Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-28 Thread Vladimir Kozhukalov
Oleg, In 6.0 we build OS target images during Fuel ISO building and then we just put them on the ISO. In 6.1 we are planning to build them (at least Ubuntu one) on the master node. We deliberately don't use DIB because it is all about cloud case. DIB downloads pre-built cloud images (ubuntu,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-27 Thread Andrew Woodward
I don't see this as crazy, it's not a feature of the cloud, its a mechanism to get us there. It's not even something that most of the time anyone sees. Continuing to waste time supporting something we are ready to replace, and have been testing for a release already is crazy. It adds to the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-27 Thread Vladimir Kozhukalov
Andrew is right about our ability to upgrade packages on a system using yum update or apt-get upgrade because IBP installs standalone OS (unlike cloud case). Even more, we'll build Ubuntu images on a master node by 6.1 and of course we'll be able to use actual repo for that. Vladimir Kozhukalov

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-27 Thread Vladimir Kozhukalov
Guys, First, we are not talking about deliberate disabling preseed based approach just because we so crazy. The question is What is the best way to achieve our 6.1 goals? We definitely need to be able to install two versions of Ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04. Those versions have different sets of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-27 Thread Oleg Gelbukh
Gentlemen, I have one small question about IBP, and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but still: how do you plan to build the images for the image-based provisioning? Will you leverage diskimage-builder https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder or some other tool? Thanks, --

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-26 Thread Vladimir Kozhukalov
Subject is changed. Vladimir Kozhukalov On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Vladimir Kozhukalov vkozhuka...@mirantis.com wrote: Dear Fuelers, As you might know we need it to be possible to install several versions of a particular OS (Ubuntu and Centos) by 6.1 As far as having different OS

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-26 Thread Vladimir Kozhukalov
My suggestion is to make IBP the only option available for all upcoming OpenStack releases which are defined in openstack.yaml. It is to be possible to install OS using kickstart for all currently available OpenStack releases. Vladimir Kozhukalov On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Igor Kalnitsky

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-26 Thread Igor Kalnitsky
Just want to be sure I understand you correctly: do you propose to FORBID kickstart/preseed installation way in upcoming release at all? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Vladimir Kozhukalov vkozhuka...@mirantis.com wrote: Subject is changed. Vladimir Kozhukalov On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:55

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-26 Thread Sergii Golovatiuk
Until we are sure IBP solves operation phase where we need to deliver updated packages so client will be able to provision new machines with these fixed packages, I would leave backward compatibility with normal provision. ... Just in case. -- Best regards, Sergii Golovatiuk, Skype #golserge

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-26 Thread Vladimir Kuklin
I would also go through normal deprecation process, thus marking it as deprecated and disabled by default. But I would leave an opportunity to enable it. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Sergii Golovatiuk sgolovat...@mirantis.com wrote: Until we are sure IBP solves operation phase where we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-26 Thread Igor Kalnitsky
+1 to Sergii. It's completely a crazy idea to replace one feature with another and don't provide a fallback mode. We have no data how it works on the user side in real life. I think it could be marked as deprecated, but it definitely must be present at least one release yet. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of kickstart/preseed for all NEW releases

2015-01-26 Thread Andrew Woodward
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Sergii Golovatiuk sgolovat...@mirantis.com wrote: Until we are sure IBP solves operation phase where we need to deliver updated packages so client will be able to provision new machines with these fixed packages, I would leave backward compatibility with normal