Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
On 08/15/2014 08:51 AM, Steve Gordon wrote: - Original Message - From: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info To: openStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our development conversations. OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0]. No alterations: When using OpenStack Marks, you shall never vary the spelling, hyphenation or spacing of the any portion of the marks. Examples of Improper Display of an OpenStack Mark: Open-Stack; Open Stack; OS Stack Examples of Proper Display of an OpenStack Mark: OpenStack; OPENSTACK While this comes from the OpenStack Trademark Policy, I think it is important to remember this information and to implement it in our daily use. I have had to change at least one wikipage so far, it is far easier if folks simply employ the correct usage from the beginning. My thanks, Anita. [0] http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-trademark-policy/ Hi Anita, I noticed you raised this issue on this thread but didn't really understand why: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043087.html Can you explain? The os types being referred to were the operating system types supported by VMware. -Steve ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Hi Steve: Yes I see that now in the context of the thread. Mostly this is my mistake. I have seen the acronym used incorrectly so often the use in the subject line confused me and I posted partly to clarify for my own purposes and partly to set a data point for those who are using the acronym to mean openstack in an attempt to acknowledge its correct usage. I didn't mean to disturb the flow of conversation in your thread and if I have done so, please accept my apology. Thanks Steve, Anita. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our development conversations. OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0]. No alterations: When using OpenStack Marks, you shall never vary the spelling, hyphenation or spacing of the any portion of the marks. Examples of Improper Display of an OpenStack Mark: Open-Stack; Open Stack; OS Stack Examples of Proper Display of an OpenStack Mark: OpenStack; OPENSTACK While this comes from the OpenStack Trademark Policy, I think it is important to remember this information and to implement it in our daily use. I have had to change at least one wikipage so far, it is far easier if folks simply employ the correct usage from the beginning. My thanks, Anita. [0] http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-trademark-policy/ ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
No alterations: When using OpenStack Marks, you shall never vary the spelling, hyphenation or spacing of the any portion of the marks. Examples of Improper Display of an OpenStack Mark: Open-Stack; Open Stack; OS Stack Examples of Proper Display of an OpenStack Mark: OpenStack; OPENSTACK When used in marketing, sales, and other business contexts, I obviously agree. This is proper use and license of a trademark. While this comes from the OpenStack Trademark Policy, I think it is important to remember this information and to implement it in our daily use. I have had to change at least one wikipage so far, it is far easier if folks simply employ the correct usage from the beginning. On wiki pages and other published medium -- absolutely. For our daily use in IRC and other casual discussion? Lets not get pedantic. -- Regards, Eric Windisch ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
- Original Message - From: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info To: openStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our development conversations. OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0]. No alterations: When using OpenStack Marks, you shall never vary the spelling, hyphenation or spacing of the any portion of the marks. Examples of Improper Display of an OpenStack Mark: Open-Stack; Open Stack; OS Stack Examples of Proper Display of an OpenStack Mark: OpenStack; OPENSTACK While this comes from the OpenStack Trademark Policy, I think it is important to remember this information and to implement it in our daily use. I have had to change at least one wikipage so far, it is far easier if folks simply employ the correct usage from the beginning. My thanks, Anita. [0] http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-trademark-policy/ Hi Anita, I noticed you raised this issue on this thread but didn't really understand why: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043087.html Can you explain? The os types being referred to were the operating system types supported by VMware. -Steve ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0]. Except in the nova API code, where 'os' means 'openstack'. I too think that policing the use of abbreviations is silly. It's a confusing abbreviation, but seriously... --Dan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 10:38:20 AM: OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our development conversations. OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0]. ... I have seen OS for OpenStack from the start. Just look at the environment variables that the CLI reads. Regards, Mike ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
On 08/15/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 10:38:20 AM: OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our development conversations. OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0]. ... I have seen OS for OpenStack from the start. Just look at the environment variables that the CLI reads. Yep, it's quite common and I think it's fine in the right context. -- Russell Bryant ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
On 08/15/2014 09:12 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/15/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 10:38:20 AM: OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our development conversations. OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0]. ... I have seen OS for OpenStack from the start. Just look at the environment variables that the CLI reads. Yep, it's quite common and I think it's fine in the right context. I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the right context. The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded to my initial post thus far?). If the people making the decisions about when to use which term were clear on the context, I doubt highly that I would have been motivated to post. However I am seeing confusion in the ability to chose terms appropriate to context and wanted to do something if I could (sometimes I can't and sometimes I outright fail) before too much more assumption-of-agreement-due-to-lack-of-stated-disagrement took place. I'm open to suggestion as to how to create a situation in which everyone understands the right context. Right now I am feeling there is a gap and it is only getting wider. Thanks for sharing your thoughts so far everyone, I'm glad to get a chance to talk about this. Anita. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 01:08:44 PM: ... I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the right context. The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded to my initial post thus far?). I suffered from an instance of this confusion myself when I was just getting started, and have seen colleagues get confused too. I suspect this problem hits many newcomers. Regards, Mike ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
On 08/15/2014 01:28 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 01:08:44 PM: ... I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the right context. The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded to my initial post thus far?). I suffered from an instance of this confusion myself when I was just getting started, and have seen colleagues get confused too. I suspect this problem hits many newcomers. but surely when it comes to learning OpenStack itself, the OpenStack community, dev processes, tools, etc this has got to be extremely far down the list of barriers to entry. -- Russell Bryant ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote on 08/15/2014 01:49:40 PM: ... but surely when it comes to learning OpenStack itself, the OpenStack community, dev processes, tools, etc this has got to be extremely far down the list of barriers to entry. No argument there. I am spending decimal orders of magnitude more time looking for a working concrete example of using DevStack to install OpenStack with Neutron inside a VM so that the nested VMs can talk to the outside world. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack
I really think we have much bigger fish to fry than to start policing community shorthand where nearly every meeting and communication is typed. That's just my two cents for what it's worth. Mahalo, Adam *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 08/15/2014 01:28 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 01:08:44 PM: ... I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the right context. The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded to my initial post thus far?). I suffered from an instance of this confusion myself when I was just getting started, and have seen colleagues get confused too. I suspect this problem hits many newcomers. but surely when it comes to learning OpenStack itself, the OpenStack community, dev processes, tools, etc this has got to be extremely far down the list of barriers to entry. -- Russell Bryant ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
