Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
to land for release cycle / organizational reasons. Thoughts? -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
is one such tool, simple enough to understand. Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] What's happening with stable release management?

2014-08-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
tarball ASAP. I took down the wrong one. Sorry for the inconvenience... the issues here are not a policy problem, they are just human error in the original tag, complicated by CI staleness that made us think we fixed it while we didn't. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Simple proposal for stabilizing new features in-tree

2014-08-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
patchsets, but which can be set or unset by any core/driver/ptl (to be determined). So if the PTL sets the procedural Workflow-2 at feature freeze, I can clear it when RC1 is published. Not sure that's supported in Gerrit though :) -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
this world. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Retrospective veto revert policy

2014-08-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Dan Smith wrote: Looks reasonable to me. +1 +1 -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Task_Lists -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
single OpenStack release so far), we have struggled to have the visibility, long-term thinking and discipline to stick to it in the past. If you look at the post-summit plans and compare to what we end up in a release, you'll see quite a lot of differences :) -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] stable branches failure to handle review backlog

2014-08-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
and will follow them. He also signs up to do enough of them to limit the opportunistic and accidental issues. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][core] Expectations of core reviewers

2014-08-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
private gathering. The goal of the workshop would be published in advance, and people could opt to join that. It would be totally optional. Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
convergence we struggle in adoption. We need to understand why, and if this is fixable. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo] official recommendations to handle oslo-incubator sync requests

2014-08-20 Thread Thierry Carrez
bugs and security issues. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-20 Thread Thierry Carrez
now, and the very few resources that have the unique combination of knowledge and will/time to spend on those is quickly dying of burnout. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-20 Thread Thierry Carrez
with an existing openstack project sounds like a recipe for making sure openstack doesn't mean anything upstream anymore. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Heat] Murano split dsicussion

2014-08-21 Thread Thierry Carrez
. Let's wait for the feedback of the affected programs to see if it's compatible with their own plans. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-21 Thread Thierry Carrez
Zane Bitter wrote: On 11/08/14 05:24, Thierry Carrez wrote: This all has created a world where you need to be*in* OpenStack to matter, or to justify the investment. This has created a world where everything and everyone wants to be in the OpenStack integrated release. This has created more

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron] Migration from nova-network to Neutron for large production clouds

2014-08-21 Thread Thierry Carrez
to be staggered to keep availability levels What minimal level of hot would be acceptable to you ? -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-21 Thread Thierry Carrez
would still have programs (teams) and projects (the code repos that team is working on). -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [oslo] Launchpad tracking of oslo projects

2014-08-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
-- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
. That encourages everyone to find a lazy consensus. That part of the PTL job works. Let's fix the part that doesn't work (scaling/burnout). -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
clear and public that there is a gap. Today the gap just ends up on the PTL's list of other things to also do. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 02:33:27PM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, We all know being a project PTL is an extremely busy job. That's because in our structure the PTL is responsible for almost everything in a project: - Release management contact - Work

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
Zane Bitter wrote: On 22/08/14 08:33, Thierry Carrez wrote: We also still need someone to have the final say in case of deadlocked issues. -1 we really don't. I know we disagree on that :) People say we don't have that many deadlocks in OpenStack for which the PTL ultimate power

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Heat Juno Mid-cycle Meetup report

2014-08-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
by polling. Could you expand on that ? Do you need some kind of user-facing queue service, or is there something in the marc^WZaqar approach that makes it especially appealing ? -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
practices. In smaller programs, I would expect the PTL to keep filling most, if not all, of those roles. As long as the PTL is not overworked, the roles are well-known and everyone knows who to contact, it works. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
). But then if things go badly wrong, you require the TC to step in with threats of removal of OpenStack and/or to force an election/vote in the middle of the crisis. I'm really failing to see how that would result, in those hypothetical crisis scenarios, in a better outcome. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
it the way it is (with the PTL being responsible for all those duties), it's totally fine. It's a framework for clear delegation within the current system, not a whole new system :) -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Procedure for adding official projects

2014-08-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
a basic new projects in existing program requirements list as a governance repo change ? Then we could iterate on it. Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] Launchpad tracking of oslo projects

2014-08-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 22, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: TL;DR: Let's create an Oslo projectgroup in Launchpad to track work across all Oslo libraries. In library projects, let's use milestones connected to published versions rather than the common

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
don't think we need a role for logistics (chairing meetings and organizing meetups), design summit planning, roadmapping, user point of contact, or spokesperson -- as I expect the PTL to retain those roles anyway... -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack

[openstack-dev] [infra] [keystone] pysaml2/xmlsec1 dep blocking keystone-to-keystone federation

2014-08-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
doable would a migration to saml at this point be ? I'm trying to find a solution so that we can ship this feature :) Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin

[openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-27 Thread Thierry Carrez
me know. Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] Launchpad tracking of oslo projects

2014-08-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
Thierry Carrez wrote: Doug Hellmann wrote: This makes sense to me, so let’s move ahead with your plan. OK, this is now done: Project group @ https://launchpad.net/oslo Oslo incubator: https://launchpad.net/oslo-incubator oslo.messaging: https://launchpad.net/oslo.messaging General blueprint

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] gate debugging

2014-08-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
, or documenting/mentoring other people so that they can do it in your place. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
. [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProjectTypes -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
that discussion before, and I know there is a dangerous potential quality slope there -- I just fail to see any other solution to bring that 750/21=36 figure down to a bearable level, before we burn out all of the Nova core team. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: On 08/28/2014 03:06 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/28/2014 02:21 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 08/28/2014 01:58 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 11:34 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Aug 27, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Day 1. Cross-project sessions

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Anne Gentle wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org mailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about what changes we can bring to the Design Summit format to make it more productive. I've heard the feedback from

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
about is not really about Project Types anyway. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] change to deprecation policy in the incubator

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
design summit time? Sure, that's what Anne probably meant. Time for the program behind every incubated project. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-09-01 Thread Thierry Carrez
that the Governance repo is canonical and up-to-date, and rework the wiki pages based on the information in the Governance repo? Yes, the governance repository reflects the current governance. The wiki pages are derived from it. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

[openstack-dev] [all] Juno Feature freeze is coming - Last day for feature reviews !

2014-09-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
. That really means *today is the last day for feature reviews*. So please plan that extra review effort today, rather than tomorrow ! Thanks everyone for helping us do a successful Juno release. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-09-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hayes, Graham wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-29 at 17:56 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hayes, Graham wrote: Would the programs for those projects not get design summit time? I thought the Programs got Design summit time, not projects... If not, can the Programs get design summit time? Sure, that's

Re: [openstack-dev] [releases] pbr, postversioning, integrated release workflow

2014-09-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
commits). Let me know what you think, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [all] Juno Feature freeze - stop approving random changes

2014-09-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
monkey) to untarget all features that are not already gating: only features with approved patches stuck in the gate will be kept on the list. Thanks for helping us do a successful Juno release! -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] New meeting rotation starting next week

2014-09-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
on that? Should we reboot the project? -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
want to say that in OpenStack, organizational structure reflects how we work, not the other way around. If we need to reorganize official project structure to work in smarter and long-term healthy ways, that's a really small price to pay. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
(yet) apply to currently-integrated projects... -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-09-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
and where we use all the summit space available for pods :) -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
on to another project) We'll have to design some novel pod-switching algorithm, but I kinda want to know how many pods we can have before we start designing. I'm visiting the space again on Monday. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Brainstorming summit sessions

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
release to finalize the summit schedule, so plenty of time. Also there will be Kilo PTLs elections in the middle of this (end of September), and the Kilo themes are actually a Kilo PTL thing. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
Tim Bell wrote: -Original Message- From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] Sent: 04 September 2014 16:59 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting Sean Dague wrote: [...] So

[openstack-dev] Feature freeze + Juno-3 milestone candidates available

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
at the impossible task of keeping the Nova ship straight in troubled waters while we head toward the Juno release port. Regards, [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureFreeze [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze [3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DepFreeze -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
. Please note that the Kernel subsystem model is actually a trust tree based on 20 years of trust building. OpenStack is only 4 years old, so it's difficult to apply the same model as-is. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Feature Freeze Exception process for Juno

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
every time you go to support a FFE. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][feature freeze exception] Proposal for using Launcher/ProcessLauncher for launching services

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
of sense but it also has a lot of documentation consequences. If it was ready to merge and had the necessary reviews piled up I would +1 this but the way it stands now (and given Glance's current review velocity) I'm more leaning towards -1. Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][FFE] glance_store switch-over and random access to image data

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
, and the current Glance review velocity is not exactly feeding my hopes. +0 as far as I'm concerned, and definitely -1 if it takes more than one week. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [Sahara][FFE] Requesting exception for Swift trust authentication blueprint

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] List of granted FFEs

2014-09-06 Thread Thierry Carrez
It would also be great if the contents of that list matched the Launchpad milestone page we use to track progress on them: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-rc1 Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Feature freeze + Juno-3 milestone candidates available

2014-09-06 Thread Thierry Carrez
On Sep 5, 2014 3:30 PM, Matt Riedemann mrie...@linux.vnet.ibm.com mailto:mrie...@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote: On 9/5/2014 5:10 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, We just hit feature freeze[1], so please do not approve changes that add features or new

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] non-deterministic gate failures due to unclosed eventlet Timeouts

2014-09-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
and will cause unexpected behaviours (see [1]) like gate failures. In our case this caused non-deterministic failures on the dsvm-functional test suite. Nice catch, John! -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [cinder] new cinderclient release this week?

2014-09-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Griffith wrote: Yes, now that RC1 is tagged I'm planning to tag a new cinderclient tomorrow. I'll be sure to send an announcement out as soon as it's up. You mean, now that juno-3 is tagged ;) RC1 is still a few weeks and a few dozens bugfixes away. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Designate][Horizon][Tempest][DevStack] Supporting code for incubated projects

2014-09-09 Thread Thierry Carrez
again. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
technical debt that others have mentioned as goals -- generally polishing what we have rather than building out new things. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
, to be honest. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] webnumbr bug graphs appear dead for bug triage

2014-09-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
to come back? Or should we just purge those links? It used to be a convenient way to graph bug stats from launchpad over time. But I think the service died. So yes, links can probably be purged now. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
in adding additional repositories. But I agree there is little point in discussing splitting virt drivers (or anything else, really) until the internal interface below that potential split is fully cleaned up and it becomes an option. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Request for J3 FFE - add reset-state function for backups

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
absolutely needs to be in Juno ? Feels like a nice-to-have to me, and I fear we are past that point now. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
perspective case, having a project doing A+B and a project doing A doesn't solve anything. So this affects the decision we have to take next Tuesday... Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
seems like the right course of action. We shouldn't graduate if there is any risk we would end up with ZaqarV1 in Kilo, and then have to deprecate it for n cycles just because it was shipped in the official release and therefore inherits its API deprecation rules. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Request for J3 FFE - add reset-state function for backups

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Duncan Thomas wrote: On 12 September 2014 09:54, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: At this point, unless it's critical to the success of the release (like, it completes a feature that is 99% there, or it increases consistency by plugging a feature gap, or it fixes a potential

[openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit planning

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
think this is wrong and think the design summit suggestion website is a better way to do it, let me know why! If some programs really can't stand the 'etherpad/IRC' approach I'll see how we can spin up a limited instance. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-dev][Cinder] FFE request for adding Huawei SDSHypervisor driver and connector

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
/108609 I would say it's way too late at this point for a new driver in Juno. At this point we should be focused on fixing what we already have, not add more surface. Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit planning

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
, as long as it's a public document and you can link to it. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit planning

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Russell Bryant wrote: On 09/12/2014 07:37 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: If you think this is wrong and think the design summit suggestion website is a better way to do it, let me know why! If some programs really can't stand the 'etherpad/IRC' approach I'll see how we can spin up a limited

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit planning

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
it affects are quite affected, so I do feel it is time to mention it. I think those discussions could happen in a cross-project workshop. We'll run 2 or 3 of those in parallel all day Tuesday, so there is definitely room there. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Request for J3 FFE - NetApp: storage pools for scheduler

2014-09-15 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mike Perez wrote: On 14:24 Fri 05 Sep , Alex Meade wrote: Hi Cinder Folks, I would like to request a FFE for cinder pools support with the NetApp drivers[1][2]. Looks like this is being reviewed now. Looks like it merged, so I retroactively added it to RC1. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][neutron][cinder] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-15 Thread Thierry Carrez
responsible for smaller areas of code is the way to go. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Ipset, merge refactor for J?

2014-09-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
at this point in the cycle. The risk/benefit ratio is too high, and focus should be on bugfixing at this point. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
to be in. Having a clear channel where all the gate liaisons hang out and all issues are discussed may go a long way into establishing a team to work on that (rather than continue to rely on the same set of willing individuals). -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit planning

2014-09-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
day on Thursday to continue the discussions. I CCed Tom for more input on that. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [requirements][horizon] Dependency freeze exceptions

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
of a disruption that would cause to them at this point. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo final releases ready

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
though, I just need to add a new tag, which isn't much of a problem for me (since I use a git based workflow). The 1.4.0.0a5 is confusing... :( According to Donald Stufft PEP 440 now allows 1.4.0.a5 now so we may not need that extra 0 anymore. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
that Zaqar won't naturally mutate to support that use case. The Zaqar team has shown great willingness to adapt in order to support more use cases, but I guess there may be architectural design choices that would just mean starting over ? -- Thierry Carrez (ttx

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
). The OpenStack project could be the big tent. We keep the TC, the ATCs concepts the same. That was a long answer, but then so was your original post :P -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
at step 0, with projects banging on the TC door to become special, and companies not allocating resources to anything that's not special. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [requirements][horizon] Dependency freeze exceptions

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Thierry Carrez wrote: Radomir Dopieralski wrote: I would like to request dependency freeze exceptions for the following patches for Horizon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121509/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122410/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113184/ They are all

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [RFC] Kilo release cycle schedule proposal

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
2015.1 (Kilo) release: Apr 23 L Design Summit: May 18-22 All milestones avoid known US holiday weekends. Let me know if I missed something or if you see major issues with this proposal. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) kilo.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Stepping down as PTL

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
dare pull a Joe Heck and disappear on us now. :) -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
of the Technical Committee, and get the right to elect TC members in return. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Robert Collins wrote: On 19 September 2014 22:29, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: ... current Heat team is not really interested in maintaining them. What's the point of being under the same program then ? And TripleO is not the only way to deploy OpenStack, but its mere existence

Re: [openstack-dev] [requirements][horizon] Dependency freeze exceptions: django-openstack-auth

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Akihiro Motoki wrote: I would like to request dependency freeze exceptions for django-openstack-auth. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123101/ This arguably counts as an internal library. We are freezing those now (well, last Friday was the deadline), so +1 on this one. -- Thierry Carrez

Re: [openstack-dev] [RFC] Kilo release cycle schedule proposal

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: On 09/23/2014 02:56 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, Rather than waste a design summit session about it, I propose we review the proposed Kilo release cycle schedule on the mailing-list. See attached PDF for a picture of the proposal. The hard date the proposal

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: One

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [RelMgt] PTL candidacy

2014-09-24 Thread Thierry Carrez
and build reusable tooling for everyone else to be able to handle releases. These are interesting times :) Thanks for taking the time to read this! -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

[openstack-dev] [Swift] 1.11.0 release candidate

2013-12-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
://github.com/openstack/swift/tree/milestone-proposed Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

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