Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Jay Dobies
On 12/06/2013 09:39 PM, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Thanks for the comments and questions! I fully expect that this list of requirements will need to be fleshed out, refined, and heavily modified, so the more the merrier. Comments inline: *** Requirements are assumed to be targeted for

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread mar...@redhat.com
On 09/12/13 18:01, Jay Dobies wrote: I believe we are still 'fighting' here with two approaches and I believe we need both. We can't only provide a way 'give us resources we will do a magic'. Yes this is preferred way - especially for large deployments, but we also need a fallback so that user

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][Neutron] grenade fails due to iso8601 version mismatch

2013-12-09 Thread Sean Dague
On 12/09/2013 05:16 AM, Akihiro Motoki wrote: Hi, A patch in neutronclient [1] which updates iso8601 requirement to 0.1.8 fails with grenade due to iso8601 version mismatch [2]. (It blocks the patch for a month.) The error occurs in old devstack (i.e., grizzly devstack). I I see both

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
- As an infrastructure administrator, Anna wants to be able to unallocate a node from a deployment. Why? Whats her motivation. One plausible one for me is 'a machine needs to be serviced so Anna wants to remove it from the deployment to avoid causing user visible downtime.' So

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo][neutron] Post-mortem debugging for tests?

2013-12-09 Thread Ben Nemec
On 2013-12-09 08:02, Maru Newby wrote: Are any other projects interested in adding back the post-mortem debugging support we lost in the move away from nose? I have a patch in review for neutron and salv-orlando asked whether oslo might be the better place for it.

Re: [openstack-dev] [olso] [cinder] upgrade issues in lock_path in cinder after oslo utils sync

2013-12-09 Thread Sean Dague
On 12/06/2013 05:40 PM, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-06 16:30, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2013-12-06 13:38:16 -0800: On 2013-12-06 15:14, Yuriy Taraday wrote: Hello, Sean. I get the issue with upgrade path. User doesn't want to update config unless one is

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Service scoped role definition

2013-12-09 Thread David Chadwick
Ack On 09/12/2013 15:54, Tiwari, Arvind wrote: Thanks David, Let me update the etherpad with this proposal. Arvind -Original Message- From: David Chadwick [mailto:d.w.chadw...@kent.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:44 AM To: Tiwari, Arvind; Adam Young; OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-09 Thread Herman Narkaytis
Hi All, Last couple of month Mirantis team was working on new scalable scheduler architecture. The main concept was proposed by Boris Pavlovic in the following blue print https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/no-db-scheduler and Alexey Ovchinnikov prepared a bunch of patches

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][Neutron] grenade fails due to iso8601 version mismatch

2013-12-09 Thread Akihiro Motoki
Thanks for the clarification. After I posted the mail, I found the bug [1] due to the same cause and ongoing work. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1255419 jenkins tests fails for neutron/grizzly duo to iso8601 version requirement conflict On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Sean

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Second working group meeting on language packs today

2013-12-09 Thread Clayton Coleman
Hi, We will hold our second Git Integration working group meeting on IRC in #solum on Monday, December 9, 2013 1700 UTC / 0900 PST. Agenda for today's meeting: * Administrative: * Decide whether to continue this meeting at the same time in January * Topics:

Re: [openstack-dev] [olso] [cinder] upgrade issues in lock_path in cinder after oslo utils sync

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2013-12-09 08:17:45 -0800: On 12/06/2013 05:40 PM, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-06 16:30, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2013-12-06 13:38:16 -0800: On 2013-12-06 15:14, Yuriy Taraday wrote: Hello, Sean. I get the

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread David Boucha
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 12/08/2013 07:36 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 8 December 2013 17:23, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I suggested salt because we could very easily make trove and savana into salt masters (if we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Second working group meeting on language packs today

2013-12-09 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Hi, We will hold our second Git Integration working group meeting on IRC in #solum on Monday, December 9, 2013 1700 UTC / 0900 PST. Agenda for today's meeting: * Administrative: * Decide whether to continue this meeting at the same time in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Herman Narkaytis's message of 2013-12-09 08:18:17 -0800: Hi All, Last couple of month Mirantis team was working on new scalable scheduler architecture. The main concept was proposed by Boris Pavlovic in the following blue print

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][TripleO] Nested resources

2013-12-09 Thread Keith Basil
On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: I think the security issue can be handled by not actually giving the underlying resource to the user in the first place. So, for example, if I wanted a bare metal node's worth of resource for my own containering, I'd ask for a bare metal

Re: [openstack-dev] [olso] [cinder] upgrade issues in lock_path in cinder after oslo utils sync

2013-12-09 Thread Sean Dague
On 12/09/2013 11:38 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2013-12-09 08:17:45 -0800: On 12/06/2013 05:40 PM, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-06 16:30, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2013-12-06 13:38:16 -0800: On 2013-12-06 15:14, Yuriy Taraday

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Third-party testing

2013-12-09 Thread Matt Riedemann
On Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:32:50 PM, Yoshihiro Kaneko wrote: Hi Neutron team, I'm working on building Third-party testing for Neutron Ryu plugin. I intend to use Jenkins and gerrit-trigger plugin. It is required that Third-party testing provides verify vote for all changes to a

[openstack-dev] [Mistral] Community meeting minutes and logs - 12/09/2013

2013-12-09 Thread Renat Akhmerov
Hi, Thanks for joining today’s Mistral community meeting. Here are the links to meeting minutes and log: Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-09-16.01.html Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-09-16.01.log.html

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][keystone] Keystoneclient tests to tempest

2013-12-09 Thread Brant Knudson
Responses inline. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 12/09/2013 10:12 AM, Brant Knudson wrote: Monty - Thanks for doing the work already to get the infrastructure set up. Looks like I've got the easy part here. I posted an initial patch that has one

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][keystone] Keystoneclient tests to tempest

2013-12-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-12-09 11:07:50 -0600 (-0600), Brant Knudson wrote: [...] Is testing multiple versions of keystoneclient actually worth it? If the other projects don't feel the need for this then why does Keystone? It's actually caught problems so it's proved useful to Keystone, and we're making

Re: [openstack-dev] [olso] [cinder] upgrade issues in lock_path in cinder after oslo utils sync

2013-12-09 Thread Ben Nemec
On 2013-12-09 10:55, Sean Dague wrote: On 12/09/2013 11:38 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2013-12-09 08:17:45 -0800: On 12/06/2013 05:40 PM, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-06 16:30, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2013-12-06 13:38:16 -0800:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][TripleO] Nested resources

2013-12-09 Thread Fox, Kevin M
I'm thinking more generic: The cloud provider will provide one or more suballocating images. The one Triple O uses to take a bare metal node and make vm's available would be the obvious one to make available initially. I think that one should not have a security concern since it is already

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Dake
On 12/09/2013 09:41 AM, David Boucha wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com mailto:mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 12/08/2013 07:36 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 8 December 2013 17:23, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com mailto:mord...@inaugust.com

[openstack-dev] [marconi] Team meeting agenda for tomorrow @ 1500 UTC

2013-12-09 Thread Kurt Griffiths
The Marconi project team holds a weekly meeting in #openstack-meeting-alt on Tuesdays, 1500 UTChttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=15min=0sec=0. The next meeting is Tomorrow, Dec. 10. Everyone is welcome, but please take a minute to review the wiki before attending for the

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][keystone] Keystoneclient tests to tempest

2013-12-09 Thread Brant Knudson
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2013-12-09 11:07:50 -0600 (-0600), Brant Knudson wrote: [...] Is testing multiple versions of keystoneclient actually worth it? If the other projects don't feel the need for this then why does Keystone? It's

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][TripleO] Nested resources

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2013-12-09 09:34:06 -0800: I'm thinking more generic: The cloud provider will provide one or more suballocating images. The one Triple O uses to take a bare metal node and make vm's available would be the obvious one to make available initially. I

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/12/13 06:31, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations related to nomination for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] First steps towards amqp 1.0

2013-12-09 Thread Gordon Sim
On 12/09/2013 04:10 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: From looking it appears that RabbitMQ's support is via an experimental plugin. I don't know any more about it. Has anyone looked at it in detail? I believe initial support was added in 3.1.0:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Second working group meeting on language packs today

2013-12-09 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - - Original Message - Hi, We will hold our second Git Integration working group meeting on IRC in #solum on Monday, December 9, 2013 1700 UTC / 0900 PST. Agenda for today's meeting: * Administrative: * Decide whether to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] L7 model - an alternative

2013-12-09 Thread Avishay Balderman
Sorry for the broken link Here is a better one: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/119JV_dG_odWVVKTcn51qyRh3rW-253uUqfcg9CFQDtg/pub?w=960h=720 Sent from my iPhone On 8 בדצמ 2013, at 17:31, Avishay Balderman avish...@radware.commailto:avish...@radware.com wrote: Hi I was thinking about a

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2013-12-09 09:41:06 -0800: On 12/09/2013 09:41 AM, David Boucha wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com mailto:mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 12/08/2013 07:36 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 8 December

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread Pitucha, Stanislaw Izaak
If I am correct of my parsing of the salt nomenclature, Salt provides a Master (eg a server) and minions (eg agents that connect to the salt server).  The salt server tells the minions what to do. Almost - salt can use master, but it can also use the local filesystem (or other providers of

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread Kurt Griffiths
This list of features makes me very nervous from a security standpoint. Are we talking about giving an agent an arbitrary shell command or file to install, and it goes and does that, or are we simply triggering a preconfigured action (at the time the agent itself was installed)? From: Steven

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread David Boucha
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: On 12/09/2013 09:41 AM, David Boucha wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.comwrote: On 12/08/2013 07:36 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 8 December 2013 17:23, Monty Taylor

[openstack-dev] [infra] Meeting Tuesday December 10th at 19:00 UTC

2013-12-09 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph
The OpenStack Infrastructure (Infra) team is hosting our weekly meeting tomorrow, Tuesday December 10th, at 19:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting Meeting agenda available here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting (anyone is welcome to to add agenda items) Everyone interested in

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread David Boucha
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2013-12-09 09:41:06 -0800: On 12/09/2013 09:41 AM, David Boucha wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com mailto:mord...@inaugust.com wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic][qa] How will ironic tests run in tempest?

2013-12-09 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Clark Boylan clark.boy...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:53 PM, David Kranz dkr...@redhat.com wrote: It's great that tempest tests for ironic have been submitted! I was reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48109/ and noticed that the tests

[openstack-dev] Retiring reverify no bug

2013-12-09 Thread James E. Blair
Hi, On Wednesday December 11, 2013 we will remove the ability to use reverify no bug to re-trigger gate runs for changes that have failed tests. This was previously discussed[1] on this list. There are a few key things to keep in mind: * This only applies to reverify, not recheck. That is, it

[openstack-dev] [Nova] Design proposals for blueprints to record scheduler information

2013-12-09 Thread Qiu Yu
Hi, ALL Recently I've been working on two blueprints[1][2], both involved with recording scheduling information. And would like to hear some comments for several design choices. Problem Statement -- * NoValidHost exception might masked out real failure reason to spin up an instance. Consider

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-12-09 03:31:36 -0800: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-12-09 09:52:25 -0800: On 09/12/13 06:31, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread Dmitry Mescheryakov
2013/12/9 Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2013-12-09 09:41:06 -0800: On 12/09/2013 09:41 AM, David Boucha wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com mailto:mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 12/08/2013 07:36

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][keystone] Keystoneclient tests to tempest

2013-12-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-12-09 11:50:31 -0600 (-0600), Brant Knudson wrote: [...] I don't know of any specific testing that verifies that the client works against older (stable/*) servers. Maybe it happens when you submit a change to stable/ later. When a change is submitted or approved for a stable/foo server

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] First steps towards amqp 1.0

2013-12-09 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/09/2013 12:56 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: In the case of Nova (and others that followed Nova's messaging patterns), I firmly believe that for scaling reasons, we need to move toward it becoming the norm to use peer-to-peer messaging for most things. For example, the API and conductor services

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent proposal

2013-12-09 Thread Dmitry Mescheryakov
2013/12/9 Kurt Griffiths kurt.griffi...@rackspace.com This list of features makes me *very* nervous from a security standpoint. Are we talking about giving an agent an arbitrary shell command or file to install, and it goes and does that, or are we simply triggering a preconfigured action

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/12/13 14:03, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-12-09 09:52:25 -0800: On 09/12/13 06:31, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][keystone] Keystoneclient tests to tempest

2013-12-09 Thread Adam Young
On 12/09/2013 11:07 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 12/09/2013 10:12 AM, Brant Knudson wrote: Monty - Thanks for doing the work already to get the infrastructure set up. Looks like I've got the easy part here. I posted an initial patch that has one test from keystone in

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Creating recipes for mimicking behavior of nova-networking network managers.

2013-12-09 Thread Brent Eagles
On 12/04/2013 07:56 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 05/12/13 01:14, Brent Eagles wrote: Hi, snip I think that's a great idea. What kind of format would you like to see the recepies in? Regards, Tom I think a wiki is the right way to start. It will allow us to include diagrams and access

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 10 December 2013 00:31, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Service scoped role definition

2013-12-09 Thread Adam Young
On 12/06/2013 04:44 AM, David Chadwick wrote: Another alternative is to change role name into role display name, indicating that the string is only to be used in GUIs, is not guaranteed to be unique, is set by the role creator, can be any string in any character set, and is not used by the

[openstack-dev] [climate] IRC meeting exceptionnally today 2000 UTC

2013-12-09 Thread Sylvain Bauza
As per https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings there is no meeting at 2000 UTC, so let's meet up together on #openstack-meeting in 10 mins. Thanks, -Sylvain 2013/12/9 Sergey Lukjanov slukja...@mirantis.com Time is ok for me too. @Sylvain, IMO policies could not be high prioritized when

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Service scoped role definition

2013-12-09 Thread David Chadwick
On 09/12/2013 19:37, Adam Young wrote: On 12/06/2013 04:44 AM, David Chadwick wrote: Another alternative is to change role name into role display name, indicating that the string is only to be used in GUIs, is not guaranteed to be unique, is set by the role creator, can be any string in any

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 9 December 2013 23:56, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: On 2013/07/12 01:59, Robert Collins wrote: * Creation * Manual registration * hardware specs from Ironic based on mac address (M) Ironic today will want IPMI address + MAC for each NIC + disk/cpu/memory

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Service scoped role definition

2013-12-09 Thread Adam Young
On 12/09/2013 03:04 PM, David Chadwick wrote: On 09/12/2013 19:37, Adam Young wrote: On 12/06/2013 04:44 AM, David Chadwick wrote: Another alternative is to change role name into role display name, indicating that the string is only to be used in GUIs, is not guaranteed to be unique, is set

[openstack-dev] [Climate] Minutes from today meeting

2013-12-09 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Huge thanks for our Russian peers who did exceptional efforts for joining us exceptionnally today at 2000 UTC (midnight their time), I owe you a beer :-) You can find our weekly meeting minutes on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-12-09-20.01.html Thanks, -Sylvain

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Service scoped role definition

2013-12-09 Thread Tiwari, Arvind
Hi David, I have updated the ether pad with below comments. Regards, Arvind Another alternative is to change role name into role display name, indicating that the string is only to be used in GUIs, is not guaranteed to be unique, is set by the role creator, can be any string in any

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][TripleO] Nested resources

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 6 December 2013 14:11, Fox, Kevin M kevin@pnnl.gov wrote: I think the security issue can be handled by not actually giving the underlying resource to the user in the first place. So, for example, if I wanted a bare metal node's worth of resource for my own containering, I'd ask for a

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Creating recipes for mimicking behavior of nova-networking network managers.

2013-12-09 Thread Brent Eagles
On 12/09/2013 04:05 PM, Brent Eagles wrote: On 12/04/2013 07:56 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 05/12/13 01:14, Brent Eagles wrote: Hi, snip I think that's a great idea. What kind of format would you like to see the recepies in? Regards, Tom I think a wiki is the right way to start. It

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
* created as part of undercloud install process * can create additional management nodes (F) * Resource nodes ^ nodes is again confusing layers - nodes are what things are deployed to, but they aren't the entry point Can you, please be a

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic][qa] How will ironic tests run in tempest?

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 10 December 2013 07:37, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: We can test the ironic services, database, and the driver interfaces by using our fake driver within a single devstack VM today (I'm not sure the exercises for all of this have been written yet, but it's

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Language pack attributes schema

2013-12-09 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi, As a part of Language pack workgroup session we created an etherpad for language pack attributes definition. Please find a first draft of language pack attributes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Solum-Language-pack-json-format We have identified a minimal list of attributes which

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] [Security]

2013-12-09 Thread Paul Montgomery
Thanks Clayton! I added your new content. To all: The OpenStack Security Guide is a very good resource to read - http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/content/openstack_user_guide.html Apologies for not being up to speed on how things work in OpenStack yet but here is a list of topics that I

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 10 December 2013 09:55, Tzu-Mainn Chen tzuma...@redhat.com wrote: * created as part of undercloud install process By that note I meant, that Nodes are not resources, Resource instances run on Nodes. Nodes are the generic pool of hardware we can deploy things onto. I don't think

[openstack-dev] [Ceilometer] Nomination of Sandy Walsh to core team

2013-12-09 Thread Herndon, John Luke
Hi There! I¹m not 100% sure what the process is around electing an individual to the core team (i.e., can a non-core person nominate someone?). However, I believe the ceilometer core team could use a member who is more active in the development of the event pipeline. A core developer in this area

Re: [openstack-dev] TransportURL and virtualhost/exchnage (was Re: [Oslo] Layering olso.messaging usage of config)

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Gordon, On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 18:36 +, Gordon Sim wrote: On 11/18/2013 04:44 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 11:29 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: IIRC, one of the concerns when oslo.messaging was split out was maintaining support for existing deployments with

[openstack-dev] anyone aware of networking issues with grizzly live migration of kvm instances?

2013-12-09 Thread Chris Friesen
Hi, We've got a grizzly setup using quantum networking and libvirt/kvm with VIR_MIGRATE_LIVE set. I was live-migrating an instance back and forth between a couple of compute nodes. It worked fine for maybe half a dozen migrations and then after a migration I could no longer ping it. It

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Jay Dobies
So the question is are we looking at /nodes/ that have a /current role/, or are we looking at /roles/ that have some /current nodes/. My contention is that the role is the interesting thing, and the nodes is the incidental thing. That is, as a sysadmin, my hierarchy of concerns is something

[openstack-dev] Neutron Distributed Virtual Router

2013-12-09 Thread Vasudevan, Swaminathan (PNB Roseville)
Hi Folks, We are in the process of defining the API for the Neutron Distributed Virtual Router, and we have a question. Just wanted to get the feedback from the community before we implement and post for review. We are planning to use the distributed flag for the routers that are supposed to

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Hardy
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 08:34:04AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 10 December 2013 00:31, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 10 December 2013 10:57, Jay Dobies jason.dob...@redhat.com wrote: So we have: - node - a physical general purpose machine capable of running in many roles. Some nodes may have hardware layout that is particularly useful for a given role. - role - a specific workload we want to map

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Service scoped role definition

2013-12-09 Thread David Chadwick
Hi Arvind this is still mixing up two separate concepts: naming and policy constraints. Scope is a policy constraint but in the proposal below is also part of the unique naming of the role. The fields making up both concepts need to be separate (e.g. what if 2 different roles from the same domain

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] First steps towards amqp 1.0

2013-12-09 Thread Gordon Sim
On 12/09/2013 07:15 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 12/09/2013 12:56 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: In the case of Nova (and others that followed Nova's messaging patterns), I firmly believe that for scaling reasons, we need to move toward it becoming the norm to use peer-to-peer messaging for most things.

Re: [openstack-dev] [olso] [cinder] upgrade issues in lock_path in cinder after oslo utils sync

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 11:11 -0600, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-09 10:55, Sean Dague wrote: On 12/09/2013 11:38 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2013-12-09 08:17:45 -0800: On 12/06/2013 05:40 PM, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-06 16:30, Clint Byrum wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] Retiring reverify no bug

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 10:49 -0800, James E. Blair wrote: Hi, On Wednesday December 11, 2013 we will remove the ability to use reverify no bug to re-trigger gate runs for changes that have failed tests. This was previously discussed[1] on this list. There are a few key things to keep in

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 10 December 2013 11:04, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: So it's a gross mischaracterisation to imply that a democratic process aided by some [crude] stats has been reduced to name shame, and a rather offensive one. Yes I have read your monthly core reviewer update emails[1] and I

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Questions on logging setup for development

2013-12-09 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Paul Michali p...@cisco.com wrote: Hi, For Neutron, I'm creating a module (one of several eventually) as part of a new blueprint I'm working on, and the associated unit test module. I'm in really early development, and just running this UT module as a

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Service scoped role definition

2013-12-09 Thread Tiwari, Arvind
I think that make sense, how does below data model looks? { role: { id: 76e72a, name: ---role_name---, (resource name spaced name e.g. nova.east.admin) scope: { id: ---id---, (resource_id) type: service | file | domain etc., endpoint:---endpoint---

[openstack-dev] [keystone][heat] ec2tokens, v3 credentials and request signing

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Hardy
Hi all, I have some queries about what the future of the ec2tokens API is for keystone, context as we're looking to move Heat from a horrible mixture of v2/v3 keystone to just v3, currently I'm not sure we can: - The v3/credentials API allows ec2tokens to be stored (if you create the

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Icehouse Requirements

2013-12-09 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
Thanks for the explanation! I'm going to claim that the thread revolves around two main areas of disagreement. Then I'm going to propose a way through: a) Manual Node Assignment I think that everyone is agreed that automated node assignment through nova-scheduler is by far the most ideal

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] First steps towards amqp 1.0

2013-12-09 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/09/2013 05:16 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: On 12/09/2013 07:15 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 12/09/2013 12:56 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: In the case of Nova (and others that followed Nova's messaging patterns), I firmly believe that for scaling reasons, we need to move toward it becoming the norm to

Re: [openstack-dev] Retiring reverify no bug

2013-12-09 Thread James E. Blair
Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com writes: I wonder could we make it standard practice for an infra bug to get filed whenever there's a known issue causing gate jobs to fail so that everyone can use that bug number when re-triggering? (Apologies if that's already happening) I guess we'd

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][TripleO] Nested resources

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 09:40 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 December 2013 14:11, Fox, Kevin M kevin@pnnl.gov wrote: I think the security issue can be handled by not actually giving the underlying resource to the user in the first place. So, for example, if I wanted a bare metal

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Hardy
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:25:49AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 10 December 2013 11:04, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: So it's a gross mischaracterisation to imply that a democratic process aided by some [crude] stats has been reduced to name shame, and a rather offensive one.

[openstack-dev] [Nova][Cells] compute api and objects

2013-12-09 Thread Sam Morrison
Hi, I’m trying to fix up some cells issues related to objects. Do all compute api methods take objects now? cells is still sending DB objects for most methods (except start and stop) and I know there are more than that. Eg. I know lock/unlock, shelve/unshelve take objects, I assume there are

Re: [openstack-dev] How to best make User Experience a priority in every project

2013-12-09 Thread Kurt Griffiths
I love the idea of treating usability as a first-class citizen; to do that, we definitely need a core set of people who are passionate about the topic in order to keep it alive in the OpenStack gestalt. Contributors tend to prioritize work on new, concrete features over “non-functional”

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] First steps towards amqp 1.0

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 16:05 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, As $subject mentions, I'd like to start discussing the support for AMQP 1.0[0] in oslo.messaging. We already have rabbit and qpid drivers for earlier (and different!) versions of AMQP, the proposal would be to add an

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Angus Salkeld
On 09/12/13 11:31 +, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations related to nomination for

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Questions on logging setup for development

2013-12-09 Thread Paul Michali
Thanks! That worked PCM (Paul Michali) MAIL p...@cisco.com IRCpcm_ (irc.freenode.net) TW@pmichali GPG key4525ECC253E31A83 Fingerprint 307A 96BB 1A4C D2C7 931D 8D2D 4525 ECC2 53E3 1A83 On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya

Re: [openstack-dev] [Tripleo] Core reviewer update Dec

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 6 December 2013 21:56, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: Hey there, thanks Rob for keeping eye on this. Speaking for myself, as current non-coder it was very hard to keep pace with others, especially when UI was on hold and I was designing future views. I'll continue working on

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] First steps towards amqp 1.0

2013-12-09 Thread Mike Wilson
This is the first time I've heard of the dispatch router, I'm really excited now that I've looked at it a bit. Thx Gordon and Russell for bringing this up. I'm very familiar with the scaling issues associated with any kind of brokered messaging solution. We grew an Openstack installation to about

Re: [openstack-dev] Neutron Distributed Virtual Router

2013-12-09 Thread Mike Wilson
I guess the question that immediately comes to mind is, is there anyone that doesn't want a distributed router? I guess there could be someone out there that hates the idea of traffic flowing in a balanced fashion, but can't they just run a single router then? Does there really need to be some

Re: [openstack-dev] Neutron Distributed Virtual Router

2013-12-09 Thread Ian Wells
I would imagine that, from the Neutron perspective, you get a single router whether or not it's distributed. I think that if a router is distributed - regardless of whether it's tenant-tenant or tenant-outside - it certainly *could* have some sort of SLA flag, but I don't think a simple

Re: [openstack-dev] Neutron Distributed Virtual Router

2013-12-09 Thread Yongsheng Gong
If distributed router is good enough, why do we still need non-distributed router? On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Ian Wells ijw.ubu...@cack.org.uk wrote: I would imagine that, from the Neutron perspective, you get a single router whether or not it's distributed. I think that if a router is

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][heat] ec2tokens, v3 credentials and request signing

2013-12-09 Thread Adam Young
On 12/09/2013 05:34 PM, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, I have some queries about what the future of the ec2tokens API is for keystone, context as we're looking to move Heat from a horrible mixture of v2/v3 keystone to just v3, currently I'm not sure we can: - The v3/credentials API allows

Re: [openstack-dev] Neutron Distributed Virtual Router

2013-12-09 Thread Nachi Ueno
Hi Yong NSX have two kind of router. Edge and distributed router. Edge node will work as some VPN services and advanced service nodes. Actually, VPNaaS OSS impl is running in l3-agent. so IMO, we need l3-agent also for basis of some edge services. 2013/12/9 Yongsheng Gong

[openstack-dev] OK to Use Flufl.enum

2013-12-09 Thread Adam Young
While Python 3 has enumerated types, Python 2 does not, and the standard package to provide id, Flufl.enum, is not yet part of our code base. Is there any strong objection to including Flufl.enum? http://pythonhosted.org/flufl.enum/ It makes for some very elegant code, especially for

Re: [openstack-dev] OK to Use Flufl.enum

2013-12-09 Thread Alex Gaynor
Would it make sense to use the `enum34` package, which is a backport of teh enum package from py3k? Alex On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: While Python 3 has enumerated types, Python 2 does not, and the standard package to provide id, Flufl.enum, is not yet

[openstack-dev] Scheduler sub-group agenda 12/10

2013-12-09 Thread Dugger, Donald D
1) Scheduler as a Service (review BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/forklift-scheduler-breakout ) 2) Memcached based scheduler updates 3) Instance groups -- Don Dugger Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse. - D. Gale Ph: 303/443-3786

Re: [openstack-dev] Neutron Distributed Virtual Router

2013-12-09 Thread Akihiro Motoki
Neutron defines provider attribute and it is/will be used in advanced services (LB, FW, VPN). Doesn't it fit for a distributed router case? If we can cover all services with one concept, it would be nice. According to this thread, we assumes at least two types edge and distributed. Though edge

Re: [openstack-dev] [Tripleo] Core reviewer update Dec

2013-12-09 Thread Joe Gordon
On Dec 10, 2013 2:37 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 6 December 2013 21:56, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: Hey there, thanks Rob for keeping eye on this. Speaking for myself, as current non-coder it was very hard to keep pace with others, especially

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