Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-20 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 03/10/2014 04:10 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
 A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive

I think by 100% inclusive you mean getting the right people for the
problem to solve in the room. I would support that objective. Do you
think there are some key people who would need help to participate in
these sort of mini-events? Let's talk about how to fix that

   * Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget?
 Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?

The Foundation can always be involved. I warn you though that in
general, anything that needs to happen *at* the Summit or immediately
before/after it that is not already scheduled is not going to generate
waves of enthusiasm from Foundation's staff.We're all operating at 150%
resources and the closer we get to the dates the more we overheat :)

That said, we've been experimenting with mid-cycle meetings, for infra
team, docs team, operators... We've done them on an ad-hoc basis but if
this becomes a thing that the community needs, I don't have a problem
imagining the mini-summits as a program at the Foundation, with
budget/resources assigned to them.

   * As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not
 enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the
 case, I would prefer to make changes on the organization of the
 summit instead of creating mini-summits all around!

Yeah, I'm interested about this, too. I have the feeling that the answer
can be simply the scale issue: we went from a Design Summit with ~200
people and 4 projects to discuss, to ~700 people and over a dozen
programs. I have no idea about the solution though, and I'd love to have
a mini summit[1] to discuss how to solve it.

On 03/10/2014 03:57 PM, Paul Voccio wrote:
 I get the idea that we should be open and discuss things
 transparently, but I’m not quite following the reasoning that there
 shouldn’t be mini-summits just because not everyone would be able to
 attend.

I actually think we need to have more in person meetings during the
cycle. I think there is always a way to circle back ideas to remote
participants and the wider community, on IRC and mailing lists before
making any decision 'official'.

Seriously, I think we need to talk more about this. Topic for
summit.openstack.org?

/stef

[1] I'm not kidding

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-19 Thread Stephen Balukoff
If a mini-summit is held (no matter when), I'll try to make it in person.
Failing that, if a google hangout is set up, I ought to be able to attend
that way.

(And... it's good to be back, eh!)

Stephen


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

 That sounds like a good idea Mark!
 Yes, please do not do it during the World Cup at least the meeting is in
 Brazil  :-)

 Edgar

 On 3/13/14 2:11 PM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:

 
 On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
  regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
  after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
  designs that are discussed at the regular summit.
 
 I¹ve been working some of the others on the core team to setup another
 Neutron mid-cycle meet up. Like the last one, this will be focused on
 writing/reviewing code for important Juno blueprints (so those who can¹t
 travel can still participate).  The trouble with finding dates in late
 May to early July dates is there are a number of large regional OpenStack
 events, other conferences, and the World Cup (we do have a several
 football fans on the team).  I hope that we¹ll be able to share the
 information with everyone soon.
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-13 Thread Jorge Miramontes
Hey everyone,

Now that the thread has had enough time for people to reply it appears that the 
majority of people that vocalized their opinion are in favor of a mini-summit, 
preferably to occur in Atlanta days before the Openstack summit. There are 
concerns however, most notably the concern that the mini-summit is not 100% 
inclusive (this seems to imply that other mini-summits are not 100% inclusive). 
Furthermore, there seems to be a concern about timing. I am relatively new to 
Openstack processes so I want to make sure I am following them. In this case, 
does majority vote win? If so, I'd like to further this discussion into 
actually planning a mini-summit. Thoughts?

Cheers,
--Jorge

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Hangouts  worked well at the nova mid-cycle meetup. Just make sure you have 
your network situation sorted out before hand. Bandwidth and firewalls are what 
comes to mind immediately.

-Mike


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Tom Creighton 
tom.creigh...@rackspace.commailto:tom.creigh...@rackspace.com wrote:
When the Designate team had their mini-summit, they had an open Google Hangout 
for remote participants.  We could even have an open conference bridge if you 
are not partial to video conferencing.  With the issue of inclusion solved, 
let’s focus on a date that is good for the team!

Cheers,

Tom Creighton


On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Edgar Magana 
emag...@plumgrid.commailto:emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

 Eugene,

 A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
   • Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? 
 Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?
   • If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to 
 make changes at not cost.
   • Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
   • As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not 
 enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I 
 would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of 
 creating mini-summits all around!
 I could continue but I think these are good enough.

 I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for 
 developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very 
 hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the 
 summit.
 The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have session 
 about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste of good 
 time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about topics that 
 are still not clear.
 I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy 
 to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones 
 will be just a declaration of intents.

 Thanks,

 Edgar

 From: Eugene Nikanorov 
 enikano...@mirantis.commailto:enikano...@mirantis.com
 Reply-To: OpenStack List 
 openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
 Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
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 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

 Hi Edgar,

 I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
 Why do you think it will exclude developers?
 If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city) 
 that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
 OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions, 
 unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
 For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents, 
 but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.

 What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
 I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days prior 
 OS summit.

 Thanks,
 Eugene.



 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana 
 emag...@plumgrid.commailto:emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:
 Team,

 I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
 a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
 The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
 together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
 NOT afford another trip for a special summit. I am personally against
 that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
 IRC and mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-13 Thread Jay Pipes
On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 20:06 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
 Now that the thread has had enough time for people to reply it appears
 that the majority of people that vocalized their opinion are in favor
 of a mini-summit, preferably to occur in Atlanta days before the
 Openstack summit. There are concerns however, most notably the concern
 that the mini-summit is not 100% inclusive (this seems to imply that
 other mini-summits are not 100% inclusive). Furthermore, there seems
 to be a concern about timing. I am relatively new to Openstack
 processes so I want to make sure I am following them. In this case,
 does majority vote win? If so, I'd like to further this discussion
 into actually planning a mini-summit. Thoughts?



I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
designs that are discussed at the regular summit.

Best,
-jay


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-13 Thread Mark McClain

On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
 regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
 after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
 designs that are discussed at the regular summit.

I’ve been working some of the others on the core team to setup another Neutron 
mid-cycle meet up. Like the last one, this will be focused on writing/reviewing 
code for important Juno blueprints (so those who can’t travel can still 
participate).  The trouble with finding dates in late May to early July dates 
is there are a number of large regional OpenStack events, other conferences, 
and the World Cup (we do have a several football fans on the team).  I hope 
that we’ll be able to share the information with everyone soon.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-13 Thread Edgar Magana
That sounds like a good idea Mark!
Yes, please do not do it during the World Cup at least the meeting is in
Brazil  :-)

Edgar

On 3/13/14 2:11 PM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:


On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
 regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
 after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
 designs that are discussed at the regular summit.

I¹ve been working some of the others on the core team to setup another
Neutron mid-cycle meet up. Like the last one, this will be focused on
writing/reviewing code for important Juno blueprints (so those who can¹t
travel can still participate).  The trouble with finding dates in late
May to early July dates is there are a number of large regional OpenStack
events, other conferences, and the World Cup (we do have a several
football fans on the team).  I hope that we¹ll be able to share the
information with everyone soon.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-11 Thread Tom Creighton
When the Designate team had their mini-summit, they had an open Google Hangout 
for remote participants.  We could even have an open conference bridge if you 
are not partial to video conferencing.  With the issue of inclusion solved, 
let’s focus on a date that is good for the team!

Cheers,

Tom Creighton


On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

 Eugene,
 
 A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
   • Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? 
 Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?
   • If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to 
 make changes at not cost.
   • Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
   • As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not 
 enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I 
 would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of 
 creating mini-summits all around!
 I could continue but I think these are good enough.
 
 I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for 
 developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very 
 hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the 
 summit.
 The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have session 
 about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste of good 
 time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about topics that 
 are still not clear.
 I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy 
 to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones 
 will be just a declaration of intents.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Edgar
 
 From: Eugene Nikanorov enikano...@mirantis.com
 Reply-To: OpenStack List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
 Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
 To: OpenStack List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?
 
 Hi Edgar,
 
 I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point. 
 Why do you think it will exclude developers? 
 If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city) 
 that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
 OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions, 
 unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
 For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents, 
 but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.
 
 What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive? 
 I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days prior 
 OS summit.
 
 Thanks,
 Eugene.
 
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:
 Team,
 
 I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
 a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
 The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
 together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
 NOT afford another trip for a special summit. I am personally against
 that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
 IRC and mailing list.
 
 Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
 face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
 little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
 it.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Edgar
 
 
 On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
  +1
 
  I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
  concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
  Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
  (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
  always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
  blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
  rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
  somewhere else.
 
 You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
 it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I
 am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
 to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
 summit with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.
 I¹d prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list
 and specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
 
 mark
 
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-11 Thread Mike Wilson
Hangouts  worked well at the nova mid-cycle meetup. Just make sure you have
your network situation sorted out before hand. Bandwidth and firewalls are
what comes to mind immediately.

-Mike


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Tom Creighton
tom.creigh...@rackspace.comwrote:

 When the Designate team had their mini-summit, they had an open Google
 Hangout for remote participants.  We could even have an open conference
 bridge if you are not partial to video conferencing.  With the issue of
 inclusion solved, let's focus on a date that is good for the team!

 Cheers,

 Tom Creighton


 On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

  Eugene,
 
  A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
* Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the
 budget? Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?
* If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be
 possible to make changes at not cost.
* Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's
 budget
* As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is
 not enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the
 case, I would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit
 instead of creating mini-summits all around!
  I could continue but I think these are good enough.
 
  I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive
 for developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying
 very hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days
 for the summit.
  The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have
 session about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a
 waste of good time that could be invested in very interesting discussions
 about topics that are still not clear.
  I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right
 guy to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which
 ones will be just a declaration of intents.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Edgar
 
  From: Eugene Nikanorov enikano...@mirantis.com
  Reply-To: OpenStack List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
  Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
  To: OpenStack List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
  Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?
 
  Hi Edgar,
 
  I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
  Why do you think it will exclude developers?
  If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same
 city) that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra
 travelling.
  OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive
 discussions, unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
  For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of
 intents, but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful
 detail level.
 
  What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
  I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days
 prior OS summit.
 
  Thanks,
  Eugene.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com
 wrote:
  Team,
 
  I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means
 excluding
  a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
  The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
  together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
  NOT afford another trip for a special summit. I am personally against
  that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation
 over
  IRC and mailing list.
 
  Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend
 another
  face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
  little things that make an open source community weak if we do not
 control
  it.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Edgar
 
 
  On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:
 
  
  On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
   +1
  
   I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
   concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
  
   Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
   (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits
 have
   always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
   blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
   rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
   somewhere else.
  
  You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do
 think
  it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time,
 I
  am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
  to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
  summit with short notice will exclude

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-10 Thread Susanne Balle
+1. Count me in. Susanne


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Stephen Wong s3w...@midokura.com wrote:

 +1 - that is a good idea! Having it several days before the J-Summit in
 Atlanta would be great.

 - Stephen


 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Eugene Nikanorov 
 enikano...@mirantis.comwrote:

 I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
 Everyone who wants to participate can join.
 In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
 ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design
 sessions) could be more productive.
 I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior
 to the OS summit?
 That could save attendees a lot of time/money.

 Thanks,
 Eugene.



 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.comwrote:


 On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
  +1
 
  I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
  concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
  Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
  (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
  always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
  blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
  rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
  somewhere else.

 You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
 it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am
 not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to
 LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit
 with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I'd
 prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list and
 specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.

 mark


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-10 Thread Edgar Magana
Team,

I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
NOT afford another trip for a special summit. I am personally against
that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
IRC and mailing list.

Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
it.

Thanks,

Edgar


On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:


On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
 +1
 
 I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
 concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
 Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
 (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
 always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
 blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
 rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
 somewhere else.

You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I
am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
summit with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.
I¹d prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list
and specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.

mark


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-10 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
Hi Edgar,

I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
Why do you think it will exclude developers?
If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same
city) that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra
travelling.
OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions,
unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of
intents, but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful
detail level.

What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days
prior OS summit.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:

 Team,

 I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
 a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
 The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
 together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
 NOT afford another trip for a special summit. I am personally against
 that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
 IRC and mailing list.

 Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
 face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
 little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
 it.

 Thanks,

 Edgar


 On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:

 
 On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
  +1
 
  I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
  concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
  Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
  (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
  always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
  blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
  rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
  somewhere else.
 
 You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
 it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I
 am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
 to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
 summit with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.
 I¹d prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list
 and specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-10 Thread Edgar Magana
Eugene,

A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
* Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? Who
is the responsible from the foundation  side?
* If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to make
changes at not cost.
* Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
* As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not
enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I
would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of
creating mini-summits all around!
I could continue but I think these are good enough.

I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for
developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very
hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the
summit.
The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have
session about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste
of good time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about
topics that are still not clear.
I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy
to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones
will be just a declaration of intents.

Thanks,

Edgar

From:  Eugene Nikanorov enikano...@mirantis.com
Reply-To:  OpenStack List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Date:  Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
To:  OpenStack List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

Hi Edgar,

I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
Why do you think it will exclude developers?
If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city)
that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions,
unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents,
but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.

What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days
prior OS summit.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:
 Team,
 
 I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
 a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
 The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
 together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
 NOT afford another trip for a special summit. I am personally against
 that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
 IRC and mailing list.
 
 Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
 face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
 little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
 it.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Edgar
 
 
 On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
  +1
 
  I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
  concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
  Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
  (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
  always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
  blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
  rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
  somewhere else.
 
 You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
 it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I
 am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
 to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
 summit with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.
 I¹d prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list
 and specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Voccio
I get the idea that we should be open and discuss things transparently, but I’m 
not quite following the reasoning that there shouldn’t be mini-summits just 
because not everyone would be able to attend.   If people have the will and the 
means to meet to tackle problems, shouldn’t we encourage that? The discussions 
and topics that are on the table shouldn’t be a secret. It should be easy to 
use the ML to post etherpads of topics and ideas. Nothing would be binding in 
the mini-summit.  Isn’t it be categorically the same as a meetup?

This thinking is a bit confusing after coming out of the operators mini summit 
last week in San Jose. It was a group of people gathering to hone in on what 
they want to focus on at the summit and issues that we know need to be 
addressed. ML, IRC and other mediums should and are used to do the same.

Thanks,
~pvo


From: Edgar Magana emag...@plumgrid.commailto:emag...@plumgrid.com
Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) 
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Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM
To: OpenStack List 
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

Eugene,

A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive

  *   Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? Who 
is the responsible from the foundation  side?
  *   If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to 
make changes at not cost.
  *   Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
  *   As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not 
enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I 
would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of 
creating mini-summits all around!

I could continue but I think these are good enough.

I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for 
developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very hard 
to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the summit.
The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have session 
about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste of good 
time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about topics that 
are still not clear.
I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy to 
decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones will be 
just a declaration of intents.

Thanks,

Edgar

From: Eugene Nikanorov enikano...@mirantis.commailto:enikano...@mirantis.com
Reply-To: OpenStack List 
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
To: OpenStack List 
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

Hi Edgar,

I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
Why do you think it will exclude developers?
If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city) 
that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions, 
unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents, 
but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.

What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days prior 
OS summit.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana 
emag...@plumgrid.commailto:emag...@plumgrid.com wrote:
Team,

I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
NOT afford another trip for a special summit. I am personally against
that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
IRC and mailing list.

Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
it.

Thanks,

Edgar


On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, Mark McClain 
mmccl...@yahoo-inc.commailto:mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:


On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes 
jaypi...@gmail.commailto:jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
 +1

 I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
 concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

 Unless something has changed starting

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-07 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
Everyone who wants to participate can join.
In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design
sessions) could be more productive.
I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior
to the OS summit?
That could save attendees a lot of time/money.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:


 On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
  +1
 
  I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
  concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
  Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
  (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
  always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
  blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
  rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
  somewhere else.

 You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
 it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am
 not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to
 LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit
 with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I'd
 prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list and
 specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-07 Thread Uma Goring
+1 to the idea of having the mini-summit in Atlanta a few days prior to the OS 
summit.



On Mar 7, 2014, at 3:37 AM, Eugene Nikanorov 
enikano...@mirantis.commailto:enikano...@mirantis.com wrote:

I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
Everyone who wants to participate can join.
In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design 
sessions) could be more productive.
I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior to 
the OS summit?
That could save attendees a lot of time/money.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain 
mmccl...@yahoo-inc.commailto:mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:

On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes 
jaypi...@gmail.commailto:jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
 +1

 I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
 concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

 Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
 (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
 always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
 blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
 rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
 somewhere else.

You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think it is 
wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am not a 
proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to LBaaS are 
distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit with short notice 
will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I’d prefer to see an open 
process with discussions on the mailing list and specially scheduled IRC 
meetings to discuss the ideas.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-07 Thread Stephen Wong
+1 - that is a good idea! Having it several days before the J-Summit in
Atlanta would be great.

- Stephen


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Eugene Nikanorov enikano...@mirantis.comwrote:

 I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
 Everyone who wants to participate can join.
 In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
 ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design
 sessions) could be more productive.
 I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior
 to the OS summit?
 That could save attendees a lot of time/money.

 Thanks,
 Eugene.



 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain mmccl...@yahoo-inc.comwrote:


 On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
  +1
 
  I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
  concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
  Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
  (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
  always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
  blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
  rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
  somewhere else.

 You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
 it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am
 not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to
 LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit
 with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I'd
 prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list and
 specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Jay Pipes
On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 15:32 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
 I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
 Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and
 set something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit
 in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with
 people in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in
 Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit will be more
 productive since we won't have other Openstack distractions around us.
 Let me know what you all think!

++

++

I think a few weeks after the design summit would be a good time.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Veiga, Anthony

On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 15:32 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
 I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
 Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and
 set something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit
 in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with
 people in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in
 Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit will be more
 productive since we won't have other Openstack distractions around us.
 Let me know what you all think!

++

++

I think a few weeks after the design summit would be a good time.

-jay


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread John Dewey
I am interested 


On Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for Neturon 
 LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set something 
 up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in Austin, TX and it 
 was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people in the Openstack 
 community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I feel that a 
 focused mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have other 
 Openstack distractions around us. Let me know what you all think! 
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
If this happens, it might make sense to keep it before, not after the
summit.
Basically, on the summit we need to come up with a plan/design/roadmap that
everyone agrees on and just present it to the core team.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, John Dewey j...@dewey.ws wrote:

  I am interested

 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes wrote:

   Hi everyone,

  I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
 Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set
 something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in
 Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people
 in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I
 feel that a focused mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have
 other Openstack distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!

  Cheers,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Carl Perry
I am also interested

On 03/06/2014 11:08 AM, John Dewey wrote:
 I am interested

 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
 Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try
 and set something up. The Designate team just had a productive
 mini-summit in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face
 conversations with people in the Openstack community. While most of
 us will meet in Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit
 will be more productive since we won't have other Openstack
 distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Prashanth Hari
Same here.. will be interested to join.

Thanks,
Prashanth


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Veiga, Anthony 
anthony_ve...@cable.comcast.com wrote:


 On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 15:32 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
  I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
  Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and
  set something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit
  in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with
  people in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in
  Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit will be more
  productive since we won't have other Openstack distractions around us.
  Let me know what you all think!
 
 ++
 
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 I think a few weeks after the design summit would be a good time.
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Jay Pipes
On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:34 +0400, Eugene Nikanorov wrote:
 If this happens, it might make sense to keep it before, not after the
 summit.
 Basically, on the summit we need to come up with a plan/design/roadmap
 that everyone agrees on and just present it to the core team.

It depends. If the LBaaS summit is *after* the design summit, it can be
more of a working meeting where we take advantage of the time together
to make a lot of progress on goals established (and documented) at the
summit. If it is *before* the summit, it is more likely to be less
productive and more of a brainstorming type meeting, which is kind of
what the design summit is for.

Just my two cents,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Stephen Wong
I agree with that, and it should take place before the J-Summit.

Location is key here :-)


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes 
jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote:

   Hi everyone,

  I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
 Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set
 something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in
 Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people
 in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I
 feel that a focused mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have
 other Openstack distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!

  Cheers,
 --Jorge

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Youcef Laribi
+1

I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take concrete, well 
thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

Cheers,
Youcef

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I agree with that, and it should take place before the J-Summit.

Location is key here :-)

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes 
jorge.miramon...@rackspace.commailto:jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for Neturon 
LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set something 
up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in Austin, TX and it 
was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people in the Openstack 
community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused 
mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have other Openstack 
distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!

Cheers,
--Jorge

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Jay Pipes
On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
 +1
 
 I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
 concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
(which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
somewhere else.

Or, am I missing something? Has this changed in the past year?

Best,
-jay



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Youcef Laribi
Jay,

What I meant is that the people who are involved regularly in LBaaS can have a 
space and time to hash out all the arguments and get clarity, and this is open 
to anybody to attend (hence mini-summit), while at the summit itself there is 
so much going on, it's hard to find time and focus to have these discussions 
(from my previous experience at the last few summits).

My 2 cents :)

Youcef


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On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
 +1
 
 I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take 
 concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit (which 
unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have always been a 
place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed blueprints and design specs. 
It has never been about a gathering to rubber-stamp proposals that have already 
been hashed out in private somewhere else.

Or, am I missing something? Has this changed in the past year?

Best,
-jay



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

2014-03-06 Thread Mark McClain

On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
 +1
 
 I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
 concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
 
 Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
 (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
 always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
 blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
 rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
 somewhere else.

You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think it is 
wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am not a 
proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to LBaaS are 
distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit with short notice 
will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I’d prefer to see an open 
process with discussions on the mailing list and specially scheduled IRC 
meetings to discuss the ideas.

mark


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