Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-09-02 Thread Day, Phil
to then prioritize what needs to be implemented then they do have a useful role to play. Phil From: Boris Pavlovic [mailto:bpavlo...@mirantis.com] Sent: 28 August 2014 23:13 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-09-01 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Aug 29, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-31 Thread Dugger, Donald D
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On Aug 29, 2014 10:42 AM, Dugger, Donald D donald.d.dug...@intel.commailto:donald.d.dug...@intel.com wrote: Well, I think that there is a sign of a broken (or at least bent) process and that's what I'm trying to expose

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly describe in the Wiki the process and workflow for the BP approval process

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 03:44:25PM -0400, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I’ll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented (

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 04:27:59PM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:07:33AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly describe in

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
Going a bit further up the thread where we are still talking about spec reviews and not code reviews... On 28 August 2014 21:42, Dugger, Donald D donald.d.dug...@intel.com wrote: I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a problem with the process. We got two

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
On 28 August 2014 21:58, Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com wrote: On 08/28/2014 02:25 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:05 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: The overall scheduler-lib Blueprint is marked with a high priority at http://status.openstack.org/release/;. Hopefully that would

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Zane Bitter
On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about where their priorities are. I don't know enough about the Nova review situation to say if the process is broken or not. But I can

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about where their priorities are. I don't know enough about the Nova review situation to say

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Dugger, Donald D
@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Kevin Benton
I think the point is that if there were discussions that lead to uncertainty about the split, they should have resulted in a - 1/-2 on the spec instead of letting it sit there. On Aug 29, 2014 9:46 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 28/08/14

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
I think this is now more about code reviews, but this is important... On 29 August 2014 10:30, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:07:33AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Dugger, Donald D
esse decisse. - D. Gale Ph: 303/443-3786 -Original Message- From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:35 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? Going

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? Going a bit further up the thread where we are still talking about spec reviews and not code reviews... On 28 August 2014 21:42, Dugger, Donald D donald.d.dug...@intel.com wrote: I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Sylvain Bauza
lifeSorry folks, I just had a new daughter since Thursday so I'm on PTO until Monday, so thanks to the people who discussed about the blueprint I created and how we can avoid the problem raised by Don for Kilo. /life Answers inline. Le 29/08/2014 19:42, John Garbutt a écrit : I think this is

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Joe Gordon
...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:43 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:04:57AM +, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I'll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ )

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:04:57AM +, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I'll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there is a

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I’ll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ ) and, unfortunately,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 01:44 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and no negative reviews is dropped because of what looks like indifference. I would posit

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/28/2014 04:05 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: On 08/28/2014 01:44 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and no negative reviews is dropped because of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 02:25 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:05 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: On 08/28/2014 01:44 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Jay Pipes
Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:44 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I'll try and not whine about my pet project

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 03:02 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about where their priorities are. Or it could be that they haven't looked at it, aren't aware of it, or haven't been paying

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/28/2014 03:02 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about where

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
decisse. - D. Gale Ph: 303/443-3786 -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:44 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
] Sent: August-28-14 10:43 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a problem with the process. You submit a BP and then you have

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Joe Gordon
questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a problem with the process. You submit a BP and then you have no idea of what is happening and no way of addressing any issues. If the priority

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Boris Pavlovic
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a problem with the process. You submit a BP and then you have no idea of what is happening

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly describe in the Wiki the process and workflow for the BP

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly describe

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what

[openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-27 Thread Dugger, Donald D
I'll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ ) and, unfortunately, the BP has been rejected and we'll have to try