Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-03-08 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 18/02/15 10:07 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 05:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 09:29:19AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-03-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-03-08 08:20:31 -0430 (-0430), Flavio Percoco wrote: I'm pretty sure this was discussed already in a TC meeting, which I did not attend unfortunately. In the spite of keeoing things open - not only the issues but also the solutions found - would someone from the TC (or Stefano) mind

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-18 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 09:29:19AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: ## Cores are *NOT* special At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-18 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 05:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 09:29:19AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: ## Cores are *NOT*

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 17/02/15 10:44 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 05:37 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: ## Cores are *NOT* special At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message changed and the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 05:37 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: ## Cores are *NOT* special At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message changed and the feeling of core's being some kind of

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: ## Cores are *NOT* special At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message changed and the feeling of core's being some kind

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Shaming a person is a last resort, when that person may not listen to reason. It's sometimes necessary to bring shame to a practice, but even then, those who are participating are now draped in shame as well and will have a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ed Leafe's message of 2015-02-17 10:11:01 -0800: On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Shaming a person is a last resort, when that person may not listen to reason. It's sometimes necessary to bring shame to a practice, but even then, those who

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: ## Cores are *NOT* special At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message changed and the feeling of core's being some kind of superheros became a thing. It's gotten far enough to the point that I've

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: And so far, no real indication of why IRC is worse than a private phone call or a water-cooler conversation on a regular basis. Multiple people have explained why already and you're choosing to ignore their words: permanent private IRC channels are a bad habit that

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-13 Thread Kyle Mestery
I was traveling for two days, and I miss a great thread like this. Go figure! One comment in-line. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:55 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings all, During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-13 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 16:01 +, Amrith Kumar wrote: How is a private IRC channel any different from a culture of private discussions? Having a chat over lunch, in the hallway, on the telephone, etc., I will articulate again why I think that a group of leaders of OpenStack *should not*

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Chris Dent
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 11/02/15 11:24 +, Chris Dent wrote: I think it is time we recognize and act on the fact that the corporate landlords that pay many of us to farm on this land need to provide more resources. This will help to ensure the health of semi-artifical

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 12/02/15 12:04 +, Chris Dent wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote: The important bit, thoguh, is that email is meant for asynchronous communication and IRC isn't. If things that require the intervention of other folks from the community are being discussed and those folks

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-02-12 18:34:56 +0100 (+0100), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] we *don't* have a public voip channel [...] Well, technically we do if you want one. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Conferencing But of course the logistics around all the project connecting in and talking at

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Nikhil Manchanda
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: [...] ## Keep discussions open I don't believe there's anything wrong about kicking off some discussions in private channels about specs/bugs. I don't believe there's anything wrong in having calls to speed up some

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2015-02-12 00:13:35 -0800: On 11/02/15 09:37 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: This email is dedicated to the openness of our

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 12/02/15 01:41 -0800, Nikhil Manchanda wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: [...] ## Keep discussions open I don't believe there's anything wrong about kicking off some discussions in private channels about specs/bugs. I don't believe there's

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Kuvaja, Erno
-Original Message- From: Donald Stufft [mailto:don...@stufft.io] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 4:34 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it On Feb 11, 2015

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Nikola Đipanov
On 02/11/2015 06:20 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Nikola Đipanov's message of 2015-02-11 05:26:47 -0800: On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote: If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 11/02/15 09:37 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project. It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Flavio Percoco wrote: On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote: Personally, I think the focus on password protected IRC channels is a distraction from the real issue that we need to ensure that the rapidly growing community is one where public discussion and decision making are still the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 10:37 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Right. You can't prevent occasional private discussions and pings, and you shouldn't. It's when you encourage and officialize them (by for example creating a channel for them) that things start to go bad. Yes, that's very bad. Private

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 10:35 +, Kuvaja, Erno wrote: I'm not attacking against having summits, I think the face to face time is incredibly valuable for all kind of things. My point was to bring up general flaw of the flow between all inclusive decision making vs. decided in summit session.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Chris Dent
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote: The important bit, thoguh, is that email is meant for asynchronous communication and IRC isn't. If things that require the intervention of other folks from the community are being discussed and those folks are not on IRC, it'd be wrong to consider the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Alan Pevec
I think there's a place for private conversation (eg. discussing a security issue that corresponds to a CVE... CVE's are a special exception and I'd even argue on the need of private conversations there. Discussing CVEs in private came up few times but I'm not sure IRC is secure enough for

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-02-12 17:20:37 +0100 (+0100), Alan Pevec wrote: Discussing CVEs in private came up few times but I'm not sure IRC is secure enough for that. IMHO discussion about embargoed issues must be kept in private Launchpad bugs but I'd like to hear from VMT team. I do from time to time /msg a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-02-12 10:35:18 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] I'd like to point out that that this discussion has been pushing all inclusive open approach. Not ATC, not specially approved individuals, but everyone. Mailing list can easily facilitate participation of everyone who wishes to do

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Amrith Kumar
...@redhat.com] | Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 3:06 AM | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets | fight for it | | On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote: | | [snip] | | Mostly, I'm very happy

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote: [snip] Mostly, I'm very happy to see Flavio's email which ends with this: All the above being said, I'd like to thank everyone who fights for the openness of our community and encourage everyone to make that a must have thing in each

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
| To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets | fight for it | | On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote: | | [snip] | | Mostly, I'm very happy to see Flavio's email which ends with this: | | All

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 11/02/15 11:24 +, Chris Dent wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote: During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing these

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-02-11 11:31:13 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] If you don't belong to the group of privileged living in the area and receiving free ticket somehow or company paying your participation you're not included. $600 + travel + accommodation is quite hefty premium to be included, not

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Amrith Kumar
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets | fight for it | | On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: | This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project. | | It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-02-11 11:31:13 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] If you don't belong to the group of privileged living in the area and receiving free ticket somehow or company paying your participation you're not included. $600 +

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project. It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for caring enough to notice bad

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:13:05AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: ## Mailing List vs IRC Channel I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy, keeping up with it is hard and time consuming and that leads to lots of IRC discussions. I don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 09:14 AM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project. It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for caring enough to notice bad patterns

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Donald Stufft
On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2015-02-11 11:31:13 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] If you don't belong to the group of privileged living in the area and receiving free ticket somehow or company paying your participation you're not

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 09:32 -0500, Sean Dague wrote: Definitely true, to each his/her own. I still consider it unfortunate. I've also heard core developers state that they stopped reading the mailing list months ago. Which I also find unfortunate. That's terrible: do you know why they don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 09:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 02/11/2015 09:02 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:13:05AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: ## Mailing List vs IRC Channel I get it, our mailing list is freaking

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Nikola Đipanov's message of 2015-02-11 05:26:47 -0800: On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote: If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal effects start taking over. You get people

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Amrith Kumar
know not. | -Original Message- | From: Amrith Kumar [mailto:amr...@tesora.com] | Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 12:20 PM | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets | fight

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Ben Nemec
IRC: amrith @freenode I work on OpenStack Trove (#openstack-trove) | -Original Message- | From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stef...@openstack.org] | Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:15 AM | To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Ben Nemec
On 02/11/2015 04:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:55:18AM +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings all, During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-02-11 09:20:34 -0800 (-0800), Clint Byrum wrote: [...] That said, I do want us to talk about uncomfortable things when necessary. I think this thread is not something where it will be entirely productive to stay 100% positive throughout. We might just have to use some negative language

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Gary Kotton
On 2/11/15, 3:26 PM, Nikola Đipanov ndipa...@redhat.com wrote: On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote: If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal effects start taking over. You get people start

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project. It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for caring enough to notice bad patterns and for raising a flag. ## Keep discussions open I don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 02/11/2015 09:02 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:13:05AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: ## Mailing List vs IRC Channel I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy, keeping up with it is hard and time consuming and that

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: Also, if there are people on this list who feel like discussions here sometimes get negative or uncomfortable, I'm happy to point you to free software community mailing lists (more than I can count on all my fingers and

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-02-11 14:06:23 -0600 (-0600), Brian Curtin wrote: If people feel it's a negative or uncomfortable environment, find out why and try to do something to improve it. Telling someone that there are worse options out there is the opposite of fostering an open community. Fair point--I was

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
Flavio Percoco wrote: During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing these things improve, I'm taking the time today to share one of my

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:55:18AM +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings all, During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing these

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Kuvaja, Erno
-Original Message- From: Flavio Percoco [mailto:fla...@redhat.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:55 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it Greetings all, During the last two cycles, I've

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Chris Dent
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote: During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing these things improve, I'm taking the time today

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Nikola Đipanov
+ Inf for writing this Flavio! Only some observations below. On 02/11/2015 10:55 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings all, During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 11/02/15 11:31 +, Kuvaja, Erno wrote: ## Mailing List vs IRC Channel I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy, keeping up with it is hard and time consuming and that leads to lots of IRC discussions. I don't think there's anything wrong with that but I believe it's wrong to expect

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Chris Dent
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Chris Dent wrote: I think it is time we recognize and act on the fact that the corporate landlords that pay many of us to farm on this land need to provide more resources. In case it wasn't clear, by this I don't mean project managers and other styles of enterprisey

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:53:24PM +0100, Nikola Đipanov wrote: + Inf for writing this Flavio! Absolutely! I never even knew such things existed in this community. Only some observations below. [. . .] ## Mailing List vs IRC Channel I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 02/11/2015 04:55 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings all, During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing these things improve, I'm

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:55:18AM +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings all, During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving to a state that I personally

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Nikola Đipanov
On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote: If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal effects start taking over. You get people start talking about the upstream as them. The moment we get into us vs.