Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-27 Thread Julien Danjou
On Wed, Oct 23 2013, Sean Dague wrote: > Goals - Short Term > === > As much feedback as possible from both core projects and openstack deployers > about the kinds of things that they believe we should be logging, and the > kinds of levels they think those things should land at. > > Det

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 11:46 AM, Brant Knudson wrote: > > On a previous project, I wrote a library that provided a command-line > option to set the logging levels for different loggers. This was handy > for developers and for support. An example translated to Keystone would > be like > > keystone-all --lo

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Brant Knudson
On a previous project, I wrote a library that provided a command-line option to set the logging levels for different loggers. This was handy for developers and for support. An example translated to Keystone would be like keystone-all --logging=keystone.identity=DEBUG Now the keystone.identity log

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 11:00 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > On 10/24/2013 10:05 AM, Dan Smith wrote: >>> Example 1: >>> == >>> >>> n-conductor log in tempest/devstack - >>> http://logs.openstack.org/70/52870/3/check/check-tempest-devstack-vm-full/f46b756/logs/screen-n-cond.txt.gz >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Dan Smith
> If we had DEBUG and DEBUG2 levels, where one of them would only be seen > at the higher debug level, would that be useful? I'm fine with not seeing those for devstack runs, yeah. --Dan ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Sean Dague
On 10/24/2013 10:05 AM, Dan Smith wrote: Example 1: == n-conductor log in tempest/devstack - http://logs.openstack.org/70/52870/3/check/check-tempest-devstack-vm-full/f46b756/logs/screen-n-cond.txt.gz Total log lines: 84076 Total non DEBUG lines: 61 Question: d

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Lars Kellogg-Stedman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 07:05:19AM -0700, Dan Smith wrote: > > Some of them are not useful to me (but might be to others), like the > > amqp channel lines. However, everything else has been pretty crucial at > > one point or another wh

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Lars Kellogg-Stedman
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 07:05:19AM -0700, Dan Smith wrote: > Some of them are not useful to me (but might be to others), like the > amqp channel lines. However, everything else has been pretty crucial at > one point or another when debugging issues that span between the two > tightly-coupled servic

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Dan Smith
> Example 1: > == > > n-conductor log in tempest/devstack - > http://logs.openstack.org/70/52870/3/check/check-tempest-devstack-vm-full/f46b756/logs/screen-n-cond.txt.gz > > > Total log lines: 84076 > Total non DEBUG lines: 61 > > Question: do we need more than 1 lev

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-24 Thread Joe Gordon
I think harmonizing the log files is a great idea, when working on elastic-recheck I spent a lot of time staring at log files and cursing at how bad and non-uniform they are. I can only imagine what cloud operators must think. In addition to harmonizing the log levels, and makings sure we don't h

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread Sean Dague
On 10/23/2013 03:35 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 24 October 2013 08:28, John Griffith wrote: So I touched on this a bit in my earlier post but want to reiterate here and maybe clarify a bit. I agree that cleaning up and standardizing the logs is a good thing, and particularly removing unhandle

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread David Stanek
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Robert Collins wrote: > On 24 October 2013 08:14, Dolph Mathews wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Sean Dague wrote: > > > > > Deprecation warnings! > > > > Based on the approach we're taking in the patch below, we'll be able to > > notate how immine

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread Robert Collins
On 24 October 2013 08:28, John Griffith wrote: > So I touched on this a bit in my earlier post but want to reiterate here and > maybe clarify a bit. I agree that cleaning up and standardizing the logs is > a good thing, and particularly removing unhandled exception messages would > be good. What

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread John Griffith
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Clark Boylan wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > > One of the efforts that we're working on from the QA team is tooling that > > ensures we aren't stack tracing into our test logs during normal tempest > > runs. Random stack traces are s

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread Robert Collins
On 24 October 2013 08:14, Dolph Mathews wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Sean Dague wrote: > > Deprecation warnings! > > Based on the approach we're taking in the patch below, we'll be able to > notate how imminently a feature is facing deprecation. Right now, they're > just landing i

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread Dolph Mathews
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Sean Dague wrote: > One of the efforts that we're working on from the QA team is tooling that > ensures we aren't stack tracing into our test logs during normal tempest > runs. Random stack traces are scary to cloud admins consuming OpenStack > logs, and exception

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread Clark Boylan
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > One of the efforts that we're working on from the QA team is tooling that > ensures we aren't stack tracing into our test logs during normal tempest > runs. Random stack traces are scary to cloud admins consuming OpenStack > logs, and exception

[openstack-dev] RFC - Icehouse logging harmonization

2013-10-23 Thread Sean Dague
One of the efforts that we're working on from the QA team is tooling that ensures we aren't stack tracing into our test logs during normal tempest runs. Random stack traces are scary to cloud admins consuming OpenStack logs, and exceptions in the logs should really be exceptional events (and in