Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-29 Thread Joe Gordon
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Matt Riedemann mrie...@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote: On 9/16/2014 1:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Sep 15, 2014 8:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 08:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-09-15 17:59:10

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-17 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 9/16/2014 1:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Sep 15, 2014 8:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 08:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-09-15 17:59:10 -0400 (-0400), Jay Pipes wrote: [...] Sometimes it's pretty hard to determine

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Joshua Harlow
And if u can also prove NP = P u get 1 million dollars[1, 2] Let me know when u got the proof, Thanks much, [1] http://www.claymath.org/millenium-problems/p-vs-np-problem [2] http://www.claymath.org/millennium-problems/millennium-prize-problems -Josh On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Jeremy

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:30:26AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Michael Still
I think bug days are a good idea. We've had them sporadically in the past, but never weekly. We stopped mostly because people stopped showing up. If we think we have critical mass again, or if it makes more sense to run one during the RC period, then let's do it. So... Who would show up for a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Gary Kotton
On 9/16/14, 11:12 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:30:26AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:29:53PM +1000, Michael Still wrote: I think bug days are a good idea. We've had them sporadically in the past, but never weekly. We stopped mostly because people stopped showing up. If we think we have critical mass again, or if it makes more sense to run one

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
Michael Still wrote: Yes, that was my point. I don't mind us debating how to rearrange hypervisor drivers. However, if we think that will solve all our problems we are confused. So, how do we get people to start taking bugs / gate failures more seriously? I think we need to build a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/16/2014 05:44 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Michael Still wrote: Yes, that was my point. I don't mind us debating how to rearrange hypervisor drivers. However, if we think that will solve all our problems we are confused. So, how do we get people to start taking bugs / gate failures more

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:29:53PM +1000, Michael Still wrote: I think bug days are a good idea. We've had them sporadically in the past, but never weekly. We stopped mostly because people stopped showing up. If we think we have critical mass again, or if it makes more sense to run one

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/16/2014 04:29 AM, Michael Still wrote: I think bug days are a good idea. We've had them sporadically in the past, but never weekly. We stopped mostly because people stopped showing up. If we think we have critical mass again, or if it makes more sense to run one during the RC period, then

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/16/2014 04:12 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:30:26AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/16/2014 09:39 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 09/16/2014 04:12 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:30:26AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-16 Thread Joe Gordon
On Sep 15, 2014 8:31 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 08:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-09-15 17:59:10 -0400 (-0400), Jay Pipes wrote: [...] Sometimes it's pretty hard to determine whether something in the E-R check page is due to something in the infra scripts,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Nikola Đipanov
On 09/13/2014 11:07 PM, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week or so... The biggest problem nova faces at the moment isn't code review latency. Our biggest problem is failing to fix our bugs so that the gate is reliable. The number of rechecks we've done in the last week

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Nikola Đipanov
On 09/14/2014 12:27 AM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: Michael, I am so glad that you started this topic. I really like idea of of taking a pause with features and concentrating on improvement of current code base. Even if the 1 k open bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova are vital issue,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week or so... The biggest problem nova faces at the moment isn't code review latency. Our biggest problem is failing to fix our bugs so that the gate is reliable. The number of rechecks we've

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Michael Still
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: Unfortunately the reliability of the gate systems has the highest negative impact on productivity right at the point in the dev cycle where we need it to have the least impact too. Agreed. However, my instinct is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week or so... The biggest problem nova faces at the moment isn't code review latency. Our biggest problem is failing to fix our bugs so that the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Russell Bryant
On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week or so... The biggest problem nova faces at the moment isn't code review latency. Our biggest problem is failing to fix our bugs so that the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/15/2014 04:01 AM, Nikola Đipanov wrote: On 09/13/2014 11:07 PM, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week or so... The biggest problem nova faces at the moment isn't code review latency. Our biggest problem is failing to fix our bugs so that the gate is reliable. The

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Michael Still
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week or so... The biggest problem nova faces at the moment isn't code

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Brant Knudson
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Still mi...@stillhq.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/15/2014 05:52 PM, Brant Knudson wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Still mi...@stillhq.com mailto:mi...@stillhq.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/15/2014 05:30 PM, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/15/2014 05:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:07:13AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Just an observation from the last week or so... The biggest

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Sean, I have tabs opened to: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html and periodically catch up on openstack-qa on IRC as well, i just did not realize this wsgi gate bug was hurting the gate this much. So, could we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-09-15 17:59:10 -0400 (-0400), Jay Pipes wrote: [...] Sometimes it's pretty hard to determine whether something in the E-R check page is due to something in the infra scripts, some transient issue in the upstream CI platform (or part of it), or actually a bug in one or more of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-15 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/15/2014 08:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-09-15 17:59:10 -0400 (-0400), Jay Pipes wrote: [...] Sometimes it's pretty hard to determine whether something in the E-R check page is due to something in the infra scripts, some transient issue in the upstream CI platform (or part of it),

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] What's holding nova development back?

2014-09-13 Thread Boris Pavlovic
Michael, I am so glad that you started this topic. I really like idea of of taking a pause with features and concentrating on improvement of current code base. Even if the 1 k open bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova are vital issue, there are other things that could be addressed to improve