Re: [openstack-dev] Should we be using subprocess32?

2017-09-15 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2017-09-14 16:18:35 -0600:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:29:22AM -0700, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I know there is a bunch of usage of subprocess in openstack and especially
> > since there is heavy usage of python 2.7 it made me wonder if we should try
> > to move to subprocess32 to avoid some of the bugs that seem to exist (maybe
> > distributors backported them?):
> > 
> > For example a major one (seems to be):
> > 
> > - https://github.com/google/python-subprocess32/commit/6ef1fea55
> > 
> > """Popen.wait() is now thread safe so that multiple
> > 
> >   threads may be calling wait() or poll() on a Popen instance at the same
> > time
> >   without losing the Popen.returncode value.
> > """
> > 
> > That one concerns me slightly, because I know that certain openstack
> > projects do use threads (and not eventlet monkey-patched green-thread
> > hybrids).
> > 
> > TLDR; should we (could we?) switch?
> 
> We could.  It wouldn't be hard to propose a change to the requirements
> repo and that could be used to test what breaks.
> 
> As to should we I'm not convinced.  It does give us a slightly more
> modern subprocess module but it hasn't been updated in nearly 2 years.
> I get that it's a backport from 3.3 which isn't getting updated but ...
> 
> Also it means adding something like:
> if os.name == 'posix' and sys.version_info[0] < 3:
> import subprocess32 as subprocess
> else:
> import subprocess
> 
> All over the place which isn't so great.
> 
> So overall I'm not certain it's worth it.
> 
> Yours Tony.

We might get more value by continuing the migration to python 3 so we
can drop python 2 support.

Doug

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Re: [openstack-dev] Should we be using subprocess32?

2017-09-14 Thread Tony Breeds
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:29:22AM -0700, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I know there is a bunch of usage of subprocess in openstack and especially
> since there is heavy usage of python 2.7 it made me wonder if we should try
> to move to subprocess32 to avoid some of the bugs that seem to exist (maybe
> distributors backported them?):
> 
> For example a major one (seems to be):
> 
> - https://github.com/google/python-subprocess32/commit/6ef1fea55
> 
> """Popen.wait() is now thread safe so that multiple
> 
>   threads may be calling wait() or poll() on a Popen instance at the same
> time
>   without losing the Popen.returncode value.
> """
> 
> That one concerns me slightly, because I know that certain openstack
> projects do use threads (and not eventlet monkey-patched green-thread
> hybrids).
> 
> TLDR; should we (could we?) switch?

We could.  It wouldn't be hard to propose a change to the requirements
repo and that could be used to test what breaks.

As to should we I'm not convinced.  It does give us a slightly more
modern subprocess module but it hasn't been updated in nearly 2 years.
I get that it's a backport from 3.3 which isn't getting updated but ...

Also it means adding something like:
if os.name == 'posix' and sys.version_info[0] < 3:
import subprocess32 as subprocess
else:
import subprocess

All over the place which isn't so great.

So overall I'm not certain it's worth it.

Yours Tony.


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[openstack-dev] Should we be using subprocess32?

2017-09-12 Thread Joshua Harlow

Hi folks,

I know there is a bunch of usage of subprocess in openstack and 
especially since there is heavy usage of python 2.7 it made me wonder if 
we should try to move to subprocess32 to avoid some of the bugs that 
seem to exist (maybe distributors backported them?):


For example a major one (seems to be):

- https://github.com/google/python-subprocess32/commit/6ef1fea55

"""Popen.wait() is now thread safe so that multiple

threads may be calling wait() or poll() on a Popen instance at the same time
without losing the Popen.returncode value.
"""

That one concerns me slightly, because I know that certain openstack 
projects do use threads (and not eventlet monkey-patched green-thread 
hybrids).


TLDR; should we (could we?) switch?

-Josh

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[openstack-dev] Should we be using subprocess32?

2017-09-12 Thread Joshua Harlow

Hi folks,

I know there is a bunch of usage of subprocess in openstack and 
especially since there is heavy usage of python 2.7 it made me wonder if 
we should try to move to subprocess32 to avoid some of the bugs that 
seem to exist (maybe distributors backported them?):


For example a major one (seems to be):

- https://github.com/google/python-subprocess32/commit/6ef1fea55

"""Popen.wait() is now thread safe so that multiple

  threads may be calling wait() or poll() on a Popen instance at the 
same time

  without losing the Popen.returncode value.
"""

That one concerns me slightly, because I know that certain openstack 
projects do use threads (and not eventlet monkey-patched green-thread 
hybrids).


TLDR; should we (could we?) switch?

-Josh

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