Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Gertty 1.0.0: A console interface to Gerrit

2014-09-04 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/04/2014 04:17 PM, James E. Blair wrote: Announcing Gertty 1.0.0 Gertty is a console-based interface to the Gerrit Code Review system. If that doesn't sound interesting to you, then just skip right on to the next message. This mailing list gets a lot of traffic, and it's going to take

Re: [openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/05/2014 06:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: While reviewing this zookeeper service group fix in Nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102639/ it was exposed that the zookeeper tests aren't running in infra. The crux of the issue is that zookeeper python modules are C extensions. So you have to

[openstack-dev] [nova][neutron] default allow security group

2014-09-05 Thread Monty Taylor
Hi! I've decided that as I have problems with OpenStack while using it in the service of Infra, I'm going to just start spamming the list. Please make something like this: neutron security-group-create default --allow-every-damn-thing Right now, to make security groups get the hell out of

[openstack-dev] Mirror changes

2014-09-05 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! A few of quick notes about PyPI mirrors and the gate. Firstly - today we just rolled out per-cloud-region mirrors. Hopefully this eliminate issues we have from time to time with connections to PyPI timing out. We have a selector script running on node creation, so nodes in, say,

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/03/2014 08:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To that

Re: [openstack-dev] Standard virtualenv for docs building

2014-09-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/08/2014 11:59 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to get some feedback on a change that I think will make the docs building process more understood, Currently there is a script @

Re: [openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/05/2014 07:21 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/05/2014 06:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: While reviewing this zookeeper service group fix in Nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102639/ it was exposed that the zookeeper tests aren't running in infra. The crux of the issue is that zookeeper

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Puppet elements support

2014-09-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/08/2014 04:11 PM, Emilien Macchi wrote: Hi TripleO community, I would be really interested by helping to bring Puppet elements support in TripleO. So far I've seen this work: https://github.com/agroup/tripleo-puppet-elements/tree/puppet_dev_heat which is a very good bootstrap but really

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with some comments hoping that it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/09/2014 07:04 PM, Samuel Merritt wrote: On 9/9/14, 4:47 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that actually

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/10/2014 10:29 AM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 09/05/2014 12:36 PM, Tim Bell wrote: How can the average deployer know whether a stackforge is a. An early prototype which has completed (such as some of the early LBaaS packages) b. A project which has lost its initial steam and

Re: [openstack-dev] Log Rationalization -- Bring it on!

2014-09-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 04:42 PM, Rochelle.RochelleGrober wrote: TL;DR: I consider the poor state of log consistency a major impediment for more widespread adoption of OpenStack and would like to volunteer to own this cross-functional process to begin to unify and standardize logging messages and

Re: [openstack-dev] pbr alpha and dev version handling

2014-09-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 03:09 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Earlier today we discovered a problem with the way pbr is generating dev version numbers for commits following tags using alpha pre-version suffixes [1]. Basically what’s happening is a commit following a tag like 1.3.0.0a3 is coming out as a

[openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-18 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Enjoy. Monty ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] Log Rationalization -- Bring it on!

2014-09-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 08:48 PM, John Dickinson wrote: On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:43 PM, Jay Faulkner j...@jvf.cc wrote: Comments inline. -Original Message- From: Monty Taylor [mailto:mord...@inaugust.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:34 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 10:44 AM, Day, Phil wrote: -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 September 2014 19:37 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters Had to laugh about the PILE OF POO

[openstack-dev] usability anti-pattern

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey, Not to name names, but some of our client libs do this: client.Client(API_VERSION, os_username, ... ) I'm pretty sure they got the idea from python-glanceclient, so I blame Brian Waldon, since he left us for CoreOS. PLEASE STOP DOING THIS - IT CAUSES BABIES TO CRY. MORE. As a

[openstack-dev] usability anti-pattern, part 2

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
except exc.Unauthorized: raise exc.CommandError(Invalid OpenStack credentials.) except exc.AuthorizationFailure: raise exc.CommandError(Unable to authorize user) This is pervasive enough that both of those exceptions come from openstack.common. Anyone?

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 03:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Hey Monty, As you can imagine, I read

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 10:14 AM, John Dickinson wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 10:50 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:14 AM, John Dickinson m...@not.mn wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda

Re: [openstack-dev] usability anti-pattern, part 2

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
NO when necessary for the sake of the entire project. Jeez, now I'm sounding all enterprisey. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: except exc.Unauthorized: raise exc.CommandError(Invalid OpenStack credentials.) except

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Zaqar] Integration plan moving forward

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 03:42 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 19/09/14 14:34, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-19 02:37:08 -0700: On 09/18/2014 11:51 AM, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 18/09/2014 7:11 PM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com mailto:fla...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] In defence of faking

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/22/2014 08:58 AM, Matthew Booth wrote: If you missed the inaugural OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour, it's here: http://youtu.be/jCWtLoSEfmw . I think this is a fantastic idea and big thanks to Sean, Jay and Dan for doing this. I liked the format, the informal style and the content.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/21/2014 10:57 PM, Nader Lahouti wrote: Thanks Kevin for bring it up in the ML, I was looking for a guideline or any document to clarify issues on this subject. I was told, even using keystone API in neutron is not permitted. I recognize that I'm potentially without context for neutron

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/22/2014 10:58 AM, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 10:32 -0700, Armando M. wrote: What about: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/test-requirements.txt#L12 Pulling in ordereddict doesn't do anything if your code doesn't use it when OrderedDict isn't in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Nominations to Horizon Core

2013-12-11 Thread Monty Taylor
On 12/11/2013 03:51 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 12/10/2013 05:57 PM, Paul McMillan wrote: +1 on Tatiana Mazur, she's been doing a bunch of good work lately. I'm fine with me being removed from core provided you have someone else qualified to address security issues as they come up. My

Re: [openstack-dev] Stackalytics 0.4 released!

2013-12-12 Thread Monty Taylor
On 12/12/2013 04:49 PM, Ilya Shakhat wrote: Hello everyone! Stackalytics team is happy to announce the release of version 0.4. This release is completely dedicated to different types of reports. We added highly demanded top reviewers chart acknowledged as an essential tool for finding

[openstack-dev] MySQLdb situation with the gate

2014-01-02 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! This morning, we experienced our first systemic breakage of the gate of 2014! There are a few reasons for this, which are related to pip and virtualenv making new releases. The new releases do WONDERFUL things and are more secure, but unfortunately, we've hit a few pain points which we

Re: [openstack-dev] MySQLdb situation with the gate

2014-01-02 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/02/2014 12:48 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all! This morning, we experienced our first systemic breakage of the gate of 2014! There are a few reasons for this, which are related to pip and virtualenv making new releases. The new releases do WONDERFUL things and are more secure

Re: [openstack-dev] [horizon] Javascript checkstyle improvement

2014-01-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/03/2014 03:10 AM, Maxime Vidori wrote: Someone said Grunt? Actually - funny story - we're currently working through some use of grunt and friends for storyboard, and as a result of that I've been learning about how it all hangs together. From what I can tell, I think the path to directly

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] javascript templating library choice for status pages

2014-01-12 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/11/2014 09:56 AM, Sean Dague wrote: As someone that's done a decent amount of hacking on status.html/status.js, I think we're getting to a level of complexity on our JS status pages that we should probably stop doing this all inline (probably should have stopped a while ago). I'd like to

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] javascript templating library choice for status pages

2014-01-13 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/13/2014 05:05 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 01/12/2014 09:56 PM, Michael Krotscheck wrote: If all you're looking for is a javascript-based in-browser templating system, then handlebars is a fine choice. I'm not certain on how complex status.html/status.js is, however if you expect it to grow

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Let's move to Alembic

2014-01-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/15/2014 07:59 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: Hi all, Some months back, there was discussion to move Ironic to use Alembic instead of SqlAlchemy. At that time, I was much more interested in getting the framework together than I was in restructuring our database migrations, and what we

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] [devstack-gate] Nominating Sean Dague for devstack-gate-core

2014-01-21 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/03/2014 09:46 AM, James E. Blair wrote: Occasionally it becomes clear that a part of the project infrastructure has its own community interested in it. Such is the case with devstack-gate, which is the nexus of infra and openstack. Not only does it interact with infrastructure systems

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Proposed changes to solum-core

2014-01-27 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/24/2014 05:32 PM, Adrian Otto wrote: Solum Core Reviewers, I propose the following changes to solum-core: +asalkeld +noorul -mordred Thanks very much to mordred for helping me to bootstrap the reviewer team. Please reply with your votes. +1 My pleasure - you guys seem like you're

Re: [openstack-dev] Supporting WebOb 1.3

2014-02-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/03/2014 11:45 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Hi, Sorry if this has been already discussed (traffic is high in this list). I've just checked, and our global-requirements.txt still has: WebOb=1.2.3,1.3 Problem: both Sid and Trusty have version 1.3. What package is holding the newer version of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] massive number of new errors in logs with oslo.messaging

2014-02-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/02/2014 08:33 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On Sun, 2014-02-02 at 07:13 -0500, Sean Dague wrote: Just noticed this at the end of a successful run: http://logs.openstack.org/15/63215/13/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/2636cae/console.html#_2014-02-02_12_02_44_422 It looks like the merge of

Re: [openstack-dev] Hyper-V Nova CI Infrastructure

2014-02-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/29/2014 11:10 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: On Monday, January 27, 2014 7:17:27 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: On 25 Jan 2014, at 16:51 , Matt Riedemann mrie...@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote: On 1/24/2014 3:41 PM, Peter Pouliot wrote: Hello OpenStack Community, I am excited at this

Re: [openstack-dev] [Governance] Integrated projects and new requirements

2014-02-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/05/2014 10:38 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 02/06/2014 06:31 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 02/05/2014 02:31 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, In the TC we have been going through

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-02-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/27/2014 11:02 AM, Day, Phil wrote: -Original Message- From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: 24 January 2014 21:09 To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service Excerpts from Justin Santa

[openstack-dev] universal wheel support

2014-02-08 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! There are a bunch of patches adding: [wheel] universal = 1 to setup.cfg: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:wheel-publish,n,z I wanted to follow up on what the deal is with them, and what I think we should do about them. universal means that a wheel can be made

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra] [Tripleo][CI] check-tripleo outage

2014-02-25 Thread Monty Taylor
I'd like to say I think this is excellent. Not that things broke ... But that a) we're consuming from infra but not dying and b) we're producing a vector of feedback on OpenStack that we did not have as a community before. On Feb 25, 2014 1:08 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote:

[openstack-dev] Update on new project creation

2014-02-25 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! You may or may not have noticed that there's been a backlog with new project creation in infra. There are some specific issues with our automation that are causing this, and we've got a plan in place to fix them. Until we do, which is targeted to be done by the end of March, we're

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Future of the Nova API

2014-02-27 Thread Monty Taylor
Sorry for the top post. I was asked to look at this thread and toss in my €0.02 but I do not believe I could possibly read this whole thread - I'm too jet lagged. So... As a current large-scale production consumer of the API, I don't care at all as long as python-novaclient keeps working at

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community awareness. We all know

Re: [openstack-dev] Travis yaml file on Horizon

2014-03-12 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/12/2014 05:00 AM, Adam Nelson wrote: I see that horizon doesn't use Travis CI Is that a political decision? No. It's a technical one. I'm not sure if you know, but OpenStack runs a pretty massive and amazing CI system. If not, would there be resistance to adding a minimal

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra] Intermittent failures cloning noVNC from github.com/kanaka

2014-03-13 Thread Monty Taylor
I agree. Solly - in addition to potentially 'adopting' noVNC - or as a parallel train of thought ... As we started working on storyboard in infra, we've started using the bower tool for html/javascript packaging - and we have some ability to cache the output of that pretty easily. Would you

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra] Intermittent failures cloning noVNC from github.com/kanaka

2014-03-13 Thread Monty Taylor
Will do! On Mar 13, 2014 10:13 AM, Solly Ross sr...@redhat.com wrote: @Monty: having a packaging system sounds like a good idea.  Send us a pull request on github.com/kanaka/noVNC. Best Regards, Solly Ross - Original Message - From: Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com

Re: [openstack-dev] Automatic version creation in PBR

2014-03-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/18/2014 04:25 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Robert Collins wrote: If you set 'version' in setup.cfg, pbr's behaviour will not change at all. If you do not set 'version' in setup.cfg then: - for tagged commits, pbr's behaviour will not change at all. - for untagged commits, pbr will

Re: [openstack-dev] [legal-discuss] [Marconi] Why is marconi a queue implementation vs a provisioning API?

2014-03-19 Thread Monty Taylor
Ianal, but I know there are some lawyers out there who are concerned that the mechanism of attachment is vague. If there is an issue (I'm not saying there is) I don't think mongodb's view is relevant, as they are quite likely to be bought by someone, say Oracle, who might not share and would

Re: [openstack-dev] [legal-discuss] [Marconi] Why is marconi a queue implementation vs a provisioning API?

2014-03-20 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/20/2014 01:30 AM, Radcliffe, Mark wrote: The problem with AGPL is that the scope is very uncertain and the determination of the consequences are very fact intensive. I was the chair of the User Committee in developing the GPLv3 and I am therefor quite familiar with the legal issues. The

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][rootwrap] Performance considerations, sudo?

2014-03-20 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/20/2014 05:31 AM, Miguel Angel Ajo wrote: On 03/19/2014 10:54 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Angel Ajo majop...@redhat.com mailto:majop...@redhat.com wrote: An advance on the changes that it's requiring to have a py-c++ compiled rootwrap as a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Marconi][TC] Withdraw graduation request

2014-03-21 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/20/2014 07:40 PM, Kurt Griffiths wrote: I'd also like to thank the team and the overall community. The team for its hard work during the last cycle and the community for being there and providing such important feedback in this process. +1, thanks again everyone for participating in the

Re: [openstack-dev] Spec repos for blueprint development and review

2014-03-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/24/2014 10:07 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 03/24/2014 12:34 PM, James E. Blair wrote: Hi, So recently we started this experiment with the compute and qa programs to try using Gerrit to review blueprints. Launchpad is deficient in this area, and while we hope Storyboard will deal with it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Tuskar][Horizon] Javascript linter

2014-04-02 Thread Monty Taylor
I agree - it's not a viral license, and we're not shipping it anyway. I'm going to go back to the original thing: Recently we have been discussing the topic of Javascript linters for Horizon and Tuskar-UI with Radomir, and he told me that JSLint and JSHint can not be integrated into the test

Re: [openstack-dev] [Tuskar][Horizon] Javascript linter

2014-04-02 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/02/2014 11:05 AM, Ana Krivokapic wrote: On 04/02/2014 07:36 PM, Dougal Matthews wrote: On my phone so I can't follow this up more now, but it looks like JSHint is already used. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41087/ That commit has since been reverted and JSHint removed from

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Standing down as PTL

2014-04-02 Thread Monty Taylor
All hail the Mooball release. Now we just have to find a city that's in a state or country with a placename of Mooball - that shouldn't be too hard ... On 04/02/2014 08:20 PM, Qiming Teng wrote: Let's vote for the K, L, M release names now. :) Thanks, Steve. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at

[openstack-dev] [tripleo][infra] testing nodepool against tripleo clouds

2013-10-14 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! Currently, nodepool does not work against the two TripleO clouds (well, I'm trying against the grizzly POC cloud first) So far, the problems have been combinations of bugs/assumptions in nodepool, along with at least one actual config issue in the TripleO cloud. I thought I'd share info

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo][infra] testing nodepool against tripleo clouds

2013-10-14 Thread Monty Taylor
/2013 02:27 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all! Currently, nodepool does not work against the two TripleO clouds (well, I'm trying against the grizzly POC cloud first) So far, the problems have been combinations of bugs/assumptions in nodepool, along with at least one actual config issue

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] CD Cloud MVP2 completed

2013-10-14 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/14/2013 09:39 PM, Robert Collins wrote: That is, we're now deploying a trunk KVM based OpenStack using heat + nova baremetal on a continuous basis into the test rack we have *and* there are users setup on it for any TripleO ATC that want's an account, and networking is setup: you can

Re: [openstack-dev] Hyper-V meeting Minutes

2013-10-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/15/2013 08:36 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 10/15/2013 04:54 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Hi Everyone, I've been following this conversation and weighing the different sides. This is a tricky issue but I think it is important to decouple further and extend our circle of trust. When

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] 'ordereddict' requirement

2013-10-16 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/16/2013 07:40 AM, stuart.mcla...@hp.com wrote: All, There was a plan to use pypi's 'ordereddict' in Icehouse, to replace how we're currently providing that functionality. However, there are no ordereddict packages for Debian/Ubuntu and there are no plans to provide them. (See

Re: [openstack-dev] Building on Debian: Havana unit tests at build time report

2013-10-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/17/2013 08:57 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Hi, Thanks Robert for this quick reply. On 10/17/2013 07:31 PM, Robert Collins wrote: Hey Thomas, this is good information to know about. It seems like all these issues could be bug reports? My intention was to first warn the list, as it

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/19/2013 04:52 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2013-10-18 23:01:50 -0700: Hi there, TroveClient just got rejected by Debian FTP masters. Reply from Luke Faraone is below. In general, I would strongly advise that a clean COPYRIGHT-HOLDER file is

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/19/2013 05:49 AM, Michael Still wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: I suggest that we just put Copyright headers back in the source files. That will make Debian's licensecheck work fairly automatically. A single file that tries to do exactly

[openstack-dev] Replacing mox's stubout with fixtures

2013-10-19 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! We're using stubout from mox in some places, which means that as people go through to remove mox, stubout calls also have to be removed. I wanted to bring to people's attention that the fixtures library, which we're already using pretty widely, can do this functionality very well, so I

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/19/2013 08:29 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 10/19/2013 08:22 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 10/19/2013 04:52 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2013-10-18 23:01:50 -0700: Hi there, TroveClient just got rejected by Debian FTP masters. Reply from Luke Faraone

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-21 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/21/2013 10:44 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-10-21 13:45:21 -0700: On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 10:28 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-10-20 02:25:43 -0700: On 20 October 2013 02:35, Monty Taylor mord

Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Project Solum

2013-10-23 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/23/2013 03:03 PM, Adrian Otto wrote: OpenStack, OpenStack has emerged as the preferred choice for open cloud software worldwide. We use it to power our cloud, and we love it. We’re proud to be a part of growing its capabilities to address more needs every day. When we ask customers,

Re: [openstack-dev] Remove vim modelines?

2013-10-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/24/2013 08:38 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: Since the beginning of OpenStack we have had vim modelines all over the codebase, but after seeing this patch https://review.opeenstack.org/#/c/50891/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50891/ I took a further look into vim modelines and think we

Re: [openstack-dev] Does DB schema hygiene warrant long migrations?

2013-10-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/24/2013 05:19 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013, Michael Still mi...@stillhq.com wrote: Because I am a grumpy old man I have just -2'ed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39685/ and I wanted to explain my rationale. Mostly I am hoping for a consensus to form -- if I am

Re: [openstack-dev] [Savanna] Savanna on Bare Metal and Base Requirements

2013-10-25 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/25/2013 09:22 AM, Dmitry Mescheryakov wrote: Hello Travis, We didn't researched Savanna on bare metal, though we considered it some time ago. I know little of bare metal provisioning, so I am rather unsure what problems you might experience. My main concern are images: does bare

[openstack-dev] RFC: Filtering boring commit subjects from ChangeLog

2013-10-27 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! We're adding a little bit of code to pbr to make the auto-generated ChangeLog files a bit more useful. Currently, they are just the git changelog, which is kinda useless. So we wrote this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52367/ which produces output like this:

Re: [openstack-dev] consolidating .mailmap?

2013-10-27 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/26/2013 04:38 AM, Robert Collins wrote: So nova has a massive .mailmap that maps multiple addresses for one person together. I'm wondering if a) it's still needed, and b) if it is, should we push it into all the repositories - e.g. have a single global copy and an automated job to push

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/30/2013 10:42 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: So, recently we've had quite a long thread in gerrit regarding locking in Heat: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49440/ In the patch, there are two distributed lock drivers. One uses SQL, and suffers from all the problems you might imagine a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
-requirements.t xt#L29 https://kazoo.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ -Josh On 10/31/13 7:43 AM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 10:42 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: So, recently we've had quite a long thread in gerrit regarding locking in Heat: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49440

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
options. It's entirely possible I misread the conversation of course... On 10/31/13 10:17 AM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: Sigh. Yay We've added more competing methods of complexity!!! Seriously. We now think that rabbit and zookeeper and mysql are ALL needed? Joshua Harlow

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Abdicating the PTL Position

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/31/2013 04:06 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote: Hi all, It saddens me to say that for a mix of reasons I have decided to abdicate my position as PTL for Horizon. If anything, the reasons are all good ones overall, I just have to make the right decision for both myself and the project. In

Re: [openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/31/2013 04:15 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On 10/31/2013 07:05 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: [...] If we want to grow the committer base and help people to become better reviewers, taking the time to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Infra] [Tempest] [Ironic] Testing Ironic

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/31/2013 04:38 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: Hi all, Ironic has reached a point where it is capable of being added to integration tests and the gate pipeline. Does that mean we /should/ add it? I think so, and I'd like to know what others think, but let me be more specific about

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa] moratorium on new negative tests in Tempest

2013-11-12 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/12/2013 02:33 PM, David Kranz wrote: On 11/12/2013 01:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2013-11-12 10:01:06 -0800: During the freeze phase of Havana we got a ton of new contributors coming on board to Tempest, which was super cool. However it meant we had

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Version scheme

2013-11-14 Thread Monty Taylor
are going to use. Monty Taylor said the following in one of the comments for review [1]: Setting a version here enrolls solum in managing its version in a pre-release versioning manner, such that non-tagged versions will indicated that they are leading up to 0.0.1. If that's the model solum

Re: [openstack-dev] [style] () vs \ continuations

2013-11-14 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/13/2013 08:08 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 14 November 2013 13:59, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: This is an area where we actually have consensus in our docs (have had for a while), the reviewer was being consistent with them, and it feels like you are reopening that for personal

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-14 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/01/2013 02:21 PM, Clayton Coleman wrote: - Original Message - I was blindly assuming we want to pull in eventlet support, with the implicit understanding that we will be doing some form of timeslicing and async io bound waiting in the API... but would like to hear others

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Continue discussing multi-region orchestration

2013-11-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, Bartosz Górski wrote: Hi Thomas, Each of the two engines will be able to create resources in both regions. We do not need to add anything in the heat client. Right now when you want to create a new stack (using heat client or directly API) you need to provide: -

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list

2013-11-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/15/2013 04:13 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote: Le 14/11/2013 20:46, Clint Byrum a écrit : Now, choose which city will grow faster and produce more innovation. The problem is larger than only innovation, it is also making sure the Stackforge projects are also a starting point for

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list

2013-11-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/14/2013 02:46 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-14 05:12:55 -0800: Hi everyone, I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and November well on its way to pass

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list

2013-11-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/14/2013 07:54 PM, Caitlin Bestler wrote: On 11/14/2013 5:12 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list (summary so far)

2013-11-16 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/15/2013 05:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Wow, lots of different opinions! let's try to summarize: Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev * People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions * Traffic would drop by about 25% * Removes confusion as to

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list (summary so far)

2013-11-16 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/15/2013 12:08 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Adrian Otto wrote: If OpenStack starts a culture of exclusion instead of inclusion, that would start a dangerous trend that sets the wrong tone. It would quickly reach the point where new projects like mine would simply not come here. We would

Re: [openstack-dev] [RFC] Straw man to start the incubation / graduation requirements discussion

2013-11-16 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/13/2013 10:49 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org mailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote: Sean Dague wrote: [...] Proposed Incubation requirements Once something becomes an integrated

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable/havana] gate broken

2013-11-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/17/2013 08:46 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: Hi, The gating for the stable version is broken when the running the neutron gate. Locally this works but the gate has problem. All of the services are up and running correctly. There are some exceptions with the ceilometer service but that is not

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa] Proposals for Tempest core

2013-11-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/16/2013 11:26 PM, Matthew Treinish wrote: I think responding to this is worth breaking my vacation email embargo. Although I seem to remember a certain PTL whose vacation we waited for the last time we did core proposals... I think we need to put post summit vacation week on ttx's

Re: [openstack-dev] sqlalchemy-migrate needs a new release

2013-11-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/17/2013 03:56 PM, Sean Dague wrote: Given that sqla-migration is now in stackforge, it would be a really good idea to go down the path that wsme and pecan are going and run a devstack job to make sure they don't break the rest of OpenStack. It will definitely help on feeling confident

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/18/2013 02:28 PM, Stuart Fox wrote: Hey all Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like it should fit within the Nova area. It is, after all, just another hypervisor

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

2013-11-21 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/21/2013 01:58 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark Washenberger wrote: [...] In order to mitigate that risk, I think it would make a lot of sense to have a place to stage and carefully consider all the breaking changes we want to make. I also would like to have that place be somewhere in

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

2013-11-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/22/2013 06:55 PM, Mark Washenberger wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 22 November 2013 22:31, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org mailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote: Robert

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

2013-11-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/22/2013 09:57 AM, Dolph Mathews wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org mailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote: Robert Collins wrote: I don't understand why branches would be needed here *if* the breaking changes don't impact any

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Working group on language packs

2013-11-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/22/2013 11:34 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: I have updated the language pack (name subject to change) blueprint with the outcomes from the face2face meetings, and drafted a specification that captures the discussion so far. The spec is centered around the core idea of transitioning base

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