Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Emmet Hikory
Doug Hellmann wrote: > If an epic is just a list of stories, doesn't that make it a worklist?     Worklists are one way to do epics.  In prior discussion about epics, a number of people have raised the idea that an epic contains more than just a list of stories, but also connective narrative

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2018-06-11 18:00:12 -0500: > On 6/11/2018 3:31 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > As we shift teams over to Storyboard, we have another opportunity > > to review the processes and to decide how to use the new tool. Some > > teams with lightweight processes will

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Jay S Bryant
On 6/11/2018 6:00 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: On 6/11/2018 3:31 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: As we shift teams over to Storyboard, we have another opportunity to review the processes and to decide how to use the new tool. Some teams with lightweight processes will be able to move directly with

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Tom Barron
On 12/06/18 15:25 +0200, Kendall Nelson wrote: Yes! I can definitely set Manila up in storyboard-dev. I'll get the imports done before the end of the week :) -Kendall (diablo_rojo) Thanks much! On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, 2:53 pm Tom Barron, wrote: On 12/06/18 10:57 +0200, Kendall Nelson

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Kendall Nelson
Yes! I can definitely set Manila up in storyboard-dev. I'll get the imports done before the end of the week :) -Kendall (diablo_rojo) On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, 2:53 pm Tom Barron, wrote: > On 12/06/18 10:57 +0200, Kendall Nelson wrote: > >Another option for playing around things- I am happy to do a

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Tom Barron
On 12/06/18 10:57 +0200, Kendall Nelson wrote: Another option for playing around things- I am happy to do a test migration and populate our storyboard-dev instance with your real data from lp. The last half a dozen teams we have migrated have been handled this way. Can we do this for manila?

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2018-06-11 17:55:24 -0500 (-0500), Matt Riedemann wrote: > On 6/11/2018 3:23 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > If you recall the "specs" experiment years > > ago, a few teams tried mildly different solutions for moving from LP > > blueprints with random wiki page links to tracking specifications in

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Kendall Nelson
Another option for playing around things- I am happy to do a test migration and populate our storyboard-dev instance with your real data from lp. The last half a dozen teams we have migrated have been handled this way. Playing around with StoryBoard ahead of time is a really good idea because it

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Doug Hellmann wrote: [...] The release team used to (help) manage the launchpad series data. We stopped doing that a long time ago, as Jeremy pointed out, because it was not useful to *the release team* in the way we were managing the releases. We stopped tracking blueprints and bug fixes to try

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread CARVER, PAUL
Matt Riedemann wrote: >The specs thing was mentioned last week in IRC when talking about blueprints >in launchpad and I just want to reiterate the specs are >more about high level designs and reviewing those designs in Gerrit which was >/ is a major drawback in the 'whiteboard' in launchpad

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 6/11/2018 3:31 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: As we shift teams over to Storyboard, we have another opportunity to review the processes and to decide how to use the new tool. Some teams with lightweight processes will be able to move directly with little impact. Other teams who are doing more

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 6/11/2018 3:23 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: If you recall the "specs" experiment years ago, a few teams tried mildly different solutions for moving from LP blueprints with random wiki page links to tracking specifications in Git repositories, and over time they learned successful patterns from

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2018-06-11 15:09:55 -0500 (-0500), Jay S Bryant wrote: [...] > Fair enough. It would help if we had buy-in from all of the > projects but you are right that nothing prevents us from achieving > consensus from those are are willing to participate. [...] Yes, we started out thinking that was

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from CARVER, PAUL's message of 2018-06-11 19:53:47 +: > Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > >I'm just going to come out and call bullshit on this one. How many of the > >>800 official OpenStack deliverable repos have a view like that with any > >actual relevant detail? If it's "standard"

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2018-06-11 19:53:47 + (+), CARVER, PAUL wrote: [...] > Well, that's a bit rude [...] Apologies for the strong language; I did not intend any offense, and it was indeed unnecessary for purposes of my point. > So, are you saying the information shown in the examples I gave is > not

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Jay S Bryant
On 6/11/2018 11:54 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Jay S Bryant's message of 2018-06-11 11:42:52 -0500: On 6/11/2018 11:17 AM, CARVER, PAUL wrote: Jumping into the general Storyboard topic, but distinct from the previous questions about searching, is there any equivalent in

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread CARVER, PAUL
Jeremy Stanley wrote: >I'm just going to come out and call bullshit on this one. How many of the >800 >official OpenStack deliverable repos have a view like that with any actual >relevant detail? If it's "standard" then certainly more than half, right? Well, that's a bit rude, so I'm not

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 6/11/2018 1:57 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: So... of the_minority_ of projects (from that arbitrarily-chosen but presumably "important" sample) who are actually using that feature, how many of them are simply doing it because they thought the release team was still making use of that

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
Others likely have more detailed answers to some of your other points, but as for the ones I happen to know off the top of my head... On 2018-06-11 12:39:36 -0400 (-0400), Zane Bitter wrote: [...] > * There's no help link anywhere. (This appears to be because there's nothing > to link to.) It's

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2018-06-11 17:17:23 + (+), CARVER, PAUL wrote: [...] > Perhaps none if there is a standard, but is there a standard? Can > you give me examples in Storyboard of "standard" views that > present information even vaguely similar to > https://launchpad.net/nova/+series and >

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread CARVER, PAUL
Doug Hellmann wrote: >I'm not sure what sort of project-specific documentation we think we need. Perhaps none if there is a standard, but is there a standard? Can you give me examples in Storyboard of "standard" views that present information even vaguely similar to

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Jay S Bryant's message of 2018-06-11 11:42:52 -0500: > > On 6/11/2018 11:17 AM, CARVER, PAUL wrote: > > Jumping into the general Storyboard topic, but distinct from the previous > > questions about searching, is there any equivalent in Storyboard to the > > Launchpad series and

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Jay S Bryant
On 6/11/2018 11:17 AM, CARVER, PAUL wrote: Jumping into the general Storyboard topic, but distinct from the previous questions about searching, is there any equivalent in Storyboard to the Launchpad series and milestones diagrams? e.g.: https://launchpad.net/nova/+series

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/06/18 10:23, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Dmitry Tantsur's message of 2018-06-11 16:00:41 +0200: Hi, On 06/11/2018 03:53 PM, Ruby Loo wrote: Hi, I don't want to hijack the initial thread, but am now feeling somewhat guilty about not being vocal wrt Storyboard. Yes, ironic

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread CARVER, PAUL
Jumping into the general Storyboard topic, but distinct from the previous questions about searching, is there any equivalent in Storyboard to the Launchpad series and milestones diagrams? e.g.: https://launchpad.net/nova/+series https://launchpad.net/neutron/+series

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Dmitry Tantsur's message of 2018-06-11 16:00:41 +0200: > Hi, > > On 06/11/2018 03:53 PM, Ruby Loo wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I don't want to hijack the initial thread, but am now feeling somewhat > > guilty > > about not being vocal wrt Storyboard. Yes, ironic migrated to Storyboard

Re: [openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Dmitry Tantsur
Hi, On 06/11/2018 03:53 PM, Ruby Loo wrote: Hi, I don't want to hijack the initial thread, but am now feeling somewhat guilty about not being vocal wrt Storyboard. Yes, ironic migrated to Storyboard in the beginning of this cycle. To date, I have not been pleased with replacing Launchpad

[openstack-dev] use of storyboard (was [TC] Stein Goal Selection)

2018-06-11 Thread Ruby Loo
Hi, I don't want to hijack the initial thread, but am now feeling somewhat guilty about not being vocal wrt Storyboard. Yes, ironic migrated to Storyboard in the beginning of this cycle. To date, I have not been pleased with replacing Launchpad with Storyboard. I believe that Storyboard is