Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

2015-09-23 Thread Nodir Kodirov 
Thanks for the great suggestions and pointers, everyone!

easyOVS seems to cover many use cases I had in my mind. I'll give it a
try and see if/how I can extend it.

I do agree with Salvatore about putting reference to all these tools
in OpenStack docs. I filed a docs bug [1] suggesting that we need to
add (sub-)section to Chapter 12. Network Troubleshooting in OpenStack
Operations Guide [2]. This way, tools will be quickly exposed to the
docs surface and one does not need to spend hours to discover them
from scattered places.

Again, thanks for all input!

Nodir

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1499114
[2] http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/network_troubleshooting.html

On 22 September 2015 at 05:27, Carol Bouchard (caboucha)
<cabou...@cisco.com> wrote:
> There was a presentation on DON at the Vancouver summit.  Here is the link:
>
>
>
> https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/don-diagnosing-ovs-in-neutron
>
>
>
> From: Salvatore Orlando [mailto:salv.orla...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:51 AM
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>
>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool
>
>
>
> Thanks Ganesh!
>
>
>
> I did not know about this tool.
>
> I also quite like the network visualization bits, though I wonder how
> practical that would be when one debugs very large deployments.
>
>
>
> I think it won't be a bad idea to list these tools in the networking guide
> or in neutron's devref, or both.
>
>
>
> Salvatore
>
>
>
> On 22 September 2015 at 04:25, Ganesh Narayanan (ganeshna)
> <ganes...@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Another project for diagnosing OVS in Neutron:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/CiscoSystems/don
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ganesh
>
>
>
> From: Salvatore Orlando <salv.orla...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Date: Monday, 21 September 2015 2:55 pm
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool
>
>
>
> It sounds like indeed that easyOVS covers what you're aiming too.
>
> However, from what I gather there is still plenty to do in easy OVS, so
> perhaps rather than starting a new toolset from scratch you might build on
> the existing one.
>
>
>
> Personally I'd welcome its adoption into the Neutron stadium as debugging
> control plane/data plane issues in the neutron reference impl is becoming
> difficult also for expert users and developers.
>
> I'd just suggest renaming it because calling it "OVS" is just plain wrong.
> The neutron reference implementation and OVS are two distinct things.
>
>
>
> As concern neutron-debug, this is a tool that was developed in the early
> stages of the project to verify connectivity using "probes" in namespaces.
> These probes are simply tap interfaces associated with neutron ports. The
> neutron-debug tool is still used in some devstack exercises. Nevertheless,
> I'd rather keep building something like easyOVS and then deprecated
> neutron-debug rather than develop it.
>
>
>
> Salvatore
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 September 2015 at 02:40, Li Ma <skywalker.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> AFAIK, there is a project available in the github that does the same thing.
> https://github.com/yeasy/easyOVS
>
> I used it before.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Nodir Kodirov <nodir.qodi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am planning to develop a tool for network debugging. Initially, it
>> will handle DVR case, which can also be extended to other too. Based
>> on my OpenStack deployment/operations experience, I am planning to
>> handle common pitfalls/misconfigurations, such as:
>> 1) check external gateway validity
>> 2) check if appropriate qrouter/qdhcp/fip namespaces are created in
>> compute/network hosts
>> 3) execute probing commands inside namespaces, to verify reachability
>> 4) etc.
>>
>> I came across neutron-debug [1], which mostly focuses on namespace
>> debugging. Its coverage is limited to OpenStack, while I am planning
>> to cover compute/network nodes as well. In my experience, I had to ssh
>> to the host(s) to accurately diagnose the failure (e.g., 1, 2 cases
>> above). The tool I am considering will handle these, given the host
>> credentials.
>>
>> I'd like get community's feedback on utility of such debugging tool.
>> Do people use neutron-debug on their OpenStack environment? Doe

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

2015-09-22 Thread Salvatore Orlando 
Thanks Ganesh!

I did not know about this tool.
I also quite like the network visualization bits, though I wonder how
practical that would be when one debugs very large deployments.

I think it won't be a bad idea to list these tools in the networking guide
or in neutron's devref, or both.

Salvatore

On 22 September 2015 at 04:25, Ganesh Narayanan (ganeshna) <
ganes...@cisco.com> wrote:

> Another project for diagnosing OVS in Neutron:
>
> https://github.com/CiscoSystems/don
>
> Thanks,
> Ganesh
>
> From: Salvatore Orlando <salv.orla...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List <
> openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Date: Monday, 21 September 2015 2:55 pm
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool
>
> It sounds like indeed that easyOVS covers what you're aiming too.
> However, from what I gather there is still plenty to do in easy OVS, so
> perhaps rather than starting a new toolset from scratch you might build on
> the existing one.
>
> Personally I'd welcome its adoption into the Neutron stadium as debugging
> control plane/data plane issues in the neutron reference impl is becoming
> difficult also for expert users and developers.
> I'd just suggest renaming it because calling it "OVS" is just plain wrong.
> The neutron reference implementation and OVS are two distinct things.
>
> As concern neutron-debug, this is a tool that was developed in the early
> stages of the project to verify connectivity using "probes" in namespaces.
> These probes are simply tap interfaces associated with neutron ports. The
> neutron-debug tool is still used in some devstack exercises. Nevertheless,
> I'd rather keep building something like easyOVS and then deprecated
> neutron-debug rather than develop it.
>
> Salvatore
>
>
> On 21 September 2015 at 02:40, Li Ma <skywalker.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, there is a project available in the github that does the same
>> thing.
>> https://github.com/yeasy/easyOVS
>>
>> I used it before.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Nodir Kodirov <nodir.qodi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am planning to develop a tool for network debugging. Initially, it
>> > will handle DVR case, which can also be extended to other too. Based
>> > on my OpenStack deployment/operations experience, I am planning to
>> > handle common pitfalls/misconfigurations, such as:
>> > 1) check external gateway validity
>> > 2) check if appropriate qrouter/qdhcp/fip namespaces are created in
>> > compute/network hosts
>> > 3) execute probing commands inside namespaces, to verify reachability
>> > 4) etc.
>> >
>> > I came across neutron-debug [1], which mostly focuses on namespace
>> > debugging. Its coverage is limited to OpenStack, while I am planning
>> > to cover compute/network nodes as well. In my experience, I had to ssh
>> > to the host(s) to accurately diagnose the failure (e.g., 1, 2 cases
>> > above). The tool I am considering will handle these, given the host
>> > credentials.
>> >
>> > I'd like get community's feedback on utility of such debugging tool.
>> > Do people use neutron-debug on their OpenStack environment? Does the
>> > tool I am planning to develop with complete diagnosis coverage sound
>> > useful? Anyone is interested to join the development? All feedback are
>> > welcome.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > - Nodir
>> >
>> > [1]
>> http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/neutron-debug_commands.html
>> >
>> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

2015-09-22 Thread Carol Bouchard (caboucha) 
There was a presentation on DON at the Vancouver summit.  Here is the link:

https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/don-diagnosing-ovs-in-neutron

From: Salvatore Orlando [mailto:salv.orla...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:51 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

Thanks Ganesh!

I did not know about this tool.
I also quite like the network visualization bits, though I wonder how practical 
that would be when one debugs very large deployments.

I think it won't be a bad idea to list these tools in the networking guide or 
in neutron's devref, or both.

Salvatore

On 22 September 2015 at 04:25, Ganesh Narayanan (ganeshna) 
<ganes...@cisco.com<mailto:ganes...@cisco.com>> wrote:
Another project for diagnosing OVS in Neutron:

https://github.com/CiscoSystems/don

Thanks,
Ganesh

From: Salvatore Orlando <salv.orla...@gmail.com<mailto:salv.orla...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Date: Monday, 21 September 2015 2:55 pm
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

It sounds like indeed that easyOVS covers what you're aiming too.
However, from what I gather there is still plenty to do in easy OVS, so perhaps 
rather than starting a new toolset from scratch you might build on the existing 
one.

Personally I'd welcome its adoption into the Neutron stadium as debugging 
control plane/data plane issues in the neutron reference impl is becoming 
difficult also for expert users and developers.
I'd just suggest renaming it because calling it "OVS" is just plain wrong. The 
neutron reference implementation and OVS are two distinct things.

As concern neutron-debug, this is a tool that was developed in the early stages 
of the project to verify connectivity using "probes" in namespaces. These 
probes are simply tap interfaces associated with neutron ports. The 
neutron-debug tool is still used in some devstack exercises. Nevertheless, I'd 
rather keep building something like easyOVS and then deprecated neutron-debug 
rather than develop it.

Salvatore


On 21 September 2015 at 02:40, Li Ma 
<skywalker.n...@gmail.com<mailto:skywalker.n...@gmail.com>> wrote:
AFAIK, there is a project available in the github that does the same thing.
https://github.com/yeasy/easyOVS

I used it before.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Nodir Kodirov 
<nodir.qodi...@gmail.com<mailto:nodir.qodi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am planning to develop a tool for network debugging. Initially, it
> will handle DVR case, which can also be extended to other too. Based
> on my OpenStack deployment/operations experience, I am planning to
> handle common pitfalls/misconfigurations, such as:
> 1) check external gateway validity
> 2) check if appropriate qrouter/qdhcp/fip namespaces are created in
> compute/network hosts
> 3) execute probing commands inside namespaces, to verify reachability
> 4) etc.
>
> I came across neutron-debug [1], which mostly focuses on namespace
> debugging. Its coverage is limited to OpenStack, while I am planning
> to cover compute/network nodes as well. In my experience, I had to ssh
> to the host(s) to accurately diagnose the failure (e.g., 1, 2 cases
> above). The tool I am considering will handle these, given the host
> credentials.
>
> I'd like get community's feedback on utility of such debugging tool.
> Do people use neutron-debug on their OpenStack environment? Does the
> tool I am planning to develop with complete diagnosis coverage sound
> useful? Anyone is interested to join the development? All feedback are
> welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Nodir
>
> [1] 
> http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/neutron-debug_commands.html
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

2015-09-21 Thread Ganesh Narayanan (ganeshna) 
Another project for diagnosing OVS in Neutron:

https://github.com/CiscoSystems/don

Thanks,
Ganesh

From: Salvatore Orlando <salv.orla...@gmail.com<mailto:salv.orla...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Date: Monday, 21 September 2015 2:55 pm
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

It sounds like indeed that easyOVS covers what you're aiming too.
However, from what I gather there is still plenty to do in easy OVS, so perhaps 
rather than starting a new toolset from scratch you might build on the existing 
one.

Personally I'd welcome its adoption into the Neutron stadium as debugging 
control plane/data plane issues in the neutron reference impl is becoming 
difficult also for expert users and developers.
I'd just suggest renaming it because calling it "OVS" is just plain wrong. The 
neutron reference implementation and OVS are two distinct things.

As concern neutron-debug, this is a tool that was developed in the early stages 
of the project to verify connectivity using "probes" in namespaces. These 
probes are simply tap interfaces associated with neutron ports. The 
neutron-debug tool is still used in some devstack exercises. Nevertheless, I'd 
rather keep building something like easyOVS and then deprecated neutron-debug 
rather than develop it.

Salvatore


On 21 September 2015 at 02:40, Li Ma 
<skywalker.n...@gmail.com<mailto:skywalker.n...@gmail.com>> wrote:
AFAIK, there is a project available in the github that does the same thing.
https://github.com/yeasy/easyOVS

I used it before.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Nodir Kodirov 
<nodir.qodi...@gmail.com<mailto:nodir.qodi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am planning to develop a tool for network debugging. Initially, it
> will handle DVR case, which can also be extended to other too. Based
> on my OpenStack deployment/operations experience, I am planning to
> handle common pitfalls/misconfigurations, such as:
> 1) check external gateway validity
> 2) check if appropriate qrouter/qdhcp/fip namespaces are created in
> compute/network hosts
> 3) execute probing commands inside namespaces, to verify reachability
> 4) etc.
>
> I came across neutron-debug [1], which mostly focuses on namespace
> debugging. Its coverage is limited to OpenStack, while I am planning
> to cover compute/network nodes as well. In my experience, I had to ssh
> to the host(s) to accurately diagnose the failure (e.g., 1, 2 cases
> above). The tool I am considering will handle these, given the host
> credentials.
>
> I'd like get community's feedback on utility of such debugging tool.
> Do people use neutron-debug on their OpenStack environment? Does the
> tool I am planning to develop with complete diagnosis coverage sound
> useful? Anyone is interested to join the development? All feedback are
> welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Nodir
>
> [1] 
> http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/neutron-debug_commands.html
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

2015-09-21 Thread Salvatore Orlando 
It sounds like indeed that easyOVS covers what you're aiming too.
However, from what I gather there is still plenty to do in easy OVS, so
perhaps rather than starting a new toolset from scratch you might build on
the existing one.

Personally I'd welcome its adoption into the Neutron stadium as debugging
control plane/data plane issues in the neutron reference impl is becoming
difficult also for expert users and developers.
I'd just suggest renaming it because calling it "OVS" is just plain wrong.
The neutron reference implementation and OVS are two distinct things.

As concern neutron-debug, this is a tool that was developed in the early
stages of the project to verify connectivity using "probes" in namespaces.
These probes are simply tap interfaces associated with neutron ports. The
neutron-debug tool is still used in some devstack exercises. Nevertheless,
I'd rather keep building something like easyOVS and then deprecated
neutron-debug rather than develop it.

Salvatore


On 21 September 2015 at 02:40, Li Ma  wrote:

> AFAIK, there is a project available in the github that does the same thing.
> https://github.com/yeasy/easyOVS
>
> I used it before.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Nodir Kodirov 
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am planning to develop a tool for network debugging. Initially, it
> > will handle DVR case, which can also be extended to other too. Based
> > on my OpenStack deployment/operations experience, I am planning to
> > handle common pitfalls/misconfigurations, such as:
> > 1) check external gateway validity
> > 2) check if appropriate qrouter/qdhcp/fip namespaces are created in
> > compute/network hosts
> > 3) execute probing commands inside namespaces, to verify reachability
> > 4) etc.
> >
> > I came across neutron-debug [1], which mostly focuses on namespace
> > debugging. Its coverage is limited to OpenStack, while I am planning
> > to cover compute/network nodes as well. In my experience, I had to ssh
> > to the host(s) to accurately diagnose the failure (e.g., 1, 2 cases
> > above). The tool I am considering will handle these, given the host
> > credentials.
> >
> > I'd like get community's feedback on utility of such debugging tool.
> > Do people use neutron-debug on their OpenStack environment? Does the
> > tool I am planning to develop with complete diagnosis coverage sound
> > useful? Anyone is interested to join the development? All feedback are
> > welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Nodir
> >
> > [1]
> http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/neutron-debug_commands.html
> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron debugging tool

2015-09-20 Thread Li Ma 
AFAIK, there is a project available in the github that does the same thing.
https://github.com/yeasy/easyOVS

I used it before.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Nodir Kodirov  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am planning to develop a tool for network debugging. Initially, it
> will handle DVR case, which can also be extended to other too. Based
> on my OpenStack deployment/operations experience, I am planning to
> handle common pitfalls/misconfigurations, such as:
> 1) check external gateway validity
> 2) check if appropriate qrouter/qdhcp/fip namespaces are created in
> compute/network hosts
> 3) execute probing commands inside namespaces, to verify reachability
> 4) etc.
>
> I came across neutron-debug [1], which mostly focuses on namespace
> debugging. Its coverage is limited to OpenStack, while I am planning
> to cover compute/network nodes as well. In my experience, I had to ssh
> to the host(s) to accurately diagnose the failure (e.g., 1, 2 cases
> above). The tool I am considering will handle these, given the host
> credentials.
>
> I'd like get community's feedback on utility of such debugging tool.
> Do people use neutron-debug on their OpenStack environment? Does the
> tool I am planning to develop with complete diagnosis coverage sound
> useful? Anyone is interested to join the development? All feedback are
> welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Nodir
>
> [1] 
> http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/neutron-debug_commands.html
>
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