Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-27 Thread Tom Fifield
On 25/07/14 06:05, Robert Collins wrote: On 25 July 2014 08:01, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I'd like us to think about whether they is anything we can do to make life easier in these kind of hard debugging scenarios where the regular logs are not sufficient. Agreed. Honestly, though we

Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-27 Thread Robert Collins
On 28 July 2014 13:11, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: If a starting point is needed, the last discussion we had around 'reasonable' defaults is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-summit-ops-reasonabledefaults Thanks Tom! I note that logging isn't in there, so either its not

Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-27 Thread Tom Fifield
On 28/07/14 09:18, Robert Collins wrote: On 28 July 2014 13:11, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: If a starting point is needed, the last discussion we had around 'reasonable' defaults is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-summit-ops-reasonabledefaults Thanks Tom! I note that

Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-27 Thread Robert Collins
On 28 July 2014 13:47, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Logging discussion is at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-summit-ops-monitoringlogging Ah, awesome. So - reading through that, I don't see any captured discussion of changing our defaults to match what folk are doing (though

Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-25 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 July 2014 10:44, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: So - I know thats brief - what we'd like to do is to poll a slightly wider set of deployers - e.g. via a spec, perhaps some help from Tom This one would be a good place for that conversation to start:

Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-25 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 July 2014 11:03, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 07/24/2014 06:44 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: So - I know thats brief - what we'd like to do is to poll a slightly wider set of deployers - e.g. via a spec, perhaps some help from Tom This one would be a good place for that conversation

[openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 July 2014 08:01, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I'd like us to think about whether they is anything we can do to make life easier in these kind of hard debugging scenarios where the regular logs are not sufficient. Agreed. Honestly, though we do also need to figure out first fail

Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-24 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 25 July 2014 08:01, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I'd like us to think about whether they is anything we can do to make life easier in these kind of hard debugging scenarios where the regular logs are not

Re: [openstack-dev] debug logs and defaults was (Thoughts on the patch test failure rate and moving forward)

2014-07-24 Thread Sean Dague
On 07/24/2014 06:44 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 25 July 2014 08:01, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I'd like us to think about whether they is anything we can do to make life easier in these kind of hard