Re: [openstack-dev] [congress] Jenkins failure

2014-08-19 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Some docs got merged last night. I think that if you fetch the latest and rebase that you’ll end up with conflicts that you need to resolve manually. The Readme file has changed a lot, so I’m sure git doesn’t know how to merge your changes in. Tim On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Rajdeep Dua

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy Enforcement logic

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Madhu, For the alpha release (due soon), we’re focusing on just monitoring policy violations—we’ve disabled all the enforcement code in master. (Though we never actually hooked up the enforcement policy to the real world, so all Congress has ever done is compute what actions to take to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy Enforcement logic

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Jay, We have a tutorial in review right now. It should be merged in a couple of days. Thanks for the suggestion! Tim On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:54 AM, Jay Lau jay.lau@gmail.commailto:jay.lau@gmail.com wrote: I know that Congress is still under development, but it is better that it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Ramp-up strategy

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Madhu, We have an end-user tutorial in review right now. That should help you get started understanding the end-to-end flow a bit better. Look for it to be merged today or tomorrow. Tim On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Madhu Mohan mmo...@mvista.commailto:mmo...@mvista.com wrote: Hi,

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Upcoming alpha release

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, We're aiming for an alpha release of Congress tomorrow (Friday). If you have a spare server and a little time, it’d be great if you could try it out: install it, write some policies, run tests, etc. If you could send some feedback along the following lines, that would be helpful. 1.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy Enforcement logic

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Hinrichs
? Thanks. 2014-08-21 23:56 GMT+08:00 Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com: Hi Jay, We have a tutorial in review right now. It should be merged in a couple of days. Thanks for the suggestion! Tim On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:54 AM, Jay Lau jay.lau

[openstack-dev] [all] Alpha release of Congress

2014-09-03 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Contributors (IRC, Reviews, Code): Sergio Cazzolato (sjcazzol) Peter Balland (pballand) Mohammad Banikazemi (banix) Rajdeep Dua (rajdeep) Conner Ferguson (Radu) Tim Hinrichs (thinrichs) Gokul Kandiraju (gokul) Harrison Kelly (harrisonkelly) Prabhakar Kudva (kudva) Susanta Nanda (skn) Sean Roberts (sarob

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Alpha release of Congress

2014-09-04 Thread Tim Hinrichs
: Congrats! Will appear in J or K? And will there's an interface in horizon? Thanks! On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com wrote: Hi all, The alpha release of Congress is now available! We'd love any and all feedback. Components and Features

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Nominating Aaron Rosen for congress-core

2014-09-12 Thread Tim Hinrichs
+1 Tim On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Sean Roberts seanrobert...@gmail.com wrote: +1 ~sean On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Peter Balland pball...@vmware.com wrote: Hello, I would like to nominate Aaron Rosen for the congress-core team. Aaron has been involved in congress for the

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [policy] Policy-group relationship

2013-12-17 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Inline. - Original Message - | From: Mohammad Banikazemi m...@us.ibm.com | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Cc: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Sent:

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][policy] Policy-Rules discussions based on Dec.12 network policy meeting

2013-12-17 Thread Tim Hinrichs
- Original Message - | From: Prasad Vellanki prasad.vella...@oneconvergence.com | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:11:37 PM | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][policy] Policy-Rules

[openstack-dev] [neutron] [policy] Complementary or alternative semantics?

2014-01-06 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Over the holidays I realized there's something about the proposed Neutron policy API that I don't understand. Is the proposed API complementary to the core API, or is it intended to be an alternative? By complementary, I mean that a user can create a bunch of networks, subnets, and ports and

[openstack-dev] [neutron] [policy] More conflict resolution

2014-01-23 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, Today on the Neutron-policy IRC, we ran into some issues that we wanted all your feedback on (and as I was writing this note several more occurred to me). It's the problem of conflict resolution: different policies making different decisions about what to do. We have a conflict

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [policy] More conflict resolution

2014-01-29 Thread Tim Hinrichs
priority has a similar effect. Hmmm... leaving the priorities the same seems problematic, but changing the priorities seems problematic too; not sure what to do here. Tim | | my 2 cents, | Manuel | | From: Tim Hinrichs [thinri...@vmware.com] | Sent

[openstack-dev] [Congress] IRC meeting moved

2014-02-25 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, Last week we moved the Congress IRC meeting time to every other Tuesday at 17:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting-3 (that's an hour earlier than it was previously). But we neglected to mail out the new time, and it doesn't look like anyone remembered the time change. So I'll hang around at

[openstack-dev] [Congress] status and feedback

2014-02-25 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, I wanted to send out a quick status update on Congress and start a discussion about short-term goals. 1) Logistics IRC Meeting time Tuesday 1700 UTC in openstack-meeting-3 Every other week starting Feb 25 (Note this is a new meeting time/location.) 2) We have two design docs, which we

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack][Runtime Policy] A proposal for OpenStack run time policy to manage compute/storage resource

2014-02-25 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Jay, The Congress project aims to handle something similar to your use cases. I just sent a note to the ML with a Congress status update with the tag [Congress]. It includes links to our design docs. Let me know if you have trouble finding it or want to follow up. Tim - Original

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack][Runtime Policy] A proposal for OpenStack run time policy to manage compute/storage resource

2014-02-26 Thread Tim Hinrichs
-measures that can be done | for decreasing load and preserving QoS of nodes. | | | That said, maybe I'm wrong ? | | | [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/solver-scheduler | | | | 2014-02-26 1:09 GMT+01:00 Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com : | | | | | Hi Jay, | | The Congress

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack][Runtime Policy] A proposal for OpenStack run time policy to manage compute/storage resource

2014-02-28 Thread Tim Hinrichs
. | | | | | [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler | | | | Thanks, | | | Jay | | | | 2014-02-27 1:48 GMT+08:00 Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com : | | | Hi Jay and Sylvain, | | The solver-scheduler sounds like a good fit to me as well. It clearly | provisions resources

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack][Runtime Policy] A proposal for OpenStack run time policy to manage compute/storage resource

2014-03-05 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Yathiraj and Tim, Really appreciate your comments here ;-) I will prepare some detailed slides or documents before summit and we can have a review then. It would be great if OpenStack can provide DRS features. Thanks, Jay 2014-03-01 6:00 GMT+08:00 Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-12 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, We started a discussion on IRC yesterday that I'd like to continue. The main question is what kind of policy does a Congress user actually write? I can see three options. The first two focus on actions (API calls that make changes to the state of the cloud) and the last focuses on

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-12 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Prabhakar, Thanks for the feedback. I'd be interested to hear what other policy types you have in mind. To answer your questions... We're planning on extending our policy language in such a way that you can use Python functions as conditions (atom in the grammar) in rules. That's on my

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Data Integration]

2014-03-12 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Rajdeep, This is an great problem to work on because it confronts one of the assumptions we're making in Congress: that cloud services can be represented as a collection of tables in a reasonable way. You're asking good questions here. More responses inline. Tim - Original

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-13 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Prabhakar, I'm not sure the functionality is split between 'policy' and 'server' as cleanly as you describe. The 'policy' directory contains the Policy Engine. At its core, the policy engine has a generic Datalog implementation that could feasibly be used by other OS components. (I don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-17 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Prabhakar, One big piece we're missing in terms of code right now is the Data Integration component. The job of this component is to integrate data sources available in the cloud so that tables like nova:virtual_machine, neutron:owner, etc. reflect the information stored in Nova, Neutron,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Prabhakar, No IRC meeting this week. Our IRC is every *other* week, and we had it last week. Though there's been enough activity of late that maybe we should consider making it weekly. I'll address the rest later. Tim - Original Message - | From: prabhakar Kudva

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Prabhakar, Found time for a more detailed response. Comments are inline. Tim - Original Message - | From: Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:31:34

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-19 Thread Tim Hinrichs
response. Comments are inline. | | Tim | | - Original Message - | | From: Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com | | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) | | openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | | Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:31:34 AM | | Subject: Re

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-19 Thread Tim Hinrichs
/1f2xokl9Tc47aV67KEua0PBRz4jsdSDLXth7dYe-jz6Q/edit# Tim - Original Message - | From: Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:05:23 AM | Subject: [Congress

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types

2014-03-27 Thread Tim Hinrichs
: Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Policy types | | Hi Prabhakar, | | Found time for a more detailed response. Comments are inline. | | Tim | | - Original Message - | | From: Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com | | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions

[openstack-dev] Congress: an open policy framework

2013-11-02 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi OpenStackers, We've been working on an open policy framework for OpenStack that we're calling Congress. We've been talking with OpenStack users and several of our partners to understand the kinds of rules and regulations they envision enforcing with a policy-based management framework.

Re: [openstack-dev] Congress: an open policy framework

2013-11-13 Thread Tim Hinrichs
questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:10:01 PM | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Congress: an open policy framework | | | | | | | On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com | wrote: | | | | On 02/11/13 21:31 -0700, Tim

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Group-based Policy Sub-team Meetings

2013-11-13 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Are there plans for a concrete policy language (e.g. a grammar and semantics) to be part of the proposal, or does each plugin to Neutron supply its own policy language? I'm trying to envision how Heat would utilize the policy API. If there's a concrete policy language, then Heat can take an

Re: [openstack-dev] Congress: an open policy framework

2013-11-14 Thread Tim Hinrichs
AM, Tim Hinrichs | thinri...@vmware.com wrote: | We're just getting started with Congress and understanding how it | will integrate with the OS ecosystem, but here's our current | thinking about how Congress relates to Oslo's policy engine and | to Keystone. Comments and suggestions are welcome

Re: [openstack-dev] Congress: an open policy framework

2013-11-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Inline. - Original Message - | From: Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com | To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:46:02 PM | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Congress: an open policy framework | | On 11/14/2013 11:39 AM, Tim Hinrichs wrote: | I completely agree

[openstack-dev] [neutron] Group-based Policy language

2013-11-21 Thread Tim Hinrichs
At the Neutron group-based policy proposal meeting today, we discussed whether or not the proposal should include a concrete policy language. We decided to send a note to the list to get additional feedback. The proposed API extension includes the ability to insert/delete policy statements.

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Use Cases

2014-06-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, We’ve been working on developing a list of use cases for Congress, which we’ve also started voting on so as to prioritize our efforts. Please feel free take a look, leave feedback, add to the list, vote, whatever.

[openstack-dev] [Congress] data-source renovation

2014-07-29 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, As I mentioned in a previous IRC, when writing our first few policies I had trouble using the tables we currently use to represent external data sources like Nova/Neutron. The main problem is that wide tables (those with many columns) are hard to use. (a) it is hard to remember

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Integration Demo

2014-07-31 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Madhu, Sounds like you’re doing some good stuff! We’d love to have you involved. Here’s the status of the items you mentioned. - We’re about to merge a keystone/devstack integration. - We have an HTTP API merged. - arosen was working on a python-client; not sure how far along that is. -

Re: [openstack-dev] [NFV] - follow up on scheduling discussion

2014-06-10 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, I see that many of the use cases require information from different OS components, e.g. networking, compute, and storage. One thing to think about is where those constraints are written/stored and how the data the constraints depend on is pulled together. The Congress project might

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][policy][keystone] Better Policy Model and Representing Capabilites

2014-10-14 Thread Tim Hinrichs
First, some truth in advertising: I work on Congress (policy as a service), so I’ve mostly given thought to this problem in that context. 1) I agree with the discussion below about creating a token that encodes all the permitted actions for the user. The cons seem substantial. (i) The token

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][policy][keystone] Better Policy Model and Representing Capabilites

2014-10-14 Thread Tim Hinrichs
That was really helpful background. Thanks! I’d be happy to look into using Congress to implement what we’ve discussed: caching policy.json files, updating them periodically, and answering queries about the roles required to be granted access to a certain kind of action. I think we have the

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress] kilo design session

2014-10-23 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Works for me. Tim P. S. Pardon the brevity. Sent from my mobile. On Oct 22, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Sean Roberts seanrobert...@gmail.com wrote: We are scheduled for Monday, 03 Nov, 14:30 - 16:00. I have a conflict with the “Meet the Influencers” talk that runs from 14:30-18:30, plus the GBP

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone] New Policy Administration Service

2014-11-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Based on the thread entitled [all][policy][keystone] Better Policy Model and Representing Capabilites from October 20, I wrote some code to pull a policy.json file into Congress and figure out what roles are necessary to give access to a specific API call. So if bundling this kind of

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Reactive enforcement specs

2014-11-20 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, Recently there’s been quite a bit of interest in adding reactive enforcement to Congress: the ability to write policies that tell Congress to execute actions to correct policy violations. We’re planning to add this feature in the next release. I wrote a few specs that split this work

Re: [openstack-dev] [policy] [congress] Protocol for Congress -- Enactor

2014-11-20 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Thanks for the summary Greg—that was great! Here’s my take. It would be great if all the services Congress interacts with implemented the same protocol and used the same policy/data language. It is worth our time to figure out what that protocol and language should be. But we should not

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Re: Placement and Scheduling via Policy

2014-12-16 Thread Tim Hinrichs
on these lines. Maybe take a look at how I tried to breakdown the problem into separate questions in bullet (1) below and see if that makes sense. Tim Prabhakar From:Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com To:ruby.krishnasw

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Re: Placement and Scheduling via Policy

2014-12-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
=gSzCqpS6tRMB8r5xNbeWoNcpobYiFYvOFpo3QBmvm0Ms=mdMcHh7nMTJv8PmY0i8NpQXP9_gpUpI3gxEec6zyt7Ae= Tim Regards Ruby De : Tim Hinrichs [mailto:thinri...@vmware.com] Envoyé : mardi 16 décembre 2014 19:25 À : Prabhakar Kudva Cc : KRISHNASWAMY Ruby IMT/OLPS; Ramki Krishnan (r...@brocade.commailto:r...@brocade.com); Gokul B

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Re: Placement and Scheduling via Policy

2014-12-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
efforts wrt to trying out a Congress integration for Nova placements. Thanks, Yathi. On 12/16/14, 10:24 AM, Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com wrote: [Adding openstack-dev to this thread. For those of you just joining… We started kicking around ideas for how we might

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] simulate examples

2014-12-23 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Here's a description. We need to get this added to the docs. Below is a full description of how you might utilize the Action-centric version of simulate. The idea is that if you describe the effects that an action/API-call will have on the basic tables of nova/neutron/etc. (below called an

[openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Google doc for working notes

2015-02-11 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, A (growing) group of folks are interested in working on the problem of delegating policy from Congress to domain-specific policy engines. We started looking at an NFV use case: migrating VMs to reduce energy consumption. In particular we’re looking into building a VM-placement policy

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress][Policy][Copper]Collaboration between OpenStack Congress and OPNFV Copper

2015-02-11 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Zhipeng, We’d be happy to meet. Sounds like fun! I don’t know of anyone on the Congress team who is planning to attend the LF collaboration summit. But we might be able to send a couple of people if it’s the only real chance to have a face-to-face. Otherwise, there are a bunch of us in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Google doc for working notes

2015-02-12 Thread Tim Hinrichs
~ Dutta dedu...@cisco.commailto:dedu...@cisco.com Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 4:48 PM To: Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com Cc: Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi) yud...@cisco.commailto:yud...@cisco.com, Gokul B Kandiraju go...@us.ibm.commailto:go...@us.ibm.com, Prabhakar

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress][Policy][Copper]Collaboration between OpenStack Congress and OPNFV Copper

2015-02-12 Thread Tim Hinrichs
for that. TBD Thanks, Bryan Sullivan | Service Standards | ATT From: Tim Hinrichs [mailto:thinri...@vmware.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:22 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: SULLIVAN, BRYAN L; HU, BIN; Rodriguez, Iben; Howard Huang Subject: Re: [openstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Google doc for working notes

2015-02-17 Thread Tim Hinrichs
implementation (of a policy) read it in directly? Ruby De : Tim Hinrichs [mailto:thinri...@vmware.com] Envoyé : jeudi 12 février 2015 19:03 À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Objet : Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Google doc for working notes Hi Debo and Yathiraj

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Google doc for working notes

2015-02-13 Thread Tim Hinrichs
. The Congress side would take care of translating Datalog to that LP problem. Right? Tim Thanks, Yathi. On 2/12/15, 10:02 AM, Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com wrote: Hi Debo and Yathiraj, I took a third look at the solver-scheduler docs and code with your comments

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress][Policy][Copper]Collaboration between OpenStack Congress and OPNFV Copper

2015-02-13 Thread Tim Hinrichs
ahead of F2F LFC summit.We could have the crash course early next week (Monday or Tuesday), and then Bryan could discuss with Sean in detail when they met, with specific questions. Would this be ok for everyone ? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress][Policy][Copper]Collaboration between OpenStack Congress and OPNFV Copper

2015-02-15 Thread Tim Hinrichs
? On Feb 14, 2015 8:04 AM, Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com wrote: Hi Zhipeng, Sure we can talk online Mon/Tue. If you come up with some times the Copper team is available, I’ll do the same for a few of the Congress team. We’re usually available 9-4p Pacific, and for me

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] [Delegation] Meeting scheduling

2015-03-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
be set and delegated by Congress to solver scheduler via the set_policy API. or the Solver Scheduler can query Congress via a get_policy API to get this policy, and incorporate it as part of the solver scheduler workflow ? Does this sound doable ? Thanks, Yathi. On 3/16/15, 11:05 AM, Tim

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] [Delegation] Meeting scheduling

2015-03-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
. Then the solver-scheduler could pick up the constraint? This then will not require the “solver scheduler” to implement specific constraint classes such as “MemoryCapacityConstraint”. We may have rules (not in sense of Datalog ☺ ) for name (e.g. variables or constants) generation? Ruby De : Tim Hinrichs

[openstack-dev] [Congress] [Delegation] Meeting scheduling

2015-03-16 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, The feedback on the POC delegation proposal has been mostly positive. Several people have asked for a meeting to discuss further. Given time zone constraints, it will likely be 8a or 9a Pacific. Let me know in the next 2 days if you want to participate, and we will try to find a day

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] [Delegation] Meeting scheduling

2015-03-20 Thread Tim Hinrichs
doable ? Thanks, Yathi. On 3/16/15, 11:05 AM, Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com wrote: Hi all, The feedback on the POC delegation proposal has been mostly positive. Several people have asked for a meeting to discuss further. Given time zone constraints

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][congress][group-policy] Fetching policy from a remote source

2015-03-16 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Adam, For the most part we've been looking at Congress policy as complementary to Oslo policy, so we haven’t yet tried to incorporate Oslo policy into Congress (though I did some experiments with that a while back). But looking forward, it would definitely be convenient if there were some

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Info on Currently Supported Data Drivers

2015-03-24 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Bryan, I wish we could claim Congress has most of the data from OpenStack APIs already available for policy, but that’s not the case today. If it were me, I’d start with your use cases, figure out which services and API calls you’ll need to support those use cases, and then check if those

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Info on Currently Supported Data Drivers

2015-03-24 Thread Tim Hinrichs
': 'volume_type', 'description': 'None'} | | || +---++ BR Zhou Zhenzan From: Tim Hinrichs [mailto:thinri...@vmware.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:07 AM

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Info on Currently Supported Data Drivers

2015-03-25 Thread Tim Hinrichs
for is: openstack congress datasource list Please let us know if you are running into any issue. Thanks Pierre On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:39 PM Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.commailto:thinri...@vmware.com wrote: Hi Zhenzan, I don't have the CLI in front of me, but check out the 'driver' commands

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress]How to add tempest tests for testing murano driver

2015-03-02 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Hong, Aaron started working on this, but we don’t have anything in place yet, as far as I know. He’s a starting point. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157166/ Tim On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Wong, Hong hong.w...@hp.commailto:hong.w...@hp.com wrote: Hi Aaron, I am new to congress and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Initial workflow design

2015-03-02 Thread Tim Hinrichs
of migrating to the new solution is worth the cost. And of course there’s a difference between the PoC and the long-term solution. I don’t know what the right answer is for the PoC. Suggestions? Tim Ruby De : Tim Hinrichs [mailto:thinri...@vmware.com] Envoyé : jeudi 26 février 2015 19:17 À

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Initial workflow design

2015-03-02 Thread Tim Hinrichs
an entire table to an arbitrary slice of a table (expressed via Datalog). That functionality will be necessary for dealing with large datasources like Ceilometer. But we don’t have the design fleshed out or the people to build it. Tim Thanks, Ramki From: Tim Hinrichs [mailto:thinri

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Initial workflow design

2015-03-02 Thread Tim Hinrichs
, The document is in great shape! Any global policies such as those impacting compute and network (e.g. CPU utilization and network bandwidth utilization) would be handled in Congress and not delegated. It would be worthwhile to capture this. Thanks, Ramki From: Tim Hinrichs [mailto:thinri

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Initial workflow design

2015-02-26 Thread Tim Hinrichs
substantially. Tim Ruby De : Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi) [mailto:yud...@cisco.com] Envoyé : mardi 24 février 2015 20:01 À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions); Tim Hinrichs Cc : Debo Dutta (dedutta) Objet : Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress][Delegation] Initial workflow design

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Info on Currently Supported Data Drivers

2015-03-24 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Bryan, Inline. On Mar 24, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Bryan Sullivan bls...@hotmail.commailto:bls...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a question about where to find the complete set of currently supported data drivers (with table/row details) for Congress. The info at

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Cores

2015-04-28 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, I'm nominating Alex Yip for core status in Congress. He's active on IRC and gerrit, fixes important bugs routinely, and developed a number of key features for the project: - added a DSL that makes writing datasource-drivers much easier - improved scale-up performance by orders of

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] On dynamic policy, role hierarchies/groups/sets etc.

2015-05-06 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, Inline. From: Adam Young ayo...@redhat.commailto:ayo...@redhat.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 8:34 PM To:

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] On dynamic policy, role hierarchies/groups/sets etc. - Role Assignment

2015-05-08 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi David, See below. On 5/7/15, 1:01 AM, David Chadwick d.w.chadw...@kent.ac.uk wrote: Hi Tim On 06/05/2015 21:53, Tim Hinrichs wrote: I wondered if we could properly protect the API call for adding a new Role using the current mechanism. So I came up with a simple example. Suppose we

[openstack-dev] [Congress] summit events

2015-05-12 Thread Tim Hinrichs
For those of you interested in the Congress events at the summit, here's a list. That list is also available at: https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/?s=congress 1. Talks (On delegation) Helping Telcos go Green and save OpEx via Policy Wed, May 20 2:40-3:20, Room 110

[openstack-dev] [Congress] PTL candidacy

2015-04-06 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, I'm writing to announce my candidacy for PTL of Congress for the Liberty cycle. We've made a lot of progress in Kilo, and I'm excited by what we'll achieve in Liberty! To give us some perspective, I compiled a (partial) list of improvements we made in Kilo: * Officially became part

[openstack-dev] [Congress] [Delegation] Progress on PoC

2015-04-08 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, I've been making steady progress on the pieces of the delegation PoC that I volunteered for. Here's the usual design doc for reference. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ksDilJYXV-5AXWON8PLMedDKr9NpS8VbT0jIy_MIEtI/edit# My main tasks were to spearhead the creation of a skeleton for

Re: [openstack-dev] Dynamic Policy for Access Control Subteam Meeting

2015-06-03 Thread Tim Hinrichs
, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-06-03 13:34:11 -0400: On 06/03/2015 12:10 PM, Tim Hinrichs wrote: I definitely buy the idea of layering policies on top of each other. But I'd worry about the long-term feasibility

Re: [openstack-dev] Dynamic Policy for Access Control Subteam Meeting

2015-06-03 Thread Tim Hinrichs
I definitely buy the idea of layering policies on top of each other. But I'd worry about the long-term feasibility of putting default policies into code mainly because it ensures we'll never be able to provide any tools that help users (or other services like Horizon) know what the effective

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] summit events

2015-06-09 Thread Tim Hinrichs
the Telco talk. Are slides for those talks available online? On May 12, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Tim Hinrichs thinri...@vmware.com wrote: (On delegation) Helping Telcos go Green and save OpEx via Policy Wed, May 20 2:40-3:20, Room 110 https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event

Re: [openstack-dev] Dynamic Policy for Access Control Subteam Meeting

2015-06-04 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Inline. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/04/2015 08:52 AM, Adam Young wrote: On 06/04/2015 06:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/03/2015 08:40 PM, Tim Hinrichs wrote: As long as there's some way to get the *declarative* policy from the system (as a data

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Mid-cycle sprint

2015-06-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
team. Hotels might be a bit of an issue, as we are getting close, and they are starting to book up, but the BU admin has let us know that we can get dorm space is people so desire. On 06/16/2015 05:13 PM, Tim Hinrichs wrote: Hi all, In the last couple of IRCs we've been talking about

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Mid-cycle sprint

2015-06-19 Thread Tim Hinrichs
for other external services that don’t use oslo.messaging notification to publish changes and are willing to integrate with Congress this way. Anyway, I can upload my draft bp for review at first. Thanks. BR Zhou Zhenzan *From:* Tim Hinrichs [mailto:t...@styra.com] *Sent:* Wednesday

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Hands-on-lab setup instructions

2015-06-24 Thread Tim Hinrichs
At the IRC this week, Bryan asked how he could replicate the environment we used at the Vancouver hands-on-lab. So we added some basic instructions at the end of the lab write-up. https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1lXmMkUhiSZYK45POd5ungPjVR--Fs_wJHeQ6bXWwP44/pub Bryan: hope that helps.

[openstack-dev] [Congress] IRC on 6/30 canceled

2015-06-26 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, Since almost all the cores are on vacation next week, we're canceling the IRC meeting on 6/30. Expect slow responses for reviews and email all next week. Tim __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress] table with named parameters in rule's left side ?

2015-06-11 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Radek, 1. You can't use column references on any table except those created by a datasource, mainly because Congress doesn't know the name of the columns for those tables. We've kicked around the idea of letting policy-writers declare the column names of any table, but it's trickier than it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] summit events

2015-06-15 Thread Tim Hinrichs
these links are available on the wiki. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Congress Tim On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 7:51 AM D'ANDREA, JOE (JOE) jdand...@research.att.com wrote: Tim, On Jun 9, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Tim Hinrichs t...@styra.com wrote: Hi Joe, The telco slides are powerpoint

[openstack-dev] [Congress] Mid-cycle sprint

2015-06-16 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, In the last couple of IRCs we've been talking about running a mid-cycle sprint focused on enabling our message bus to span multiple processes and multiple hosts. The message bus is what allows the Congress policy engine to communicate with the Congress wrappers around external services

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] Mid-cycle sprint

2015-06-17 Thread Tim Hinrichs
thoroughly (even replacing DSE). Thanks. BR Zhou Zhenzan *From:* Tim Hinrichs [mailto:t...@styra.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2015 05:14 *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* [openstack-dev] [Congress] Mid-cycle sprint Hi all

[openstack-dev] [congress] mid cycle Sprint dates

2015-07-01 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all! We settled on dates and location for the Congress mid cycle sprint: Aug 6-7 VMware campus, Palo Alto, CA Please RSVP if you plan to come so we can get a headcount. Hope to see you there! Tim __ OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Murano][Congress] Application placement use case

2015-07-06 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Sorry--hit the Send button by accident. Hi Gosha, This definitely sounds like an interesting use case for Congress. Keep in mind that Congress doesn't itself do placement (though we did some experimentation with that [1][2]). Some thoughts. 1. Let's suppose Murano/Congress/etc. allow us

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress] mid cycle Sprint dates

2015-07-06 Thread Tim Hinrichs
AM Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2015-07-01 15:40:31 + (+), Tim Hinrichs wrote: We settled on dates and location for the Congress mid cycle sprint: [...] Invoking the spirit of Thierry, please remember to add it to the list at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki

Re: [openstack-dev] [Murano][Congress] Application placement use case

2015-07-06 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Gosha, This definitely sounds like an interesting use case for Congress. Keep in mind that Congress doesn't itself do placement (though we did some experimentation with that [1][2]). Some thoughts. 1. Let's suppose Murano/Congress/etc. allow us to figure out which app should be deployed in

[openstack-dev] [Congress] [Murano] multiple numbers of arguments for table

2015-08-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, We're contemplating a small syntax change in the Congress policy language and wanted to see if it would cause anyone problems. Currently you can write rules that give a single table differing numbers of columns. In the following example, the 'error' table has both 1 column and 2

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress] [murano] Congress jenkins job is failing

2015-08-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Looks like we merged a database schema change without the migration script. I'm on it. (We'll get our tempest tests running in gate again ASAP.) Tim On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:36 AM Filip Blaha filip.bl...@hp.com wrote: Hi Congress team. Our jenkins job testing integration congress and

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress] [murano] Congress jenkins job is failing

2015-08-18 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi Filip, I just submitted a revert of the problematic change. Once it merges, all should be well again. Sorry for the trouble. Tim On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:57 AM Tim Hinrichs t...@styra.com wrote: Looks like we merged a database schema change without the migration script. I'm

Re: [openstack-dev] [congress][requirements] Requirements proposal job fails

2015-08-20 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Thanks for sorting that out. +1ed the change. Tim On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:53 PM Andreas Jaeger a...@suse.com wrote: On 08/20/2015 09:32 PM, Robert Collins wrote: It was just removed from global requirements, because it was not used. That's clearly wrong. So let's refer that and add it

[openstack-dev] [Congress] meeting time change

2015-07-31 Thread Tim Hinrichs
Hi all, We managed to find a day/time where all the active contributors can attend (without being up too early/late). The room, day, and time have all changed. Room: #openstack-meeting-2 Time: Wednesday 5p Pacific = Thursday midnight UTC Next week we begin with this new schedule. And don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [Congress] meeting time change

2015-07-31 Thread Tim Hinrichs
. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Congress_Team_Meeting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207981/ Tim On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:24 AM Tim Hinrichs t...@styra.com wrote: Hi all, We managed to find a day/time where all the active contributors can attend (without being up too early/late). The room

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