Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-26 Thread Zane Bitter
On 26/09/14 00:01, Angus Lees wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:01:38 PM Fox, Kevin M wrote: Doesn't nova with a docker driver and heat autoscaling handle case 2 and 3 for control jobs? Has anyone tried yet? For reference, the cases were: - Something to deploy the code (docker / distro packages

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-26 Thread Fox, Kevin M
-Original Message- From: Angus Lees [mailto:gusl...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Angus Lees Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Cc: Fox, Kevin M Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: However, this does make me think that Keystone domains should be exposable to services inside your cloud for use as SSO. It would be quite handy if the keystone users used for the VMs that host Kubernetes could use the same

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 September 2014 16:13, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 20:49:20 -0700: As far as I can tell, the quantitative handling of capacities and demands in Kubernetes is much inferior to what Nova does today. Yes, TripleO needs to manage

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 22:01:54 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 09/25/2014 12:13:53 AM: Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 20:49:20 -0700: Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote on 09/24/2014 11:02:49 PM: ... ... Does

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Steven Dake
On 09/25/2014 12:01 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 22:01:54 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 09/25/2014 12:13:53 AM: Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 20:49:20 -0700: Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote on 09/24/2014

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Steven Dake
On 09/24/2014 10:01 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 09/25/2014 12:13:53 AM: Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 20:49:20 -0700: Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote on 09/24/2014 11:02:49 PM: ... ... Does TripleO require container

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Fox, Kevin M
: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:31:19 PM Alan Kavanagh wrote: Steven I have to ask what is the motivation and benefits we get from integrating Kubernetes into Openstack? Would be really

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Fox, Kevin M
(not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker On 09/24/2014 10:12 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Sounds like an interesting project/goal and will be interesting to see where this goes. A few questions

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Fox, Kevin M
, September 24, 2014 9:13 PM To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 20:49:20 -0700: Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote on 09/24/2014 11:02:49 PM

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker On 09/24/2014 10:12 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Sounds like an interesting project/goal and will be interesting to see where

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Fox, Kevin M
From: Steven Dake [sd...@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:30 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2014-09-25 09:13:26 -0700: Why can't you manage baremetal and containers from a single host with nova/neutron? Is this a current missing feature, or has the development teams said they will never implement it? It's a bug. But it is also a complexity

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Fox, Kevin M
-Original Message- From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:35 AM To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker First, Kevin, please try to figure

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Fox, Kevin M
-Original Message- From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:44 AM To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Angus Lees
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:01:38 PM Fox, Kevin M wrote: Doesn't nova with a docker driver and heat autoscaling handle case 2 and 3 for control jobs? Has anyone tried yet? For reference, the cases were: - Something to deploy the code (docker / distro packages / pip install / etc) - Something to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-25 Thread Angus Salkeld
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Angus Lees g...@inodes.org wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:01:38 PM Fox, Kevin M wrote: Doesn't nova with a docker driver and heat autoscaling handle case 2 and 3 for control jobs? Has anyone tried yet? For reference, the cases were: - Something to deploy

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 24 September 2014 16:38, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/23/2014 10:29 PM, Steven Dake wrote: There is a deployment program - tripleo is just one implementation. Nope, that is not correct. Like it or not (I personally don't), Triple-O is *the* Deployment Program for OpenStack:

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-09-23 21:38:37 -0700: On 09/23/2014 10:29 PM, Steven Dake wrote: There is a deployment program - tripleo is just one implementation. Nope, that is not correct. Like it or not (I personally don't), Triple-O is *the* Deployment Program for OpenStack:

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce the development of a new project Kolla which is Greek for glue :). Kolla has a goal of providing an implementation that deploys OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker. This project will begin as a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/24/2014 03:57 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-09-23 21:38:37 -0700: On 09/23/2014 10:29 PM, Steven Dake wrote: There is a deployment program - tripleo is just one implementation. Nope, that is not correct. Like it or not (I personally don't), Triple-O

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread James Slagle
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/24/2014 03:19 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 24 September 2014 16:38, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/23/2014 10:29 PM, Steven Dake wrote: There is a deployment program - tripleo is just one implementation.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread James Slagle
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM, James Slagle james.sla...@gmail.com wrote: And it looks to me like what's being proposed here is that there is a group of folks who intend to work on Knoll, and they are indicating Oops, I meant Kolla, obviously :-). -- -- James Slagle --

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/24/2014 09:41 AM, James Slagle wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: There are zero programs in the OpenStack governance repository that have competing implementations for the same thing. Like it or not, the TC process of blessing these teams has

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread James Slagle
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/24/2014 09:41 AM, James Slagle wrote: Meaning: exactly what you seem to claim is not possible due to some perceived blessing, is indeed in fact happening, or trying to come about. :) Talking about something on the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Joshua Harlow
Sounds like an interesting project/goal and will be interesting to see where this goes. A few questions/comments: How much golang will people be exposed to with this addition? Seeing that this could be the first 'go' using project it will be interesting to see where this goes (since afaik

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2014-09-23 15:40:29 -0700: *Hi folks,*** * I'm pleased to announce the development of a new project Kolla which is Greek for glue :). Kolla has a goal of providing an implementation that deploys OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker. This project

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Alan Kavanagh
-24-14 7:41 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker On 09/24/2014 10:12 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Sounds like an interesting project/goal

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Angus Lees
...@redhat.com] Sent: September-24-14 7:41 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker On 09/24/2014 10:12 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Sounds like an interesting

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Lees's message of 2014-09-24 18:33:22 -0700: These last few don't have strong existing options within OpenStack yet (as far as I'm aware). Having explored a few different approaches recently, kubernetes is certainly not the only option - but is a reasonable contender

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Steven Dake
questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker On 09/24/2014 10:12 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Sounds like an interesting project/goal and will be interesting to see where this goes. A few questions/comments

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote on 09/24/2014 11:02:49 PM: On 09/24/2014 03:31 PM, Alan Kavanagh wrote: Steven I have to ask what is the motivation and benefits we get from integrating Kubernetes into Openstack? Would be really useful if you can elaborate and outline some use cases and

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2014-09-24 20:02:49 -0700: On 09/24/2014 03:31 PM, Alan Kavanagh wrote: Steven I have to ask what is the motivation and benefits we get from integrating Kubernetes into Openstack? Would be really useful if you can elaborate and outline some use

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 20:49:20 -0700: Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote on 09/24/2014 11:02:49 PM: On 09/24/2014 03:31 PM, Alan Kavanagh wrote: Steven I have to ask what is the motivation and benefits we get from integrating Kubernetes into Openstack?

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-24 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 09/25/2014 12:13:53 AM: Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2014-09-24 20:49:20 -0700: Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote on 09/24/2014 11:02:49 PM: ... ... Does TripleO require container functionality that is not available when using the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Robert Collins
All hail our container overlords! -Rob On 24 September 2014 10:40, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: Hi folks, I'm pleased to announce the development of a new project Kolla which is Greek for glue :). Kolla has a goal of providing an implementation that deploys OpenStack using

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Fox, Kevin M
I'm interested in how this relates/conflicts with the TripleO goal of using OpenStack to deploy OpenStack. It looks like (maybe just superficially) that Kubernetes is simply a combination of (nova + docker driver) = container schedualer and (heat) = orchestration. They both schedule

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Steven Dake
On 09/23/2014 05:38 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: I'm interested in how this relates/conflicts with the TripleO goal of using OpenStack to deploy OpenStack. It looks like (maybe just superficially) that Kubernetes is simply a combination of (nova + docker driver) = container schedualer and (heat)

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but you can not install Cinder inside a container. Cinder requires an iSCSI package that fails to install; its install script tries to launch the daemon, and that fails. Regards, Mike___ OpenStack-dev mailing

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread John Griffith
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/23/2014 05:38 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: I'm interested in how this relates/conflicts with the TripleO goal of using OpenStack to deploy OpenStack. It looks like (maybe just superficially) that Kubernetes is simply a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread John Griffith
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Mike Spreitzer mspre...@us.ibm.com wrote: I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but you can not install Cinder inside a container. Cinder requires an iSCSI package that fails to install; its install script tries to launch the daemon, and that fails. Yes,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Steven Dake
On 09/23/2014 06:30 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but you can not install Cinder inside a container. Cinder requires an iSCSI package that fails to install; its install script tries to launch the daemon, and that fails. Regards, Mike Mike, Mordred

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Robert Collins
Ok, so perhaps I need to be a bit more verbose here. TripleO already had a plan to use docker for some services via Nova, but that ran into some issues; specifically running two computes (ironic and docker) on a single machine plays havoc with the assumption in Neutron that the compute hostname

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Steven Dake
On 09/23/2014 07:15 PM, John Griffith wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com mailto:sd...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/23/2014 05:38 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: I'm interested in how this relates/conflicts with the TripleO goal of using OpenStack to deploy

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Fox, Kevin M
There are other options. 3 docker containers with ceph in them perhaps. Kevin From: Steven Dake Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:21:39 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-23 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/23/2014 10:29 PM, Steven Dake wrote: There is a deployment program - tripleo is just one implementation. Nope, that is not correct. Like it or not (I personally don't), Triple-O is *the* Deployment Program for OpenStack: