Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-13 Thread Armando M.
On 13 January 2017 at 15:01, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Armando M.'s message of 2017-01-13 11:39:33 -0800: > > On 13 January 2017 at 10:47, Clint Byrum wrote: > > > > > Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2017-01-12 22:38:46 -0800: > > > > Kevin

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Armando M.'s message of 2017-01-13 11:39:33 -0800: > On 13 January 2017 at 10:47, Clint Byrum wrote: > > > Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2017-01-12 22:38:46 -0800: > > > Kevin Benton wrote: > > > > If you don't want users to specify network details,

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-13 Thread Kevin Benton
"as an operator"? That's not related to the iPhone developer use case (user usability) at all. For users, they just boot a VM and Nova will call the API and neutron will setup a network/router/etc on demand and return it so there is nothing the user has to do. If you have issues with operator

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-13 Thread Armando M.
On 13 January 2017 at 10:47, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2017-01-12 22:38:46 -0800: > > Kevin Benton wrote: > > > If you don't want users to specify network details, then use the get me > > > a network extension or just have them boot to a

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2017-01-12 22:38:46 -0800: > Kevin Benton wrote: > > If you don't want users to specify network details, then use the get me > > a network extension or just have them boot to a public (or other > > pre-created) network. > > > > In your thought experiment,

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-13 Thread Morales, Victor
My two cents on this Agree with Kevin, IaaS solutions(like CloudStack, OpenNebula, OpenStack, etc.) offer a deep level of customization for those apps which requires fine-grained control of Cloud resources with the disadvantage of increasing the time required for developing them. By other

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Joshua Harlow
Kevin Benton wrote: If you don't want users to specify network details, then use the get me a network extension or just have them boot to a public (or other pre-created) network. In your thought experiment, why is your iPhone app developer not just using a PaaS that handles instance scaling,

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Kevin Benton
If you don't want users to specify network details, then use the get me a network extension or just have them boot to a public (or other pre-created) network. In your thought experiment, why is your iPhone app developer not just using a PaaS that handles instance scaling, load balancing and HA?

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Joshua Harlow
Sean M. Collins wrote: Joshua Harlow wrote: So I don't want to start to much of a flame-war and am really just trying to understand things that may be beyond me (so treat me nicely, ha). The basic question that I've been wondering revolves around the following kind of 'thought experiment' that

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Sean M. Collins
Joshua Harlow wrote: > So I don't want to start to much of a flame-war and am really just trying to > understand things that may be beyond me (so treat me nicely, ha). > > The basic question that I've been wondering revolves around the following > kind of 'thought experiment' that asks something

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Michael Johnson
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joshua Harlow <harlo...@fastmail.com> wrote: > So I don't want to start to much of a flame-war and am really just > trying to understand things that may be beyond me (so treat m

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Curtis
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: > So I don't want to start to much of a flame-war and am really just trying to > understand things that may be beyond me (so treat me nicely, ha). > > The basic question that I've been wondering revolves around the

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Chris Friesen
On 01/12/2017 04:46 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: So I don't want to start to much of a flame-war and am really just trying to understand things that may be beyond me (so treat me nicely, ha). The basic question that I've been wondering revolves around the following kind of 'thought experiment' that

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Armando M.
On 12 January 2017 at 15:07, Armando M. wrote: > > > On 12 January 2017 at 14:46, Joshua Harlow wrote: > >> So I don't want to start to much of a flame-war and am really just trying >> to understand things that may be beyond me (so treat me nicely, ha).

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Confusion around the complexity

2017-01-12 Thread Armando M.
On 12 January 2017 at 14:46, Joshua Harlow wrote: > So I don't want to start to much of a flame-war and am really just trying > to understand things that may be beyond me (so treat me nicely, ha). > > The basic question that I've been wondering revolves around the