Re: [openstack-dev] [devstack] Core team proposals

2014-08-07 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-21 Thread Sean Dague
by having to go after that solution while also staying within the bounds of acceptable integrated project evolution. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Prioritizing review of potentially approvable patches

2014-08-21 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] Adding GateFailureFix tag to commit messages

2014-08-21 Thread Sean Dague
because it means the patch author fixing a bug just needs to know they are fixing the bug. Whether or not it's currently a gate issue would be decided not by the commit message (static) but by our system that understands what are the gate issues *right now* (dynamic). -Sean -- Sean Dague http

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-22 Thread Sean Dague
(especially as lots of people end up having custom fixes for their site). The lack of CM tools for git based deploys is I think one of the reasons we seen people using DevStack as a generic installer. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[openstack-dev] [glance] [infra] Glance review patterns and their impact on the gate

2014-08-22 Thread Sean Dague
is in a non functional state, 100% of things will fail, and not have people approve things that can't pass? These kind of issues are the ones that make me uncomfortable with the Glance team taking on more mission until basic review hygiene is under control for the existing code. -Sean -- Sean

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] [infra] Glance review patterns and their impact on the gate

2014-08-23 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/22/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 07:09:10AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: Earlier this week the freshness checks (the ones that required passing results within 24 hrs for a change to go into the gate) were removed to try to conserve nodes as we get to crunch

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-25 Thread Sean Dague
the fall off rate we won't end up in a happy place in a few more cycles. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [requirements] writing down global requirements lore

2014-08-25 Thread Sean Dague
for things that they feel are wrong (or missing to the point that this isn't useful if it lands without it). Additional enhancements can come as follow ons. But having a basic upgrade of this readme should help a lot on clarity. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] [keystone] pysaml2/xmlsec1 dep blocking keystone-to-keystone federation

2014-08-26 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-27 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/26/2014 11:40 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net mailto:s...@dague.net wrote: On 08/20/2014 12:37 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 11/08/14 05:24, Thierry Carrez wrote: So the idea that being (and remaining) in the integrated

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-27 Thread Sean Dague
a slot from days 1 - 3 and expand the hallway time. Hallway track is always pretty interesting, and honestly at a lot of interesting ideas spring up. The 10 minute transitions often seem to feel like you are rushing between places too quickly some times. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

[openstack-dev] [all] [glance] python namespaces considered harmful to development, lets not introduce more of them

2014-08-27 Thread Sean Dague
to revisit using a namespace for glance, and honestly, for other places in OpenStack, because these kinds of violations of the principle of least surprise is something that I'd like us to be actively minimizing. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

[openstack-dev] [all] gate debugging

2014-08-27 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] gate debugging

2014-08-27 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/27/2014 03:33 PM, David Kranz wrote: On 08/27/2014 02:54 PM, Sean Dague wrote: Note: thread intentionally broken, this is really a different topic. On 08/27/2014 02:30 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Chris Dent chd...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Doug

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] gate debugging

2014-08-27 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/27/2014 05:27 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: Note: thread intentionally broken, this is really a different topic. On 08/27/2014 02:30 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Chris Dent chd...@redhat.com wrote

[openstack-dev] [requirements] kombu = 2.5.0? or even = 3?

2014-08-27 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [glance] python namespaces considered harmful to development, lets not introduce more of them

2014-08-28 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/28/2014 12:22 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 28, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Radomir Dopieralski openst...@sheep.art.pl wrote: On 27/08/14 16:31, Sean Dague wrote: [snip] In python 2.7 (using pip) namespaces are a bolt on because of the way importing modules works. And depending on how

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] gate debugging

2014-08-28 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/28/2014 12:48 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 08/27/2014 05:27 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: Note: thread intentionally broken, this is really a different topic

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] gate debugging

2014-08-28 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/28/2014 01:48 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 08/28/2014 12:48 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 08/27/2014 05:27 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 2:54 PM

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] gate debugging

2014-08-28 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/28/2014 02:07 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net mailto:s...@dague.net wrote: On 08/28/2014 12:48 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net mailto:s...@dague.net wrote

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-28 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-28 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/28/2014 03:06 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/28/2014 02:21 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 08/28/2014 01:58 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 11:34 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about what

[openstack-dev] [bashate] .bashateignore

2014-08-29 Thread Sean Dague
or directories to throw out of the walk. I think that would handle the concerns that everyone is having, and hopefully provides a more clear set of semantics in integrating. Anyone up for taking a stab at this patch? -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] [bashate] .bashateignore

2014-08-29 Thread Sean Dague
On 08/29/2014 08:53 AM, Dean Troyer wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net mailto:s...@dague.net wrote: Integrating bashate into something as complicated as devstack, the file ignore problem has come up. We seem to have 3 approaches out under review

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa] Lack of consistency in returning response from tempest clients

2014-08-29 Thread Sean Dague
), and the response object is accessible if needed to examine headers. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [nova] feature branch for Nova v2.1 API?

2014-09-02 Thread Sean Dague
on whether getting the API on track is deemed important enough to go this approach during the Juno RC phase. All opinions welcome. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

[openstack-dev] [all] [glance] do NOT ever sort requirements.txt

2014-09-03 Thread Sean Dague
it is. Changing the order has impacts on the overall integration which can cause wedges later. So please stop. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Nova][All] requests 2.4.0 breaks glanceclient

2014-09-03 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [glance] do NOT ever sort requirements.txt

2014-09-03 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/03/2014 09:03 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 08:37:17AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: I'm not sure why people keep showing up with sort requirements patches like - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76817/6, however, they do. All of these need to be -2ed with predjudice

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Nova][All] requests 2.4.0 breaks glanceclient

2014-09-03 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [infra][qa][neutron] Neutron full job, advanced services, and the integrated gate

2014-09-03 Thread Sean Dague
to the rest of OpenStack. The advanced services really are a different beast (and honestly might be better as a separate OpenStack service that's not neutron). -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
and team have been doing a bang up job of late. But we need to stop considering integration as the end game of all interesting software in the OpenStack ecosystem, and I think it's better to have that conversation sooner rather than later. Anyway, my $0.02. -Sean -- Sean Dague http

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] FFE request v2-on-v3-api

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
here, and risk to the rest of the project is low. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][FFE] Feature freeze exception for virt-driver-numa-placement

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
of backwards to say we should merge a thing that we don't have a good upstream test plan on and put it in a release so that the testing will happen only in the downstream case. Anyway, not enough to -1 it, but enough to at least say something. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
is inhibiting adoption. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][FFE] Feature freeze exception for virt-driver-numa-placement

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/04/2014 09:21 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 03:07:24PM +0200, Nikola Đipanov wrote: On 09/04/2014 02:31 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/04/2014 07:58 AM, Nikola Đipanov wrote: Hi team, I am requesting the exception for the feature from the subject (find specs at [1

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][FFE] v3-api-schema

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][FFE] requesting FFE for LVM ephemeral storage encryption

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
it and it is a pretty well isolated feature so risk to other existing code is low. I'm happy to sponsor this one. The last patch is pretty straight forward, I think one change around the way barbican is included should make it ready (reviewed yesterday). -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] [feature freeze exception] Feature freeze exception for config-drive-image-property

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
going to create, and the work required to get there. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/05/2014 07:26 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 07:00:44AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/05/2014 06:22 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 07:31:50PM +0930, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:24:29 +0100 Daniel P. Berrange berra

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/05/2014 07:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 07:12:37AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/05/2014 06:40 AM, Nikola Đipanov wrote: A handy example of this I can think of is the currently granted FFE for serial consoles - consider how much of the code went

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] [feature freeze exception] FFE for libvirt-disk-discard-option

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
this. It is such a simple useful patch it is madness to reject it on a process technicality. Regards, Daniel +1, just reviewed and +2ed it. Seems straight forward. Consider me a sponsor. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] [feature freeze exception] FFE for libvirt-disk-discard-option

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
this. It is such a simple useful patch it is madness to reject it on a process technicality. Regards, Daniel +1, just reviewed and +2ed it. Seems straight forward. Consider me a sponsor. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/05/2014 07:39 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 5 September 2014 23:33, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I think realistically a self certification process that would have artifacts in a discoverable place. I was thinking something along the lines of a baseball card interface with a short

Re: [openstack-dev] [FFE] [nova] Barbican key manager wrapper

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [FFE] [nova] Barbican key manager wrapper

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/05/2014 08:11 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/05/2014 07:51 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 05:19:45PM +, Coffman, Joel M. wrote: A major concern about several encryption features within Nova [1, 2] has been the lack of secure key management. To address

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] [FFE] alternative request for v2-on-v3-api

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
effect of being negative KLOC patches. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
to spin up that dev env that has it. Which feels like we need some decoupling on our requirements vs. tox targets to get there. CC to Monty and Clark as our super awesome tox hackers to help figure out if there is a path forward here that makes sense. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
if we're going to put it in gerrit do stackforge instead of openstack/ namespace, because it will be useful beyond us. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] FFE server-group-quotas

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
at 2:20 AM, Day, Phil philip@hp.com wrote: The corresponding Tempest change is also ready to roll (thanks to Ken'inci): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112474/1 so its kind of just a question of getting the sequence right. Phil -Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s

Re: [openstack-dev] doubling our core review bandwidth

2014-09-08 Thread Sean Dague
months (if we're lucky) in a new process change thread. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] doubling our core review bandwidth

2014-09-08 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/08/2014 11:07 AM, Alexis Lee wrote: Sean Dague said on Mon, Sep 08, 2014 at 09:22:56AM -0400: On 09/08/2014 05:17 AM, Steven Hardy wrote: I think this may be a sensible move, but only if it's used primarily to land the less complex/risky patches more quickly. 2 +2 has been part

Re: [openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-09 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/09/2014 10:41 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:18 PM, James E. Blair cor...@inaugust.com wrote: Sean Dague s...@dague.net writes: The crux of the issue is that zookeeper python modules are C extensions. So you have to either install from packages (which we don't do

Re: [openstack-dev] [Designate][Horizon][Tempest][DevStack] Supporting code for incubated projects

2014-09-09 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/09/2014 12:23 PM, Mac Innes, Kiall wrote: -Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] Sent: 09 September 2014 15:13 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Designate][Horizon][Tempest][DevStack] Supporting code for incubated projects

[openstack-dev] [release] client release deadline - Sept 18th

2014-09-09 Thread Sean Dague
unless there is a high priority bug around them. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [all] [clients] [keystone] lack of retrying tokens leads to overall OpenStack fragility

2014-09-10 Thread Sean Dague
a token expiration boundary. Anyone closer to the clients that can comment here? -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] On an API proxy from baremetal to ironic

2014-09-10 Thread Sean Dague
as it provides a smoother transition from baremetal to ironic. The patch is extremely low risk to the rest of Nova, as it's a surface proxy feature, so lets just land it and move forward. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [clients] [keystone] lack of retrying tokens leads to overall OpenStack fragility

2014-09-10 Thread Sean Dague
client itself. 2014-09-10 16:14 GMT+02:00 Sean Dague s...@dague.net mailto:s...@dague.net: Going through the untriaged Nova bugs, and there are a few on a similar pattern: Nova operation in progress takes a while Crosses keystone token expiration time Timeout thrown

[openstack-dev] [all] webnumbr bug graphs appear dead for bug triage

2014-09-10 Thread Sean Dague
just purge those links? Thanks, -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] On an API proxy from baremetal to ironic

2014-09-10 Thread Sean Dague
to create a node. Best Regards, Solly Ross - Original Message - From: Sean Dague s...@dague.net To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:33:05 AM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] On an API proxy from baremetal to ironic On 09/09/2014 11:22 PM

Re: [openstack-dev] On an API proxy from baremetal to ironic

2014-09-10 Thread Sean Dague
is much more time, and unclear that it would be semantically equivalent enough to be useful to anyone. So this is an 80/20 rule piece of code. And as it's already done, lets do it. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-11 Thread Sean Dague
cycle?). I don't see the need to actually decide here and now that the split is clearly at least 7 - 12 months away. A lot happens in the intervening time. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-11 Thread Sean Dague
that debt in the virt layer will make the whole thing easier to review and in 6 months time we can assess if we think that the biggest inhibitor to Nova is really that split. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [clients] [keystone] lack of retrying tokens leads to overall OpenStack fragility

2014-09-11 Thread Sean Dague
] [clients] [keystone] lack of retrying tokens leads to overall OpenStack fragility On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:14:32AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: Going through the untriaged Nova bugs, and there are a few on a similar pattern: Nova operation in progress takes a while Crosses keystone token

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [clients] [keystone] lack of retrying tokens leads to overall OpenStack fragility

2014-09-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/10/2014 11:55 AM, Steven Hardy wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:14:32AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: Going through the untriaged Nova bugs, and there are a few on a similar pattern: Nova operation in progress takes a while Crosses keystone token expiration time Timeout thrown

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/11/2014 09:09 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 9/11/14, 2:55 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Sean Dague wrote: [...] Why don't we start with let's clean up the virt interface and make it more sane, as I don't think there is any disagreement there. If it's going to take

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/11/2014 11:14 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 9/11/14, 4:30 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 09/11/2014 09:09 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 9/11/14, 2:55 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Sean Dague wrote: [...] Why don't we start with let's clean up the virt

Re: [openstack-dev] masking X-Auth-Token in debug output - proposed consistency

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
having to worry about it. Please don't let this be the perfect is the enemy of the good here. Debugging OpenStack is hard. Not fixing this keeps it harder. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][all] switch from mysqldb to another eventlet aware mysql client

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
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[openstack-dev] [all] PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=true in tox.ini

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
(win!). It doesn't seem to impact what pip installs... and if anyone knows how to prevent those pyc files from getting created, that would be great. But it's something which hopefully causes less perceived developer fragility of the system. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=true in tox.ini

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/12/2014 11:21 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I assume you, gentle OpenStack developers, often find yourself in a hair tearing out moment of frustration about why local unit tests are doing completely insane things. The code

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][all] switch from mysqldb to another eventlet aware mysql client

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/12/2014 11:19 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka ihrac...@redhat.com wrote: Signed PGP part On 12/09/14 13:20, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/12/2014 06:41 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: Some updates/concerns/questions. The status of introducing a new

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=true in tox.ini

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/12/2014 11:33 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 09/12/2014 11:21 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I assume you, gentle OpenStack developers, often find yourself in a hair

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=true in tox.ini

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/12/2014 11:52 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Bayer mba...@redhat.com wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I assume you, gentle OpenStack developers, often find yourself in a hair tearing out moment of frustration about

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=true in tox.ini

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/12/2014 12:07 PM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 09/12/2014 11:33 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 09/12/2014 11:21 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 12, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Sean

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-13 Thread Sean Dague
flavor_id) I think we should keep constrained, as we do actually do joins on them. (And as jay said, the current utf8 schema is actually highly inefficient and bloaty.) -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Sean Dague
member digging into it. I don't disagree on the disaggregation problem, however as lots of Nova devs are ignoring unit test fails at this point, unless that changes no other disaggregation is going make anything better. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Sean Dague
for it to be done... is nova doing that? nova-expert: Nope. Fix on the way. Honestly, the #openstack-qa channel is a completely appropriate place for that. Plus it already has a lot of the tempest experts. Realistically anyone that works on these kinds of fixes tend to be there. -Sean -- Sean Dague

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][all] Help with interpreting the log level guidelines

2014-09-15 Thread Sean Dague
it at WARN or ERROR. Please provide feedback to help us resolve this dispute if you feel you can! My feeling is this is an INFO level. There is really nothing the admin should care about here. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][all] Help with interpreting the log level guidelines

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
that they are running in. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
, understanding how to read OpenStack logs, and being mindful that the issue might be caused by other things happening at the same time that you are trying to do a thing (so keep an eye out for those). -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Ipset, merge refactor for J?

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
refactoring should be considered a superfluous change at this point in the cycle. The risk/benefit ratio is too high, and focus should be on bugfixing at this point. +1. Hold the refactoring until Kilo. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
getting added to the pile as probably 1/2 - 1/3 of inbound bugs... aren't. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][all] Help with interpreting the log level guidelines

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/16/2014 10:16 AM, Kuvaja, Erno wrote: -Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] Sent: 16 September 2014 12:40 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][all] Help with interpreting the log level guidelines On 09/16/2014 06

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][all] Help with interpreting the log level guidelines

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/16/2014 12:07 PM, Kuvaja, Erno wrote: -Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] Sent: 16 September 2014 15:56 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][all] Help with interpreting the log level guidelines On 09/16/2014 10

Re: [openstack-dev] PostgreSQL jobs slow in the gate

2014-09-18 Thread Sean Dague
ever noticing when it's regressing). Same issue with the metadata server split. That's really only a thing Nova cares about. It shouldn't impact anyone else. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/18/2014 06:38 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 06:48:19 -0400 Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 09/13/2014 02:28 AM, Kenichi Oomichi wrote: Hi Chris, Thanks for bring it up here, -Original Message- From: Chris St. Pierre [mailto:stpie...@metacloud.com

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/18/2014 07:19 AM, Ken'ichi Ohmichi wrote: 2014-09-18 19:57 GMT+09:00 Sean Dague s...@dague.net: On 09/18/2014 06:38 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 06:48:19 -0400 Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: We have proposed that the allowed characters for all resource names

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/18/2014 12:08 PM, Alex Xu wrote: On 2014年09月18日 18:57, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/18/2014 06:38 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 06:48:19 -0400 Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 09/13/2014 02:28 AM, Kenichi Oomichi wrote: Hi Chris, Thanks for bring it up here

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/18/2014 07:57 PM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:12:28 -0400 Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: When we can return the json-schema to user in the future, can we say that means API accepting utf8 or utf8mb4 is discoverable? If it is discoverable, then we needn't limit

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-19 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/18/2014 08:49 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Christopher Yeoh's message of 2014-09-18 16:57:12 -0700: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:12:28 -0400 Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: When we can return the json-schema to user in the future, can we say that means API accepting utf8 or utf8mb4

[openstack-dev] [nova] 2 weeks in the bug tracker

2014-09-19 Thread Sean Dague
of this handy. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] 2 weeks in the bug tracker

2014-09-19 Thread Sean Dague
commit messages makes things lost. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [requirements] [nova] requirements freeze exception for websockify

2014-09-19 Thread Sean Dague
testing against for the entire last cycle. I don't believe it has any impacts on other projects, so should be a very safe change. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Deprecating exceptions

2014-09-22 Thread Sean Dague
threshold. Honestly, I have no idea. If ceilometer client did the right thing and gave enough deprecation time before the remove, it's an issue about why horizon didn't respond to the deprecation sooner. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Sean Dague
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Re: [openstack-dev] [requirements] [nova] requirements freeze exception for websockify

2014-09-22 Thread Sean Dague
19, 2014 1:54:08 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [requirements] [nova] requirements freeze exception for websockify On Sep 19, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I'd like to request a requirements freeze exception for websockify - https://review.openstack.org/#/c

Re: [openstack-dev] [RFC] Kilo release cycle schedule proposal

2014-09-23 Thread Sean Dague
/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Sean Dague http://dague.net ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

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