Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] Weekly meetings resuming + agenda

2014-08-07 Thread Doug Wiegley
Personally, I prefer IRC for general meeting stuff, with separate breakouts to voice for topics that warrant it. Doug On 8/7/14, 2:28 AM, Stephen Balukoff sbaluk...@bluebox.net wrote: Hi Brandon, I don't think we've set a specific date to make the transition to IRC meetings. Is there a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Improvements to current reviews

2014-08-09 Thread Doug Wiegley
I think you should update the current reviews (new patch set, not additional review.) Doug On Aug 9, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Brandon Logan brandon.lo...@rackspace.com wrote: So I've done some work on improving the code on the current pending reviews. And would like to get peoples' opinions

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Continuing on Calling driver interface on every API request

2014-08-11 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, Validations such as ³timeout delay² should be performed on the API level before it reaches the driver. For a configuration tree (lb, listeners, pools, etc.), there should be one provider. You¹re right, but I think the point of Vijay¹s example was to highlight the combo error problem

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Use cases with regards to VIP and routers

2014-08-11 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Susanne, While there are a few operators involved with LBaaS that would have good input, you might want to also ask this on the non-dev mailing list, for a larger sample size. Thanks, doug On 8/11/14, 3:05 AM, Susanne Balle sleipnir...@gmail.com wrote: Gang, I was asked the following

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Continuing on Calling driver interface on every API request

2014-08-11 Thread Doug Wiegley
- From: Doug Wiegley [mailto:do...@a10networks.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:55 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Continuing on Calling driver interface on every API request Hi all, Validations such as ³timeout

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Failure when trying to rebase to latest v2 patches

2014-08-17 Thread Doug Wiegley
From the looks of your error, you at least have a problem with more than one commit in your topic branch. Here¹s the process that I use. I¹m not claiming it¹s the best, but it works without rewriting Brandon¹s commits. Watch the git log at the end, and make sure the dependent hashes match

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] Minutes from 8/13/2014 meeting

2014-08-18 Thread Doug Wiegley
a) Most members in favor of keeping the webex meetings for the time being Correction: most of the people that like to talk over each other in a large voice conference voiced their approval of voice. Those that prefer to wait for pauses to speak were unsurprisingly silent, or tried and failed to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] Minutes from 8/13/2014 meeting

2014-08-18 Thread Doug Wiegley
I agree almost completely with Brandon¹s comments on the incubator. For Octavia, I think we need to not stress neutron vs incubator vs spin-out, and just focus on writing some load-balancing code. We¹ve spent far too much time in Juno working on processes, glue, and APIs, and precious little on

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] Minutes from 8/13/2014 meeting

2014-08-18 Thread Doug Wiegley
bootstrapping this project). But I did point out that asking the people who joined the video meeting whether they wanted to keep doing video meetings might simply be a form of confirmation bias. ;) Thanks, Stephen On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.com wrote: I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] IRC meetings

2014-08-21 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, We made the voice/IRC decision in the very format that favors voice. So in the interest of putting the discussion to bed, voice your opinions here in a non-voice way: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116042/ Thanks, Doug On 8/18/14, 3:06 PM, Salvatore Orlando sorla...@nicira.com

Re: [openstack-dev] unable to run unit tests

2014-08-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
That’s testr’s friendly way of telling you that you have an import error. Run it with the py26 environment and you’ll get a useful error. No, don’t ask me why. Doug On 8/23/14, 2:33 PM, Alex Leonhardt aleonhardt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, after some fighting with installing all the bits

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [third-party] collecting recheck command to re-trigger third party CI

2014-09-03 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, May I suggest putting your feedback into this review, which is on the same subject? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118623/ Thanks, doug On 9/3/14, 8:57 PM, trinath.soman...@freescale.com trinath.soman...@freescale.com wrote: This is a Good option to go with. To trigger a specific

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] Question about where to render haproxy configurations

2014-09-04 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, As the resident non-octavia-VM person, here are my two pennies. All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection” That’s all the driver layer is. 1. We will only support one driver per controller, e.g. if you upgrade a driver you deploy a new

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] VM/Container Naming Issue

2014-09-05 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Jorge, That was totally my bad. Since we had lukewarm to *no* consensus on the original list, I had a late inspiration to see if people liked the idea of using a Roman container name, given our project has a Roman name. Everyone on IRC was in favor, though that could’ve also just been

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Migrations in feature branch

2014-09-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Eugene, Just my take, but I assumed that we’d re-sequence the migrations at merge time, if needed. Feature branches aren’t meant to be optional add-on components (I think), nor are they meant to live that long. Just a place to collaborate and work on a large chunk of code until it’s ready

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Barbican Neutron LBaaS Integration Ideas

2014-06-16 Thread Doug Wiegley
nobody is calling Barbican a database. It is a place to store Š did you at least feel a heavy sense of irony as you typed those two statements? ³It¹s not a database, it just stores things!² :-) The real irony here is that in this rather firm stand of keeping the user in control of their

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Barbican Neutron LBaaS Integration Ideas

2014-06-16 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Clint, Comments below. On 6/16/14, 3:06 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Doug Wiegley's message of 2014-06-16 13:22:26 -0700: nobody is calling Barbican a database. It is a place to store Š did you at least feel a heavy sense of irony as you typed those two

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Barbican Neutron LBaaS Integration Ideas

2014-06-16 Thread Doug Wiegley
Look, I'm talking a lot and not showing up with code, so I'm squelching myself. Noted, and ditto. Thanks for the dialog. Doug On 6/16/14, 5:54 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Doug Wiegley's message of 2014-06-16 16:10:51 -0700: Hi Clint, Comments below. On

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] LBaaS Mid Cycle Sprint

2014-06-17 Thread Doug Wiegley
Meetup webex: https://a10networks.webex.com/a10networks/e.php?MTID=m3351a8eb388c2ade866bac44cc272c5b From: Susanne Balle sleipnir...@gmail.commailto:sleipnir...@gmail.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Should TLS settings for listener be set through separate API/model?

2014-06-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
Put me down for being in favor of option 1. A single attribute in a 1:1 relationship? Putting that in a new table sounds like premature optimization to me; design the database change for the future feature when you can see the spec for it. Thanks, Doug From: Stephen Balukoff

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Which entities need status

2014-06-24 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Brandon, I think just one status is overloading too much onto the LB object (which is perhaps something that a UI should do for a user, but not something an API should be doing.) 1) If an entity exists without a link to a load balancer it is purely just a database entry, so it would always

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Which entities need status

2014-06-24 Thread Doug Wiegley
...@rackspace.commailto:brandon.lo...@rackspace.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 18:53 +, Doug Wiegley wrote: Hi Brandon, I think just one status is overloading too much onto the LB object (which is perhaps something that a UI should do for a user, but not something an API should be doing

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Analyzing the critical path

2014-07-02 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Sam, Anything else? I assume you mean for Juno. Under “In addition”: * Contact current driver owners, to update to new driver interface (some things will break with the shim, e.g. when the drivers are reaching around the plugin to the neutron db.) Also let them know about the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Wednesday meeting agenda topics

2014-07-09 Thread Doug Wiegley
Have the IRC meetings been time constrained or unproductive? Having a pre-meeting before the IRC meeting risks being exclusionary to the folks that can’t make it for that timezone, and I haven’t seen that the IRC meetings are having communication/decision issues, beyond it being bloody dang

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Shim vs Agent Refactor

2014-07-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
Modified slightly, my read on the decision was: * Create a v2 agent, and make the ref haproxy driver use the v2 agent and v2 obj model. * At a lower priority, work on a shim for non-agent older drivers. This is de-coupled from the haproxy ref driver, and could happen in parallel if we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Shim vs Agent Refactor

2014-07-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
(not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Shim vs Agent Refactor New/updated v2 driver could be done without an agent (same as was possible in v1). From: Doug Wiegley [mailto:do...@a10networks.com

Re: [openstack-dev] [trove] Discussion of capabilities feature

2014-07-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
One mechanism for this for Neutron advanced services, that’s being discussed right now, is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102723/ Thanks, doug From: Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.commailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups

2014-07-16 Thread Doug Wiegley
On 7/16/14, 2:43 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-07-16 10:50:42 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 07/02/2014 01:54:49 PM: Excerpts from Qiming Teng's message of 2014-07-02 00:02:14 -0700: Just some random thoughts below

Re: [openstack-dev] FW: [Neutron][LBaaS] TLS capability - work division

2014-07-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
Do we want any driver interface changes for this? At one level, with the current interface, conforming drivers could just reference listener.sni_containers, with no changes. But, do we want something in place so that the API can return an unsupported error for non-TLS v2 drivers? Or must all v2

Re: [openstack-dev] FW: [Neutron][LBaaS] TLS capability - work division

2014-07-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
: I think if the drivers see the TERMINATED_HTTPS protocol then they can throw an exception. I don't think a driver interface change is needed. Thanks, Brandon On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 17:02 +, Doug Wiegley wrote: Do we want any driver interface changes for this? At one level

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups

2014-07-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 at 1:27 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups

2014-07-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do...@a10networks.com wrote on 07/23/2014 03:43:02 PM: From: Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do...@a10networks.com

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups

2014-07-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Mike, and listed the possible values of the status field, including INACTIVE. Other sources are telling me that status=INACTIVE when the health monitor thinks the member is unhealthy, status!=INACTIVE when the health monitor thinks the member is healthy. What's going on here? Indeed,

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups

2014-07-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
some kind of hook there to get event notifications when individual member statuses change. But this is really a discussion that needs to happen once the current code drive is near fruition (ie. for Kilo). Stephen On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] health maintenance in autoscaling groups

2014-07-24 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi mike, Awesome, thanks for chasing that down. Now I need to close the loop and figure out where that linkage is, so I don't go crazy. Thanks, Doug On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Mike Spreitzer mspre...@us.ibm.commailto:mspre...@us.ibm.com wrote: Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Status and Expectations for Juno

2014-07-28 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Brandon, Thanks for bringing this up. If you¹re going to call me out by name, I guess I have to respond to the Horizon thing. Yes, I don¹t like it, from a user perspective. We promise a bunch of new features, new driversŠ and none of them are visible. Or the horizon support does land, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Status and Expectations for Juno

2014-07-28 Thread Doug Wiegley
and I don't think anyone expected it to be a full-fledged product by Juno, but we are getting closer! Cheers, --Jorge On 7/28/14 8:02 AM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.com wrote: Hi Brandon, Thanks for bringing this up. If you¹re going to call me out by name, I guess I have to respond

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Managing change in gerrit which depends on multiple other changes in review

2014-07-29 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Evgeny, I’m not sure I’m doing it in the most efficient way, so I’d love to hear pointers, but what I’ve been doing: First, to setup the dependent commit, the command is “git review –d”. I’ve been using this guide: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Advanced_usage#Create_a_dependency

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Status and Expectations for Juno

2014-07-29 Thread Doug Wiegley
that many users will be able to use. Also, to get people's opinions on what they think is high priority. On Mon, 2014-07-28 at 18:11 +, Doug Wiegley wrote: I don’t think the lbaas roadmap has changed (including octavia), just the delivery timeline. Nor am I debating making the ref driver

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Cross-server locking for neutron server

2014-07-30 Thread Doug Wiegley
I'd have to look at the Neutron code, but I suspect that a simple strategy of issuing the UPDATE SQL statement with a WHERE condition that I¹m assuming the locking is for serializing code, whereas for what you describe above, is there some reason we wouldn¹t just use a transaction? Thanks,

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] A request for sub-projects to post meeting summary emails to the ML

2014-07-30 Thread Doug Wiegley
Can we just have meeting-bot post the minutes, if we want a summary of each meeting? Or perhaps send that to a different DL, so it doesn¹t hit -dev? Doug On 7/30/14, 2:13 PM, Ryan Moats rmo...@us.ibm.com wrote: I had occasion to walk through all of the archives of the openstack-dev mailing

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Weekly IRC Agenda

2014-07-30 Thread Doug Wiegley
Additions: - Change to move handling of ACTIVE/ERROR/DEFERRED and db deletes out of drivers. - Don¹t let gerrit overwrite dependent commits. Thanks, Doug On 7/30/14, 3:30 PM, Jorge Miramontes jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote: Hey LBaaS folks, This is you friendly reminder to provide any

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Creating database model and agent

2014-08-01 Thread Doug Wiegley
If it helps as a reference, these three reviews by Brandon Logan are adding exactly what you're talking about for the new LBaaS api. Models, migration, extension, plugin, unit tests: * New extension for version 2 of LBaaS API - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105331 * Plugin/DB additions for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Weekly IRC Agenda

2014-08-06 Thread Doug Wiegley
You should be able to, if logged into launchpad. I edited it for you. Doug On 8/6/14, 6:07 PM, Vijay Venkatachalam vijay.venkatacha...@citrix.com wrote: I couldn't edit the wiki. Want to add 2 items 1. Separating deployment and operational status. 2. Can driver interface be called for every

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Unanswered questions in object model refactor blueprint

2014-05-27 Thread Doug Wiegley
Thanks, Brandon. My opinion, reproduced from an IRC conversation that we had earlier today: I don't have a strong objection, just an implementation shudder. Of the two backends that I'm familiar with, they support 1:N, not N:N So, we fake it by duping listeners on the fly. But, consider the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Unanswered questions in object model refactor blueprint

2014-05-27 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Stephen, Doug: What do you think of the idea of having both IPv4 and IPv6 attributes on a 'load balancer' object? One doesn't need to have a single appliance serving both types of addresses for the listener, but there's certainly a chance (albeit small) to hit an async scenario if

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Barbican Neutron LBaaS Integration Ideas

2014-06-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
on a Barbican delete isn't really an option, so this is the best fallback I can think of. --Adam https://keybase.io/rm_you From: Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do...@a10networks.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Barbican Neutron LBaaS Integration Ideas

2014-06-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
to include a policy enforcement engine). The shadow-copy strategy is the best alternative I can think of given the current project/political landscape. :( --Adam https://keybase.io/rm_you From: Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do...@a10networks.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Barbican Neutron LBaaS Integration Ideas

2014-06-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
From: Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do...@a10networks.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:10 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] TLS support RST document on Gerrit

2014-06-11 Thread Doug Wiegley
There are other fundamental things about secrets, like relying on their presence, and not encouraging a proliferation of a dozen mini-secret-stores everywhere to get around that fact, which makes it less secret. Have you considered a ³force² delete flag, required if some service is using the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS][Octavia] Octavia's API becoming spun out LBaaS

2014-10-26 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, Before we get into the details of which API goes where, I’d like to see us answer the questions of: 1. Are we spinning out? 2. When? 3. With or without the rest of advanced services? 4. Do we want to wait until we (the royal “we” of “the Neutron team”) have had the Paris summit

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS][Octavia] Octavia's API becoming spun out LBaaS

2014-10-26 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Sun, 2014-10-26 at 23:15 +, Doug Wiegley wrote: Hi all, Before we get into the details of which API goes where, I’d like to see us answer the questions of: 1. Are we spinning out? 2. When? 3. With or without the rest of advanced services? 4. Do we want to wait until we (the royal

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS][Octavia] Octavia's API becoming spun out LBaaS

2014-10-27 Thread Doug Wiegley
the proposed Octavia API specification or documentation? I'd love it if the API WG could be involved in reviewing the public REST API. Best, -jay On 10/27/2014 10:01 AM, Kyle Mestery wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.com wrote: Hi Brandon, 4. I brought this up now so

[openstack-dev] [all] new meeting channel

2014-10-31 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, In trying to find some alternate times for the Neutron LBaaS meeting, all of the slots that fall roughly in business-ish hours for the US/Europe are jam packed (at least on the days that aren’t risking long weekends.) I’d like to propose adding #openstack-meeting-4 to alleviate this.

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] rescheduling meeting

2014-11-03 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi LBaaS (and others), We’ve been talking about possibly re-schedulng the LBaaS meeting to a time to is less crazy early for those in the US. Alternately, we could also start alternating times. For now, let’s see if we can find a slot that works every week. Please respond with any time slots

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] social event

2014-11-06 Thread Doug Wiegley
I will be there. doug On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Armando M. arma...@gmail.commailto:arma...@gmail.com wrote: I have just realized that I should have cross-reference this mail on both ML's. Same message for the dev mailing list. Thanks, Armando On 6 November 2014 00:32, Armando M.

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] meeting day/time change

2014-11-07 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, Neutron LBaaS meetings are now going to be Tuesdays at 16:00 UTC. Safe travels. Thanks, Doug ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] meeting day/time change

2014-11-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
#openstack-meeting-4 On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Evgeny Fedoruk evge...@radware.com wrote: Thanks, Evg -Original Message- From: Doug Wiegley [mailto:do...@a10networks.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:04 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: [openstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Reminder: No meeting this week

2014-11-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
Congratulations!! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote: Since most folks are either freshly back from traveling, in the midst of returning, or perhaps even with a new baby, we'll be skipping this week's meeting. We'll resume next week at

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] L2 gateway as a service

2014-11-17 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Mathieu Rohon mathieu.ro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Armando M. arma...@gmail.com wrote: Last Friday I recall we had two discussions around this topic. One in the morning, which I think led to Maruti to push [1]. The way I

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] L2 gateway as a service

2014-11-17 Thread Doug Wiegley
, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.commailto:do...@a10networks.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Mathieu Rohon mathieu.ro...@gmail.commailto:mathieu.ro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Armando M. arma...@gmail.commailto:arma...@gmail.com wrote: Last Friday I recall

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][neutron] Proposal to split Neutron into separate repositories

2014-11-18 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi, so the specs repository would continue to be shared during the Kilo cycle. One of the reasons to split is that these two teams have different priorities and velocities. Wouldn’t that be easier to track/manage as separate launchpad projects and specs repos, irrespective of who is

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][neutron] Proposal to split Neutron into separate repositories

2014-11-20 Thread Doug Wiegley
On 11/19/14, 5:02 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.com wrote: Hi, so the specs repository would continue to be shared during the Kilo cycle. One of the reasons to split is that these two teams have different

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] lbaas v2 drivers/specs

2014-12-04 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi lbaas, Just a reminder that the spec submission deadline is Dec 8th (this Monday.) If you are working on lbaas v2 features or drivers, and had a spec in Juno, it must be re-submitted for Kilo. LBaaS v2 specs that are currently submitted for Kilo: LBaaS V2 API and object model definition -

[openstack-dev] [neutron] services split starting today

2014-12-08 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, The neutron advanced services split is starting today at 9am PDT, as described here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136835/ .. The remove change from neutron can be seen here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139901/ .. While the new repos are being sorted out, advanced services

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] services split starting today

2014-12-08 Thread Doug Wiegley
To all neutron cores, Please do not approve any gerrit reviews for advanced services code for the next few days. We will post again when those reviews can resume. Thanks, Doug On 12/8/14, 8:49 AM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.com wrote: Hi all, The neutron advanced services split

[openstack-dev] [neutron][third-party] failing CIs

2014-12-09 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, Most of the Neutron third-party Cis are failing at the moment, and it’s because of the ongoing services split. The patch to get devstack working again will likely merge tomorrow. We will send another ML message when the split is “finished”. Thanks, Doug

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Services are now split out and neutron is open for commits!

2014-12-10 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, I’d like to echo the thanks to all involved, and thanks for the patience during this period of transition. And a logistical note: if you have any outstanding reviews against the now missing files/directories (db/{loadbalancer,firewall,vpn}, services/, or tests/unit/services), you must

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Services are now split out and neutron is open for commits!

2014-12-12 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, Neutron grenade jobs have been failing since late afternoon Thursday, due to split fallout. Armando has a fix, and it’s working it’s way through the gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141256/ Get your rechecks ready! Thanks, Doug From: Douglas Wiegley

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Canceling lbaas meeting 12/16

2014-12-14 Thread Doug Wiegley
Unless someone has an urgent agenda item, and due to the mid-cycle for Octavia, which has a bunch of overlap with the lbaas team, let’s cancel this week. If you have post-split lbaas v2 questions, please find me in #openstack-lbaas. The only announcement was going to be: If you are waiting to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo][neutron] Managing oslo-incubator modules after project split

2014-12-15 Thread Doug Wiegley
to incompatibility between neutron main and neutron-*aas code resulted EXACTLY because multiple parts of the same process use different versions of the same module. That said, Doug Wiegley (lbaas core) seems to be in favour of option 3. due to lower coupling that is achieved in that way. I know that lbaas team

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas][fwaas][oslo] Common code between VMWare neutron plugin and services plugins

2014-12-15 Thread Doug Wiegley
On 12/15/14, 8:20 AM, Kobi Samoray ksamo...@vmware.com wrote: Hi, Some files in neutron are common infrastructure to the VMWare neutron L2/L3 plugin, and the services plugins. These files wrap VMWare NSX and provide a python API to some NSX services. This code is common to: - VMWare L2/L3

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo][neutron] Managing oslo-incubator modules after project split

2014-12-15 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, Ihar and I discussed this on IRC, and are going forward with option 2 unless someone has a big problem with it. Thanks, Doug On 12/15/14, 8:22 AM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.com wrote: Hi Ihar, I’m actually in favor of option 2, but it implies a few things about your time, and I

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Querries Regarding Blueprint for LBaaS API and Object Model improvement

2014-12-16 Thread Doug Wiegley
Adding tags for [neutron][lbaas] Juno lbaas (v1) has pool as the root model, with VIP. Kilo lbaas (v2), you are correct, vip is splitting into loadbalancer and listener, and loadbalancer is the root object. And yes, the new objects get new URIs. Both v1 and v2 plugins will be available in

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] meetings during holidays

2014-12-19 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, Anyone have big agenda items for the 12/23 or 12/30 meeting? If not, I’d suggest we cancel those two meetings, and bring up anything small during the on-demand portion of the neutron meetings. If I don’t hear anything by Monday, we will cancel those two meetings. Thanks, Doug

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] meetings during holidays

2014-12-22 Thread Doug Wiegley
Canceled. The next lbaas meeting will be 1/6. Happy holidays. Thanks, doug On 12/19/14, 11:33 AM, Doug Wiegley do...@a10networks.com wrote: Hi all, Anyone have big agenda items for the 12/23 or 12/30 meeting? If not, I’d suggest we cancel those two meetings, and bring up anything small during

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Trying to set up LBaaS V2 on Juno with DVR

2015-01-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
Get ready to vomit. The lbaasv2 code you’re pulling is a non-agent driver. Meaning, it runs haproxy on the *neutron controller* node, and only the controller node. It’s meant to be a POC for single node systems, not something you can deploy. In the upcoming mid-cycle, the driver will be

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Can entity calls be made to driver when entities get associated/disassociated with root entity?

2015-02-04 Thread Doug Wiegley
. Is that right? Thanks, Vijay V. From: Doug Wiegley [mailto:doug...@parksidesoftware.com mailto:doug...@parksidesoftware.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:03 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Can

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Can entity calls be made to driver when entities get associated/disassociated with root entity?

2015-02-03 Thread Doug Wiegley
I’d recommend taking a look at Brandon’s review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144834/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144834/ which aims to simplify exactly what you’re describing. Please leave feedback there. Thanks, doug On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Vijay Venkatachalam

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Can entity calls be made to driver when entities get associated/disassociated with root entity?

2015-02-03 Thread Doug Wiegley
I’d recommend taking a look at Brandon’s review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144834/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144834/ which aims to simplify exactly what you’re describing. Please leave feedback there. Thanks, doug On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Vijay Venkatachalam

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Can entity calls be made to driver when entities get associated/disassociated with root entity?

2015-02-03 Thread Doug Wiegley
I’d recommend taking a look at Brandon’s review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144834/ which aims to simplify exactly what you’re describing. Please leave feedback there. Thanks, doug On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Vijay Venkatachalam vijay.venkatacha...@citrix.com wrote: Hi: In

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Next week's meeting is cancelled (and some other notes)

2015-01-16 Thread Doug Wiegley
It’s not pretty, but if the topic has been set correctly, this finds everything open with a Kilo-2 blueprint:

Re: [openstack-dev] Use of egg snapshots of neutron code in neutron-*aas projects/distributing openstack

2015-02-17 Thread Doug Wiegley
There's no need for additional neutron packaging. The real trick is that the neutron-*aas packages need to have a package dependency of neutron, and whichever release of openstack they're all cut with, they just have to match. Put another way, use your existing neutron package from the same

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas]Topics and possible fomats for LBaaS in OpenStack/Vancouver

2015-02-19 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, I requested a session for future lbaas features and prioritizing (and attaching contributors to those features.) Assuming that happens, I started an etherpad here, starting with Sam’s info: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-vancouver-planning

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] meeting canceled next week (2/3)

2015-01-27 Thread Doug Wiegley
Since most of us will be at the lbaas mid-cycle, next week’s meeting is canceled. Thanks, Doug __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] FWaaS - question about drivers

2015-02-20 Thread Doug Wiegley
Same project, shiny new repo. doug On Feb 20, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Sławek Kapłoński sla...@kaplonski.pl wrote: Hello, Thx for tips. I have one more question. You point me fo neutron-fwaas project which for me looks like different project then neutron. I saw fwaas service plugin directly

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] canceling meeting

2015-03-19 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi lbaas'ers, Now that lbaasv2 has shipped, the need for a regular weekly meeting is greatly reduced. I propose that we cancel the regular meeting, and discuss neutron-y things during the neutron on-demand agenda, and octavia things in the already existing octavia meetings. Any

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-20 Thread Doug Wiegley
Tempest tests fail when not using namespaces, so I'm not sure how well we're even testing that codepath anymore. doug On Mar 20, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Brian Haley brian.ha...@hp.com wrote: On 03/20/2015 02:57 PM, Assaf Muller wrote: Hello everyone, The use_namespaces option in the L3 and

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [third-party-ci] Clarifications on the goal and skipping tests

2015-03-30 Thread Doug Wiegley
A few reasons, I’m sure there are others: - Broken tests that hardcode something about the ref implementation. The test needs to be fixed, of course, but in the meantime, a constantly failing CI is worthless (hello, lbaas scenario test.) - Test relies on some “optional” feature, like

Re: [openstack-dev] The Evolution of core developer to maintainer?

2015-03-31 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Mar 31, 2015, at 6:24 PM, John Griffith john.griffi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: I am starting this thread based on Thierry's feedback on [0]. Instead of writing the same thing twice, you

Re: [openstack-dev] The Evolution of core developer to maintainer?

2015-04-01 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Apr 1, 2015, at 3:52 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.com mailto:dtro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com

Re: [openstack-dev] auto-abandon changesets considered harmful (was Re: [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics])

2015-03-02 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:13 PM, James E. Blair cor...@inaugust.com wrote: Stefano branched this thread from an older one to talk about auto-abandon. In the previous thread, I believe I explained my concerns, but since the topic split, perhaps it would be good to summarize why this is an

Re: [openstack-dev] auto-abandon changesets considered harmful (was Re: [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics])

2015-03-02 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:44 AM, James E. Blair cor...@inaugust.com wrote: Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com writes: Why do you say auto-abandon is the wrong tool? I've no problem with the 1 week warning if somebody wants to implement it - I can see the value. A change-set that has been

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Proposal to add Ihar Hrachyshka as a Neutron Core Reviewer

2015-03-04 Thread Doug Wiegley
+1 On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote: I'd like to propose that we add Ihar Hrachyshka to the Neutron core reviewer team. Ihar has been doing a great job reviewing in Neutron as evidence by his stats [1]. Ihar is the Oslo liaison for Neutron, he's been

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron extenstions

2015-03-19 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Gary, First I’m seeing these, but I don’t see that they’re required on input, unless I’m mis-reading those reviews. Additional of new output fields to a json object, or adding optional inputs, is not generally considered to be backwards incompatible behavior in an API. Does OpenStack have

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] Invalid import in tempest v2 api tests

2015-03-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi Vijay, That works because we pin the version of tempest that we run against, via tox. If you're using devstack-gate in your CI, note the two hooks found here: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/blob/master/neutron_lbaas/tests/contrib/ If not, you need to mimic the behavior of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] canceling meeting

2015-03-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Doug Wiegley doug...@parksidesoftware.com wrote: Hi lbaas'ers, Now that lbaasv2 has shipped, the need for a regular weekly meeting is greatly reduced. I propose that we cancel the regular meeting, and discuss neutron-y

[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] adding lbaas core

2015-04-13 Thread Doug Wiegley
Hi all, I'd like to nominate Philip Toohill as a neutron-lbaas core. Good guy, did a bunch of work on the ref impl for lbaasv2, and and I'll let the numbers[1] speak for themselves. Existing lbaas cores, please vote. All three of us. :-) [1]

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas][barbican] default certificate manager

2015-04-13 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Apr 13, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Brandon Logan brandon.lo...@rackspace.com wrote: I'm of the opinion, which may not be the popular opinion, that barbican is the secret store for openstack. It is in openstack, it is meant to be used by other openstack services. v1 lives in the same code

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] A big tent home for Neutron backend code

2015-04-23 Thread Doug Wiegley
On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/23/2015 01:19 PM, Armando M. wrote: On 23 April 2015 at 09:58, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/23/2015 12:14 PM, Armando M. wrote: On 23 April 2015 at 07:32,

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