Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] Weekly meetings resuming + agenda

2014-08-07 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 12:12:26 PM PDT, Brandon Logan wrote: It's just my own preference. Others like webex/hangouts because it can be easier to talk about topics than in IRC, but with this many people and the latency delays, it can become quite cumbersome. Plus, it makes it easier for meeting

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-07 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/07/2014 01:41 PM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: My point was simply that we don't have direct control over the contributors' activities This is not correct and I've seen it repeated too often to let it go uncorrected: we (the OpenStack project as a whole) have a lot of control over contributors to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-08 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/08/2014 02:37 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: I agree with Eoghan here. The main goal of an agile/lean system is to maximize a development team productivity. The main goal of Open source project management is not to maximize productivity. It’s to maximize contributions. I wrote about that a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-13 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/13/2014 07:33 AM, Ian Wells wrote: I have no great answer to this, but is there a way - perhaps via team sponsorship from cores to ensure that the general direction is right, and cloned repositories for purpose-specific changes, as one example - that we can get an audience of people to

Re: [openstack-dev] Fwd: FW: [Neutron] Group Based Policy and the way forward

2014-08-13 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/12/2014 06:46 PM, Wuhongning wrote: I couldn't have been at the IRC meeting for the time difference, are there any conclusion for this topic, or is it still open? I, the PTL, some core reviewers and many in the GBP team are actively working on a proposal to send to the list for quick

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] Minutes from 8/13/2014 meeting

2014-08-19 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Thanks for the summary Trevor. On 08/18/2014 01:25 PM, Trevor Vardeman wrote: 1) Discuss future of Octavia in light of Neutron-incubator project proposal. a) There are many problems with Neutron-Incubator as currently described Let's be specific, enumerate the problems and address them,

[openstack-dev] Network/Incubator proposal (was Re: [Octavia] Minutes from 8/13/2014 meeting)

2014-08-19 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/19/2014 08:39 AM, Eichberger, German wrote: Just to be clear: We all think the incubator is a great idea and if some things are ironed out will be a good way to onboard new projects to Neutron. What bothers me is the timing. Without warning we were put in an incubator in the span of like

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-19 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/19/2014 07:37 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: All of these projects should be able to live in the Program, in the openstack/ code namespace, for as long as the project is actively developed, and let the contributor communities in these competing projects *naturally* work to do any of the following:

Re: [openstack-dev] generate Windows exe

2014-08-20 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hi Szepe, On Wed 20 Aug 2014 11:33:47 AM PDT, Szépe Viktor wrote: Thank you for your answer. That workflow seems a huge job for me. I leave this patch up to you. thanks for sending this fix. You've stumbled upon one of the known issues of OpenStack's way to deal with small patches like

Re: [openstack-dev] [Octavia] IRC meetings

2014-08-21 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/21/2014 10:14 AM, Doug Wiegley wrote: We made the voice/IRC decision in the very format that favors voice. So in the interest of putting the discussion to bed, voice your opinions here in a non-voice way: I was about to voice (ha!) my opinion there but I stopped because I don't think we

Re: [openstack-dev] New feature on Nova

2014-08-21 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/21/2014 08:00 AM, thomas.pessi...@orange.com wrote: Sorry if I am not on the right mailing list. I would like to get some information. No problem, this is the correct mailing list as this message is about discussing the future of an openstack component. I would like to know if I am a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-21 Thread Stefano Maffulli
I think we can't throw Ceilometer and Triple-O in the same discussion: they're two separate issues IMHO, with different root causes and therefore different solutions. On 08/21/2014 06:27 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: The point I've been making is that by the TC continuing to bless only the Ceilometer

Re: [openstack-dev] What does NASA not using OpenStack mean to OS's future

2014-08-25 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/25/2014 02:36 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: So to see if we can get something useful from this thread. not on this mailing list. Move it somewhere else: this thread is off topic here. /stef ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-25 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Mon 25 Aug 2014 03:38:18 PM CDT, Zane Bitter wrote: I'd say we've done fairly well, but I would attribute that at least in part to the fact that we've treated the PTL as effectively the temporary release management contact more than the guy who will resolve disputes for us. In other words,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-25 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/22/2014 08:19 PM, John Dickinson wrote: I think Anne makes some excellent points about the pattern being proposed being unlikely to be commonly implemented across all the programs (or, at best, very difficult). Let's not try to formalize another best practice that works many times and

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Incubator concerns from packaging perspective

2014-08-27 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/21/2014 03:12 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: I wonder where discussion around the proposal is running. Is it public? Yes, it's public, and this thread is part of it. Look at the dates of the wiki: this is a recent proposal (first appearance Aug 11), came out to address the GBP issue, quickly

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas][octavia]

2014-08-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/28/2014 03:04 PM, Susanne Balle wrote: Just for us to learn about the incubator status, here are some of the info on incubation: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/Incubation https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewProjects These are not the correct documents

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra] [third-party] [infra] New mailing lists for third party announcements and account requests

2014-08-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Fri 29 Aug 2014 12:47:00 PM PDT, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote: Third-party-request This list is the new place to request the creation or modification of your third party account. Note that old requests sent to the openstack-infra mailing list don't need to be resubmitted, they are already in

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra] [third-party] [infra] New mailing lists for third party announcements and account requests

2014-09-02 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Fri 29 Aug 2014 03:03:34 PM PDT, James E. Blair wrote: It's the best way we have right now, until we have time to make it more self-service. We received one third-party CI request in 2 years, then we received 88 more in 6 months. Our current process is built around the old conditions. I

[openstack-dev] znc as a service (was Re: [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?)

2014-09-02 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/29/2014 11:17 AM, John Garbutt wrote: After moving to use ZNC, I find IRC works much better for me now, but I am still learning really. There! this sentence has two very important points worth highlighting: 1- when people say IRC they mean IRC + a hack to overcome its limitation 2-

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-04 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Thanks Daniel for taking the time to write such deep message. Obviously you have thought about this issue for a long time and your opinion comes from deep personal understanding. I'm adding tags for neutron and cinder, as I know they're having similar conversations. I don't have a strong opinion

Re: [openstack-dev] [Manila]

2014-09-05 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hi Jyoti This is the wrong email list: we use openstack-dev only to discuss future development of OpenStack project. Use the General mailing list or the one for Operators (check http://lists.openstack.org). Alternatively search for answers (and if you don't find any, ask questions) on

[openstack-dev] DefCore Community Meetings 9/10 9/11 AGENDA (Lighthouse.7)

2014-09-05 Thread Stefano Maffulli
The DefCore project is moving forward and needs more and more eyes on it. The next meetings are on Sept 9 and 10, with the same agenda to facilitate global access. I'm sharing the details below. All members of OpenStack ecosystem should follow this process closely as it is going to define what an

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-08 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/05/2014 07:07 PM, James Bottomley wrote: Actually, I don't think this analysis is accurate. Some people are simply interested in small aspects of a project. It's the scratch your own itch part of open source. The thing which makes itch scratchers not lone wolfs is the desire to go the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-09 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/09/2014 06:55 AM, James Bottomley wrote: CLAs are a well known and documented barrier to casual contributions I'm not convinced about this statement, at all. And since I think it's secondary to what we're discussing, I'll leave it as is and go on. I've done both ... I do prefer the patch

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/05/2014 12:36 PM, Tim Bell wrote: How can the average deployer know whether a stackforge is a. An early prototype which has completed (such as some of the early LBaaS packages) b. A project which has lost its initial steam and further investment is not foreseen c.

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-10 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/10/2014 02:27 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote: Well, both proposals can be done : we can create subteams and the Subteam-Approval Gerrit label right know before Kilo, and we could split the virt repos by later once the interfaces and prereqs are done. That's what I mean in fact: create sub team

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/10/2014 12:56 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: I reject soundly and fundamentally the idea that Open Source projects NEED a commercial ecosystem to provide solid quality software. That's not what I said. I said that assuring the quality of code on a public repository is not necessarily something

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] OpenStack bootstrapping hour - Friday Sept 19th - 3pm EST

2014-09-15 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/15/2014 03:56 PM, Sean Dague wrote: A few of us have decided to pull together a regular (cadence to be determined) video series taking on deep dives inside of OpenStack, looking at code, explaining why things work that way, and fielding questions from anyone interested. For lack of a

Re: [openstack-dev] [metrics] New version of the Activity Board

2014-09-19 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Thank you Daniel, great job. On 09/17/2014 09:03 AM, Daniel Izquierdo wrote: * Further work = - Add Juno release information It's coming :) - Allow to have projects navigation per release This is interesting - Add Askbot data per release This is really not needed, don't spend

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Set WIP for stale patches?

2014-09-22 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Fri 19 Sep 2014 09:25:10 AM PDT, Jeremy Stanley wrote: Here we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think core reviewers hiding behind an automated process so that they don't have to confront contributors about stalled/inadequate changes is inherently less friendly. Clearly you feel that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] [All] API standards working group

2014-09-24 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/24/2014 10:05 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: Whatever it ends up being, it needs to have some teeth to it. Otherwise, we're going to end up in the exact same place we're in now, where each project does something slightly different. +1 I think getting started and produce some material to discuss

Re: [openstack-dev] How to best make User Experience a priority in every project

2013-12-11 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 12/06/2013 02:19 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: We are growing. At the moment we are 4 core members and others are coming in. But honestly, contributors are not coming to specific projects - they go to reach UX community in a sense - OK this is awesome effort, how can I help? What can I work on?

[openstack-dev] [Metrics] Communicating how to interpret community data

2013-12-11 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks I wrote a blog post today after noticing again that reporters take the data published on Activity Board and Stackalytics as true, without asking questions to the protagonists. The problem is that at the moment none of the systems we have can guarantee that the data is presenting at

Re: [openstack-dev] Stackalytics 0.4 released! [metrics]

2013-12-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 12/12/2013 07:49 AM, Ilya Shakhat wrote: Stackalytics team is happy to announce the release of version 0.4. [...] Good job Ilya, congratulations on the release. I may not be able to join the meeting (too early for me) so I leave here some feedback for you. I like the new punchcards in the

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 12/18/2013 07:01 AM, Dolph Mathews wrote: Options 2 and 3 sound identical to me, when realistically applied. Option 3 just makes the common sense aspect mandatory. Indeed, Option 3 gets my vote. One aspect I'd like to mention regarding diversity of contributors in any open source project is

Re: [openstack-dev] Implementing VPNaas in Openstack Grizzly release

2014-01-14 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Mon 13 Jan 2014 11:04:01 PM PST, Ashwini Babureddy wrote: I have added all the configurations mentioned below in the mail but getting the same error while executing the command Please move this thread to the General mailing list or the Operators list or https://ask.openstack.org. Reserve

[openstack-dev] Sent the first batch of invitations to Atlanta's Summit

2014-01-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
A few minutes ago we sent the first batch of invites to people who contributed to any of the official OpenStack programs[1] from 00:00 UTC on April 4, 2014 (Grizzly release day) until present. We'll send more invites *after each milestone* from now on and until feature freeze (March 6th,

[openstack-dev] [nova][swift] Importing Launchpad Answers in Ask OpenStack

2014-01-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks we're almost ready to import all questions and asnwers from LP Answers into Ask OpenStack. You can see the result of the import from Nova on the staging server http://ask-staging.openstack.org/ There are some formatting issues for the imported questions and I'm trying to evaluate

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][swift] Importing Launchpad Answers in Ask OpenStack

2014-01-30 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Wed 29 Jan 2014 01:49:04 PM CET, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote: Getting lauchpad bus in ask.openstack would really help people and this looks really nice.(just saw some question-answers) I was not able to search for questions though Yes, we know, search is disabled on staging. and

[openstack-dev] Speaking at PyCON US 2014 about OpenStack?

2014-01-30 Thread Stefano Maffulli
If you're going to talk about anything related to OpenStack at PyCON US/Canada this year, please let me know. We're collecting the list of talks related to the project. Cheers, stef -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org ___

Re: [openstack-dev] Speaking at PyCON US 2014 about OpenStack?

2014-02-04 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu 30 Jan 2014 09:36:56 PM CET, Jarret Raim wrote: Paul Kehrer and I are talking about the state of crypto in Python. The talk isn't specifically about OpenStack, but we will be talking about various OpenStack related issues including the Barbican service. Thanks Jarret, that's exactly the

[openstack-dev] Ready to import Launchpad Answers into Ask OpenStack

2014-02-06 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks, we're ready to import the answers from Launchpad into Ask OpenStack. A script will import all questions, answers, comments (and data abou user accounts) from LP into Ask, tag them as the project of origin (nova, swift, etc). You can see the results of the test runs on

Re: [openstack-dev] Ready to import Launchpad Answers into Ask OpenStack

2014-02-10 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hi Sergey On Tue 11 Feb 2014 08:01:48 AM CET, Sergey Lukjanov wrote: Stefano, is it possible to import savanna's answers@launchpad to ask.o.o? Yes, indeed. I apologize for not putting you explicitly in the cc list. The full list of projects we'll work on is on the bug itself:

Re: [openstack-dev] Sent the first batch of invitations to Atlanta's Summit

2014-02-24 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 02/17/2014 05:21 PM, Steve Kowalik wrote: I found it completely non-obvious too, and had to go back and look for the link. If the promotion code text box was always visible with the Apply button grayed out when the text box is empty, I think that would help. Unfortunately the site is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community awareness. [...] Thanks for

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][swift] Importing Launchpad Answers in Ask OpenStack

2014-03-03 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Answers. I'll contact the PTLs to edit the projects. Cheers, stef On 01/28/2014 04:38 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: Hello folks we're almost ready to import all questions and asnwers from LP Answers into Ask OpenStack. You can see the result of the import from Nova on the staging server http

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Stefano Maffulli
-1 to the switch from me. this question from Sean is of fundamental value: On 03/03/2014 03:19 PM, Sean Dague wrote: #1) do we believe OFTC is fundamentally better equipped to resist a DDOS, or do we just believe they are a smaller target? The ongoing DDOS on meetup.com the past 2 weeks is a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On the topic of 'always improving our community', here is the announcement I promised On 03/03/2014 01:52 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: [...] We'll have a first edition of this program in Atlanta. Some more details on the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Training/Info

Re: [openstack-dev] Travel Support Program validation date vs. early-bird deadline

2014-03-17 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hi Sylvain, On 03/08/2014 09:34 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote: As I only requested for hotel+travel support, I was supposed to use my ATC badge for the registration, *but* it is clearly explained that the coupon code is only valid until March 21... Thanks for bringing it up, indeed I think we can

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] OPENSTACK SERVICE ERROR

2014-03-18 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/17/2014 11:14 AM, Ben Nemec wrote: First, please don't use all caps in your subject. Second, please do use tags to indicate which projects your message relates to. In this case, that appears to be nova. third (actually, zero: this is the most important part of all) Don't use the

Re: [openstack-dev] Constructive Conversations

2014-03-18 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello Kurt, all, On 03/07/2014 01:56 PM, Kurt Griffiths wrote: There have been a variety of instances where community members have expressed their ideas and concerns via email or at a summit, or simply submitted a patch that perhaps challenges someone’s opinion of The Right Way to Do It, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-20 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/10/2014 04:10 PM, Edgar Magana wrote: A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive I think by 100% inclusive you mean getting the right people for the problem to solve in the room. I would support that objective. Do you think there are some key people who would need help

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Updates to Juno blueprint review process

2014-03-21 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/20/2014 03:50 PM, Jay Lau wrote: It is better that we can have some diagram workflow just like Gerrit_Workflow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow to show the new process. Indeed, I think it would help. While I'm here, and for the records, I think that creating a new

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Updates to Juno blueprint review process

2014-03-24 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/22/2014 03:14 AM, Sean Dague wrote: Honestly, I largely disagree. This is applying some process where there clearly wasn't any before. We have a different perception evidently. I'm assuming you're exaggerating for the sake of clarity because assuming there was no process before means that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Updates to Juno blueprint review process

2014-03-24 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/24/2014 09:20 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: Another critical point of clarification ... we are *not* moving out of blueprints at all. We're still using them for tracking, just as before. We are *adding* the use of gerrit for reviewing the design. That changes things, thank you for the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Updates to Juno blueprint review process

2014-03-25 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/25/2014 01:30 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: I really don't see why this is so bad. We're using a tool specifically designed for reviewing things that is already working *really* well, right, for code reviews. not just for code, but also for TC governance documents. I disagree: that's

Re: [openstack-dev] User mailing lists for OpenStack projects

2014-03-25 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hi Shaunak, the lists for the OpenStack project are hosted on http://lists.openstack.org. You can see the full roster on that page. If you need a special list for the users of OpenStack PHP SDK you can propose a change to the lists manifest on

[openstack-dev] Dealing with changes of plans, rejections and other annoyances

2014-03-27 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks, we've been hearing a lot about the incredible growth of the OpenStack community but we don't hear much about the incredible amount of pressure that comes with such growth. One huge problem that growth brings with is that new comers have not had time to assimilate the culture of

Re: [openstack-dev] Dealing with changes of plans, rejections and other annoyances

2014-03-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/27/2014 06:25 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: Back to my point, when newcomers come into an opensource project with no understanding of what opensource means or how to communicate in an opensource project, that creates additional learning demand that might not have been in evidence previously.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Metrics] Working on affiliations details: Activity Board

2013-10-15 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Thank you Daniel. On 10/15/2013 11:07 AM, Daniel Izquierdo wrote: ps: not sure if it's a good idea to resend this to the general list without the topic [metrics] nah, I don't think it's needed. http://activity.openstack.org/dash/browser/data/affs/openstack-community-affs.csv This is useful

[openstack-dev] [Metrics] Improving the data about contributor/affiliation/time

2013-10-17 Thread Stefano Maffulli
hello folks first of all: congratulations to all developers, testers, users, translators, tech writers for the new release: Havana is out of the gate with impressive numbers. Speaking of numbers, a lot of you have noticed mistakes in the reported numbers, from misspelling of names to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Metrics] Improving the data about contributor/affiliation/time

2013-10-18 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/18/2013 05:33 AM, Sean Dague wrote: I'm not sure it is well understoond that all members have to join the foundation. We don't make that a requirement on someone slinging a patch. I believe we do make it a requirement: you can't sign the CLA if you are not also a member of the

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-21 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/20/2013 06:00 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: I know the Foundation's got work underway to improve the affiliate map from the member database, so it might be possible to have some sort of automated job which proposes changes to a copyright holders list in each project by running a query with

Re: [openstack-dev] Error while executing 'git review'

2013-10-22 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/22/2013 06:04 AM, S Sridhar wrote: But getting following error while posting for review. sridhar@ubuntu:~/repo/neutron$ git review remote: Resolving deltas: 100% (4/4) remote: Processing changes: refs: 1, done To ssh://saggezz...@review.openstack.org:29418/openstack/neutron.git

Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Project Solum

2013-10-23 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/23/2013 12:03 PM, Adrian Otto wrote: Along with eBay, RedHat, Ubuntu/Canonical, dotCloud/Docker, Cloudsoft, and Cumulogic, we at Rackspace are happy to announce we have started project Solum as an OpenStack Related open source project. Solum is a community-driven initiative currently in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/23/2013 08:33 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on Nova Project Structure and Process [1], but I

[openstack-dev] Looking for an MC for Ligthing Talks in Hong Kong

2013-10-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks as it's now an established tradition of OpenStack Summits, we'll have 30 minutes every day in Hong Kong for people to present their projects in 5 minutes or less. The projects can be about anything, really, from building furniture to 3D printing to cloudy stuff. People that want to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how the priority of different projects compare. In the last cycle, priorities were mainly subjectively set

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Wed 30 Oct 2013 03:29:32 AM PDT, Thierry Carrez wrote: (1) Rating blueprints low priority doesn't mean they won't make it. It means we have no idea if they will make it. Maybe the proposer doesn't have a proven track record of hitting promised deadlines, maybe we don't have core reviewers

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Solum transitioned to openstack-dev

2013-10-30 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/30/2013 12:08 PM, Adrian Otto wrote: The Solum team has agreed[1] to use openstack-dev, and has closed its project-specific mailing list. Welcome. There is now also a topic on the Dev list: people can subscribe to receive only messages tagged [Solum] or [solum] in the subject. Cheers,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Solum transitioned to openstack-dev

2013-10-30 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/30/2013 03:44 PM, Adrian Otto wrote: So, that's working. My concern is that the topic is listed as OpenStack Solum and should be listed as Solum because this project is not incubated, and should not use the OpenStack brand. Indeed, it was a copy-paste mistake on my side. Fixed now. --

[openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/31/2013 07:05 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: [...] If we want to grow the committer base and help people to become better reviewers, taking the time to show them the ropes is part of the game. hijacking the thread using Kyle's comment as an excuse. It's not an 'if' but a 'since':

Re: [openstack-dev] Re : welcoming new committers

2013-10-31 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/31/2013 03:45 PM, Romain Hardouin wrote: Adding a message for new comers is a good idea. I am a new Horizon contributor, some of my fixes have been merged (thanks to Upstream University :-) Indeed :) Can you share with us briefly what you found interesting in the sessions of Upstream

Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?

2013-11-01 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/01/2013 05:33 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: I was wondering, since there is a lot of people who cannot attend Design Sessions, if we can help them to be present at least in some way. We tried in the past to setup systems to enable remote participation in a generic way (give a URL per each

Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?

2013-11-01 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Fri 01 Nov 2013 12:40:44 PM PDT, Jaromir Coufal wrote: Since I have quite good experience with using these hangouts on air, I wanted to propose it as a general way how to get our sessions more accessible. Lot of people are asking how they can get more involved and I received very positive

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to recognize indirect contributions to our code base

2013-11-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/12/2013 01:58 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: This proposal raises several questions. (1) Is it a good idea to allow giving credit to patch sponsors On one hand, this encourages customers of OpenStack service companies to fund sending back bugfixes and features upstream. Does it? I'm

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list

2013-11-14 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/14/2013 09:03 AM, David Ripton wrote: I don't think it's worth the bother. openstack-dev would still receive most of the traffic. Once you add back the traffic from people cross-posting, posting to the wrong list, yelling at people cross-posting or posting to the wrong list, etc. I'd

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list

2013-11-14 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/14/2013 11:46 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Now, choose which city will grow faster and produce more innovation. This is not about welcoming newcomers. It's about teaching newcomers the tools, habits, culture of an established community that keeps growing. If questions about usage need to be

[openstack-dev] filtering traffic on the mailing list (was Re: Split of the openstack-dev list)

2013-11-14 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/14/2013 11:52 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: This may be a silly question, but what is the best way to filter out stackforge and related projects? Should I make a local filter and whitelist all integrated projects? Not a silly question at all, quite the opposite. One way to filter traffic is to

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list (summary so far)

2013-11-15 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/15/2013 02:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev * People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions * Traffic would drop by about 25% I'm not so convinced about this figure, as others pointed out. * Removes confusion as to

Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] Automatically post new threads from AskBot to the list

2013-11-19 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/19/2013 08:19 AM, Julie Pichon wrote: I've been thinking about the AskBot UX website [0] and its lack of visibility, particularly for new community members. Indeed, it's one of the drawbacks of splitting groups: information tends not to flow very well. I think it would be valuable to

Re: [openstack-dev] Propose project story wiki idea

2013-11-20 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/19/2013 09:33 PM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: The idea of this proposal is that every OpenStack project should have story wiki page. It means to publish every week one short message that contains most interesting updates for the last week, and high level road map for future week. So reading

Re: [openstack-dev] welcoming new committers

2013-12-03 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/31/2013 11:49 AM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: Another idea that Tom suggested is to use gerrit automation to send back to first time committers something in addition to the normal 'your patch is waiting for review' message. The message could be something like: [...] Tom sent a patch

Re: [openstack-dev] Fwd: Fwd: Debian people don't like bash8 as a project name (Bug#748383: ITP: bash8 -- bash script style guide checker)

2014-06-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu 12 Jun 2014 03:53:35 PM PDT, Morgan Fainberg wrote: I understand your concerns here, and I totally get what you’re driving at, but in the packaging world wouldn’t this make sense to call it python-bash8? Now the binary, I can agree (for reasons outlined) should probably not be named

[openstack-dev] [metrics] How to group activity in git/gerrit repositories

2014-06-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks, we're working on a quarterly report of activities in all our git and gerrit repositories to understand the dynamics of contributions across different dimensions. This report will be similar to what Bitergia produced at release time. I'd like to discuss more widely the format of how

Re: [openstack-dev] [metrics] How to group activity in git/gerrit repositories

2014-06-13 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 06/13/2014 05:57 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: That section of the file used to be organized in to separate lists for incubated, integrated, and other repositories. We changed it when we started tracking the incubation and integration dates. So it seems like just listing them under sahara as

Re: [openstack-dev] [metrics] How to group activity in git/gerrit repositories

2014-06-16 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Fri 13 Jun 2014 10:51:24 AM PDT, Stangel, Dan wrote: You can also refer to the example of Stackalytics, who have created their own hierarchy and groupings for metrics reporting: https://github.com/stackforge/stackalytics/blob/master/etc/default_data.json It's a very neat grouping. It seems

Re: [openstack-dev] New Contributor Agreement is not working?

2014-06-17 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hi Sami, sorry for this. I suspect there is something going on with gerrit which throws the inappropriate error message (more below). On 06/17/2014 12:57 AM, Sami J. Mäkinen wrote: For several weeks now, I just always get an error message included below. In these cases and in general, don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra] [3rd Party] Log retention with 3rd party testing

2014-06-17 Thread Stefano Maffulli
[trimming reply-to to OpenStack Development since I don't think that infra is the right venue to discuss this] On 06/13/2014 10:08 AM, trinath.soman...@freescale.com wrote: I have two scenarios to deal with. [1] A change takes two months or more to get merged into the master branch. Here,

Re: [openstack-dev] New Contributor Agreement is not working?

2014-06-17 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 06/17/2014 10:45 AM, Sami J. Mäkinen wrote: Yay. I really just had to become a new OpenStack Foundation Member. The error message I got is just not too informative, I could not help thinking there is something really broken. Right, unfortunately the error message from gerrit cannot be

Re: [openstack-dev] [metrics] How to group activity in git/gerrit repositories

2014-06-17 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 06/16/2014 12:25 PM, Ilya Shakhat wrote: Most of groups are created from the official programs http://programs.yaml.yaml. Every program turns into item in the module list (colored in violet), for example 'Nova Compute' is a group containing 'nova', 'python-novaclient' and 'nova-specs'.

[openstack-dev] [metrics] Re: [nova][all] Tracking bug and patch statuses

2014-06-19 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Looks like something we can add to Activity reports, if you think it's useful. At the moment there are fairly simple charts for bugs but querying the database to find stale bugs and their reviews shouldn't be too hard. If I understand correctly, you're querying LP to get the bugs in status:

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Specs repo

2014-07-07 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 07/03/2014 03:34 PM, Sumit Naiksatam wrote: Is this still the right repo for this: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs No. The right repo is: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/ github is used only as copy for convenience and things may break there. /stef --

[openstack-dev] Emails sent to publicly archived mailing lists are *NOT* confidential Re: [third-party-ci][neutron] What is Success exactly?

2014-07-07 Thread Stefano Maffulli
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Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] Commit messages and lawyer speak

2014-07-08 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 07/07/2014 11:30 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: Also, CLA's are pointless. Let's be clear: this is your personal opinion, not that of the OpenStack project nor of the OpenStack Foundation. From OpenStack project's perspective, CLAs are not pointless, they're mandated by bylaws and by years of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Sahara] Master-instance: Service hadoop-* not running

2014-07-14 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Mon 14 Jul 2014 09:14:38 AM PDT, Dat Tran wrote: I install openstack icehouse, then install sahara. I create cluster, it worked! But [...] This is the wrong list to report problems while using openstack. use openstack-dev only to discuss the future of OpenStack, even if you area a

[openstack-dev] Resources to fix MS Outlook (was Re: [Nova] [Gantt] Scheduler split status (updated))

2014-07-15 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 07/15/2014 09:02 AM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: Unfortunately, much as I agree with your sentiment (Death to MS Outlook) my IT overlords have pretty much forced me into using it. It's been a while since I had to deal with really awful software but since the is a common problem, shall we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Specs approved for Juno-3 and exceptions

2014-07-24 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 07/23/2014 06:22 AM, Kyle Mestery wrote: Thanks for sending this out Salvatore. We are way oversubscribed, and at this point, I'm in agreement on not letting any new exceptions which do not fall under the above guidelines. Given how much is already packed in there, this makes the most

[openstack-dev] [Off Topic] Women Who Code, San Francisco, looking for mentors

2014-07-25 Thread Stefano Maffulli
In the lead up to the next round of the GNOME Outreach Program for Women (application deadline 10/22/2014), the group is hosting a series of meetups around getting involved in free and open source software development. Given OpenStack's committment to Outreach Program for Women, we're looking for

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