Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-21 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/21/2017 01:06 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > On 3/21/2017 2:25 AM, Akihiro Motoki wrote: >> >> Yes, all logging markers including LOG.exception(_LE(...)) will be >> clean up. >> Only user visible messages through API messages should be marked as >> translatable. >> > > Do we still use _LE() or

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-21 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 3/21/2017 2:25 AM, Akihiro Motoki wrote: Yes, all logging markers including LOG.exception(_LE(...)) will be clean up. Only user visible messages through API messages should be marked as translatable. Do we still use _LE() or just _() for marking API error messages for translation? --

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-21 Thread Akihiro Motoki
2017-03-17 5:50 GMT+09:00 Ihar Hrachyshka : > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> Please keep translations for exceptions and other user-facing messages, >> for now. > > To clarify, that means LOG.exception(_LE(...)) should also be

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Doug Hellmann
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > > On 3/16/2017 2:00 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> >> Based on the feedback on that list, there seems to be no real support >> for maintaining the ability to translate log messages. I therefore >> recommend that teams

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 3/16/2017 2:00 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Based on the feedback on that list, there seems to be no real support for maintaining the ability to translate log messages. I therefore recommend that teams accept the patches to remove them, and stop enforcing their use. Whether or not teams want to

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Please keep translations for exceptions and other user-facing messages, > for now. To clarify, that means LOG.exception(_LE(...)) should also be cleaned up? The only things that we should leave are messages that

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/16/2017 03:00 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2017-03-10 09:39:29 -0500: >> Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2017-03-10 09:28:52 -0500: >>> Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2017-03-10 01:22:40 +0900: Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/9/2017 9:24

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2017-03-10 09:39:29 -0500: > Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2017-03-10 09:28:52 -0500: > > Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2017-03-10 01:22:40 +0900: > > > Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/9/2017 9:24 PM: > > > > Excerpts from Sean McGinnis's

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/16/2017 05:12 AM, Rochelle Grober wrote: > Sorry for top posting, but this is likely the best place... > > I wanted to provide an update from the Ops midcycle about related topics > around this. > > The operators here are in general agreement that translation is not needed, > but they

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Rochelle Grober
anding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500 Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/10/2017 11:39 PM: > Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2017-03-10 09:28:52 -0500: >> Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2017-03-10 01:22:40 +0900: >>> Doug Hellmann w

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-16 Thread Ian Y. Choi
Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/10/2017 11:39 PM: Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2017-03-10 09:28:52 -0500: Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2017-03-10 01:22:40 +0900: Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/9/2017 9:24 PM: Excerpts from Sean McGinnis's message of 2017-03-07 07:17:09 -0600: On

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-10 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2017-03-10 09:28:52 -0500: > Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2017-03-10 01:22:40 +0900: > > Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/9/2017 9:24 PM: > > > Excerpts from Sean McGinnis's message of 2017-03-07 07:17:09 -0600: > > >> On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 09:06:18AM

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-10 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2017-03-10 01:22:40 +0900: > Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/9/2017 9:24 PM: > > Excerpts from Sean McGinnis's message of 2017-03-07 07:17:09 -0600: > >> On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 09:06:18AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: > >>> On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-09 Thread Ian Y. Choi
Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/9/2017 9:24 PM: Excerpts from Sean McGinnis's message of 2017-03-07 07:17:09 -0600: On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 09:06:18AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote: On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague wrote: I'm trying to understand the

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-09 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Sean McGinnis's message of 2017-03-07 07:17:09 -0600: > On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 09:06:18AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: > > On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > > On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague wrote: > > >> I'm trying to understand the implications of > > >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-07 Thread Sean McGinnis
On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 09:06:18AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote: > On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague wrote: > >> I'm trying to understand the implications of > >> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500. And the comment in the linked > >> email: > >> >

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2017-03-06 11:37:06 -0600: > On 3/6/2017 10:28 AM, Ian Y. Choi wrote: > > > > +1 and for such discussions including openstack-i...@lists.openstack.org > > mailing list would be also nice :) > > > > On Barcelona Design Summit, there were I18n contributor

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 3/6/2017 10:28 AM, Ian Y. Choi wrote: +1 and for such discussions including openstack-i...@lists.openstack.org mailing list would be also nice :) On Barcelona Design Summit, there were I18n contributor meetup and I18n team members discussed a lot. One of things was not to translate

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/06/2017 12:16 PM, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: > I have a question: why can't operators just switch to en_US to execute > services? > > Another question: what makes log messages so much different from API > responses? Couldn't you make the same argument that it's easier to > find a reason for a

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
I have a question: why can't operators just switch to en_US to execute services? Another question: what makes log messages so much different from API responses? Couldn't you make the same argument that it's easier to find a reason for a request failure if the error message is in English? Should

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Ian Y. Choi
Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/7/2017 12:53 AM: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2017-03-06 09:06:18 -0500: On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote: On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague wrote: I'm trying to understand the implications of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500. And the

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2017-03-06 09:06:18 -0500: > On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague wrote: > >> I'm trying to understand the implications of > >> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500. And the comment in the linked > >> email: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague wrote: >> I'm trying to understand the implications of >> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500. And the comment in the linked >> email: >> >> ">> Yes, we decided some time ago to not translate the log files anymore

Re: [openstack-dev] [i18n] [nova] understanding log domain change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500

2017-03-06 Thread Andreas Jaeger
On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague wrote: > I'm trying to understand the implications of > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500. And the comment in the linked > email: > > ">> Yes, we decided some time ago to not translate the log files anymore and >>> thus our tools do not handle them anymore -