Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-15 Thread Geoff O'Callaghan
On 13/01/2015 3:45 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: There's really no way to _force_ official logging on all project-related channels. People who are opposed to the idea simply move their conversations to new channels. They'll straddle the line between somewhat official looking and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Griffith wrote: Also just to reiterate something that Sean pointed out that's bugged me for a while proliferation of channels and what I view as limited usage of openstack-dev. Honestly I think it's more detrimental to have all the silos of communication going on as opposed to all

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote: This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and which channel have we moved to questions when a different slot is required. Yep, once every team has its meeting in a separate channel, they'll all be Tuesday at 1900 UTC and you

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Louis Taylor
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:54:13AM -0700, John Griffith wrote: I'd echo all the points made regarding logging shouldn't be a problem; we're an Open Source project so the idea of our communication being public making anybody nervous and not wanting to participate seems really off to me. Yes

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread John Griffith
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Dave Walker [mailto:em...@daviey.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 15:10 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging On 13

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Kuvaja, Erno
-Original Message- From: Dave Walker [mailto:em...@daviey.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 15:10 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging On 13 January 2015 at 12:32, Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com wrote: I'm

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread John Griffith
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote: This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and which channel have we moved to questions when a different slot is required. Yep, once every team has its

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote: Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels, [...] Ahem, it's four now BTW. ;) -- Jeremy Stanley __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Sean Dague
On 01/13/2015 01:25 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote: This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and which channel have we moved to questions when a different slot is required. Yep, once every team has its meeting in a separate

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Martin Geisler
Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com writes: I'm heavily against the public logging to the level that I will just leave the channel if that will be enabled. My point is not foul language and I do understand that there could be some benefits out of it. Personally I think we have enough tracked public

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:32:23PM +, Kuvaja, Erno wrote: I think the major benefits of this defined audience are: 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. ( Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need to explain to anyone

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 08:27:58AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. ( Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Kuvaja, Erno
logging Thanks Cindy! Glance cores, can you all please pitch in? -Nikhil From: Cindy Pallares [cpalla...@redhat.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:28 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. ( Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need to explain to anyone reading the logs what you actually meant during the conversation month ago. 2) there is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Sean Dague
On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. ( Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need to explain to anyone reading the logs what you actually meant during

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Sean Dague
On 01/13/2015 08:23 AM, Kuvaja, Erno wrote: -Original Message- From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] Sent: 13 January 2015 13:02 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] 1) One does not need

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 13/01/15 08:27 -0500, Sean Dague wrote: On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. ( Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need to explain to anyone

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Chris Dent
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: Yep, there have been a number of occassions when conversations that are relevant to my work have taken place on IRC channels for projects that I don't normally participate in. It would have been useful to be able to see the logs and in some cases

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Kuvaja, Erno
-Original Message- From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] Sent: 13 January 2015 13:02 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Dave Walker
On 13 January 2015 at 12:32, Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com wrote: I'm heavily against the public logging to the level that I will just leave the channel if that will be enabled. My point is not foul language and I do understand that there could be some benefits out of it. Personally I think we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Ian Cordasco
0, 1, 2, and 3. 3 channels. I think Sean has this correct. On 1/13/15, 14:36, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 01/13/2015 03:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote: Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels, [...]

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-13 Thread Sean Dague
On 01/13/2015 03:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote: Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels, [...] Ahem, it's four now BTW. ;) Like I said, I hang out in 3 meeting channels. :) -Sean -- Sean Dague

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
*From:* David Stanek [dsta...@dstanek.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:43 PM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging It's also important to remember

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-12 Thread Nikhil Komawar
+1 to Flavio's proposal. Thanks, -Nikhil From: Flavio Percoco [fla...@redhat.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:16 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging On 09/01/15 12:11

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
There's really no way to _force_ official logging on all project-related channels. People who are opposed to the idea simply move their conversations to new channels. They'll straddle the line between somewhat official looking and official enough to require logging. -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-09 Thread Joshua Harlow
*To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not private and are likely already logged by dozens of people anyway. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Aedo ca

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-09 Thread Brian Rosmaita
From: David Stanek [dsta...@dstanek.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:43 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not private and are likely already

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-07 Thread David Stanek
It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not private and are likely already logged by dozens of people anyway. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Aedo ca...@mirantis.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: Fully

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-06 Thread Flavio Percoco
the need of meetings where decisions and more relevant/important topics are discussed. From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-06 Thread Christopher Aedo
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: Fully agree... I don't see how enable logging should be a limitation for freedom of thought. We've used it in Zaqar since day 0 and it's bee of great help for all of us. The logging does not remove the need of meetings

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Louis Taylor
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 05:42:02AM -0600, Cindy Pallares wrote: I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it didn't seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not discussed in the mailing

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Nikhil Komawar
; please do not take me any other way. Thanks, -Nikhil From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging On 01/05/2015 06:42 AM, Cindy

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Cindy Pallares
| -Original Message- | From: Morgan Fainberg [mailto:morgan.fainb...@gmail.com] | Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:58 AM | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging | | | | On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Morgan Fainberg
. I do admit it is used less frequently than the meeting logs. --Morgan Sent via mobile From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Nikhil Komawar
, January 05, 2015 11:57 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote: Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the project

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Amrith Kumar
| To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging | | | | On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com | wrote: | | Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the | project channel

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Nikhil Komawar
Thanks Cindy! Glance cores, can you all please pitch in? -Nikhil From: Cindy Pallares [cpalla...@redhat.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:28 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging I've made

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

2015-01-05 Thread Anita Kuno
On 01/05/2015 06:42 AM, Cindy Pallares wrote: Hi all, I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it didn't seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not discussed in the mailing list. A