Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-13 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 Hi folks:

 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.

 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.

 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle

 Folks, just an update, but the host organization is running into some
 trouble with the selected dates of Dec 8-10. We may need to shift the
 dates by a week to Dec. 15-17. If you've already booked travel, please
 ping me privately, otherwise hold off for another day until we sort
 this out. Apologies for the trouble here.

OK, we're keeping the mid-cycle at the same place and time: December
8-19 at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah. We worked through the
scheduling kinks. For those who booked travel, you're safe. :)

Thanks!
Kyle

 Thanks,
 Kyle

 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-13 Thread Kevin Benton
December 8-19? 11 day mid-cycle seems a little intense...

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com
 wrote:
  Hi folks:
 
  Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
  confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
  on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
  (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
  USA.
 
  We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
  etherpad later today.
 
  Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
  Kyle
 
  Folks, just an update, but the host organization is running into some
  trouble with the selected dates of Dec 8-10. We may need to shift the
  dates by a week to Dec. 15-17. If you've already booked travel, please
  ping me privately, otherwise hold off for another day until we sort
  this out. Apologies for the trouble here.
 
 OK, we're keeping the mid-cycle at the same place and time: December
 8-19 at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah. We worked through the
 scheduling kinks. For those who booked travel, you're safe. :)

 Thanks!
 Kyle

  Thanks,
  Kyle
 
  [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-13 Thread Salvatore Orlando
No worries,

you get one day off over the weekend. And you also get to choose if it's
saturday or sunday.

Salvatore

On 13 November 2014 20:05, Kevin Benton blak...@gmail.com wrote:

 December 8-19? 11 day mid-cycle seems a little intense...

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com
 wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com
 wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com
 wrote:
  Hi folks:
 
  Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
  confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
  on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
  (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
  USA.
 
  We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
  etherpad later today.
 
  Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
  Kyle
 
  Folks, just an update, but the host organization is running into some
  trouble with the selected dates of Dec 8-10. We may need to shift the
  dates by a week to Dec. 15-17. If you've already booked travel, please
  ping me privately, otherwise hold off for another day until we sort
  this out. Apologies for the trouble here.
 
 OK, we're keeping the mid-cycle at the same place and time: December
 8-19 at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah. We worked through the
 scheduling kinks. For those who booked travel, you're safe. :)

 Thanks!
 Kyle

  Thanks,
  Kyle
 
  [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-13 Thread Carl Baldwin
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Salvatore Orlando sorla...@nicira.com wrote:
 No worries,

 you get one day off over the weekend. And you also get to choose if it's
 saturday or sunday.

I didn't think it was going to be a whole day.

 Salvatore

 On 13 November 2014 20:05, Kevin Benton blak...@gmail.com wrote:

 December 8-19? 11 day mid-cycle seems a little intense...

If you thought the summits fried your brain...

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-13 Thread Kyle Mestery
A severe typo hopefully didn't result in people booking week and a half trips 
to Lehi!

The mid-cycle is as originally planned: December 8-10.

Thanks,
Kyle

 On Nov 13, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Carl Baldwin c...@ecbaldwin.net wrote:
 
 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Salvatore Orlando sorla...@nicira.com 
 wrote:
 No worries,
 
 you get one day off over the weekend. And you also get to choose if it's
 saturday or sunday.
 
 I didn't think it was going to be a whole day.
 
 Salvatore
 
 On 13 November 2014 20:05, Kevin Benton blak...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 December 8-19? 11 day mid-cycle seems a little intense...
 
 If you thought the summits fried your brain...
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-13 Thread Miguel Ángel Ajo
I was willing to go, (plane is ~850€ from Madrid) but it’s going to push
too much stress on my family  as it’s too close to the summit.  
(I need to add at least 3 more days because of flights).

I’d love to participate remotely, even with the timezone differences,
if you find a way to leave “homework to the ones at CEST without  
making your work more difficult I’d allocate those days to help where  
I can/It’s needed.


Miguel Ángel
ajo @ freenode.net


On Friday, 14 de November de 2014 at 00:17, Kyle Mestery wrote:

 A severe typo hopefully didn't result in people booking week and a half trips 
 to Lehi!
  
 The mid-cycle is as originally planned: December 8-10.
  
 Thanks,
 Kyle
  
  On Nov 13, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Carl Baldwin c...@ecbaldwin.net 
  (mailto:c...@ecbaldwin.net) wrote:
   
   On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Salvatore Orlando sorla...@nicira.com 
   (mailto:sorla...@nicira.com) wrote:
   No worries,

   you get one day off over the weekend. And you also get to choose if it's
   saturday or sunday.

   
   
  I didn't think it was going to be a whole day.
   
   Salvatore

On 13 November 2014 20:05, Kevin Benton blak...@gmail.com 
(mailto:blak...@gmail.com) wrote:
 
December 8-19? 11 day mid-cycle seems a little intense...
   
  If you thought the summits fried your brain...
   
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-12 Thread Anita Kuno
On 11/12/2014 08:04 AM, marios wrote:
 On 12/11/14 04:17, Clint Byrum wrote:
 Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an
 important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication between
 contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a
 useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth
 slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not be
 a productive thing as a whole.

 Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before.
 
 I understand but I am definitely not saying the room should slow down
 for someone on hangout - heck I'd be ecstatic if microphones are even
 used). In my experience this can work best if it is understood that
 remotees have a read-only feed into the room audio (best case + video of
 slides) - it makes the world of difference compared to say just staring
 at the etherpad being updated.  I don't see this as having a high cost
 to setup (just point a laptop at the speaker, end),
 
 If you are a remotee and need read/write into the meeeting then you
 should prepare beforehand and have stuff written down to share. It is
 only common courtesy, and I absolutely agree it would be in the very
 least inconsiderate to expect the room to stop/slow down to allow any
 kind of conversation to happen over hangout. In fact, just click the
 on-air button and that way you get a youtube link to share, which
 obviously *is* read-only (r/w participation is limited @ 10 afaik),
 
 my 2c, thanks, marios
You seem to have put quite a bit of thought into this marios, why can't
you attend? If the reason is purely financial, please approach Kyle in
private and I will contact him as well to see if we can access some
finances for folks committed to working on the technical debt for
neutron that need financial assistance.

Having you there is far more productive than not.

Thank you,
Anita.
 
 

 Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800:
 +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going



 _sent from my mobile device, sorry for spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_

 -Original Message-
 From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
 Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) 
 [openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com wrote:
 Hi,
 For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
 Thanks
 Gary

 We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
 Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.

 Thanks!
 Kyle

 On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

 Hi folks:

 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.

 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.

 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle

 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-12 Thread marios
On 12/11/14 11:18, Anita Kuno wrote:
 On 11/12/2014 08:04 AM, marios wrote:
 On 12/11/14 04:17, Clint Byrum wrote:
 Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an
 important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication between
 contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a
 useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth
 slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not be
 a productive thing as a whole.

 Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before.

 I understand but I am definitely not saying the room should slow down
 for someone on hangout - heck I'd be ecstatic if microphones are even
 used). In my experience this can work best if it is understood that
 remotees have a read-only feed into the room audio (best case + video of
 slides) - it makes the world of difference compared to say just staring
 at the etherpad being updated.  I don't see this as having a high cost
 to setup (just point a laptop at the speaker, end),

 If you are a remotee and need read/write into the meeeting then you
 should prepare beforehand and have stuff written down to share. It is
 only common courtesy, and I absolutely agree it would be in the very
 least inconsiderate to expect the room to stop/slow down to allow any
 kind of conversation to happen over hangout. In fact, just click the
 on-air button and that way you get a youtube link to share, which
 obviously *is* read-only (r/w participation is limited @ 10 afaik),

 my 2c, thanks, marios
 You seem to have put quite a bit of thought into this marios, why can't
 you attend? If the reason is purely financial, please approach Kyle in
 private and I will contact him as well to see if we can access some
 finances for folks committed to working on the technical debt for
 neutron that need financial assistance.

thanks very much for your kind offer Anita :) - my gut feeling is that
this kind of funding shouldn't be used to subsidize travel for corporate
engineers, but it is excellent to know it is there regardles.

To be fair I haven't even mentioned this to my manager - imo it doesn't
make sense for this one. The specific technical debt I scored at summit
is functional testing for l2-agent and dhcp-agent (as well as the
general 'help out/reviews etc'). Neither of those are controversial or
require any particular deep discussion about approach :). I am based in
the far eastern Mediterranean so 1 month is probably also very close to
the minimum time before which you can comfortably plan travel to the states.

thanks! marios

 
 Having you there is far more productive than not.
 
 Thank you,
 Anita.



 Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800:
 +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going



 _sent from my mobile device, sorry for spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_

 -Original Message-
 From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
 Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) 
 [openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com wrote:
 Hi,
 For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
 Thanks
 Gary

 We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
 Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.

 Thanks!
 Kyle

 On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

 Hi folks:

 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.

 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.

 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle

 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-12 Thread Salvatore Orlando
On 12 November 2014 09:53, marios mar...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 12/11/14 11:18, Anita Kuno wrote:
  On 11/12/2014 08:04 AM, marios wrote:
  On 12/11/14 04:17, Clint Byrum wrote:
  Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an
  important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication
 between
  contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a
  useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth
  slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not
 be
  a productive thing as a whole.
 
  Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before.
 
  I understand but I am definitely not saying the room should slow down
  for someone on hangout - heck I'd be ecstatic if microphones are even
  used). In my experience this can work best if it is understood that
  remotees have a read-only feed into the room audio (best case + video of
  slides) - it makes the world of difference compared to say just staring
  at the etherpad being updated.  I don't see this as having a high cost
  to setup (just point a laptop at the speaker, end),
 
  If you are a remotee and need read/write into the meeeting then you
  should prepare beforehand and have stuff written down to share. It is
  only common courtesy, and I absolutely agree it would be in the very
  least inconsiderate to expect the room to stop/slow down to allow any
  kind of conversation to happen over hangout. In fact, just click the
  on-air button and that way you get a youtube link to share, which
  obviously *is* read-only (r/w participation is limited @ 10 afaik),
 
  my 2c, thanks, marios
  You seem to have put quite a bit of thought into this marios, why can't
  you attend? If the reason is purely financial, please approach Kyle in
  private and I will contact him as well to see if we can access some
  finances for folks committed to working on the technical debt for
  neutron that need financial assistance.

 thanks very much for your kind offer Anita :) - my gut feeling is that
 this kind of funding shouldn't be used to subsidize travel for corporate
 engineers, but it is excellent to know it is there regardles.


You should not see yourself as evil and not worth using foundation budget
just because you work for a private enterprise!
After all - it's corporations like yours and mine which fund OpenStack.
If for any reason your employer can' authorise your travel, and - obviously
- if you want to come, you should probably do as Anita suggests.


 To be fair I haven't even mentioned this to my manager - imo it doesn't
 make sense for this one. The specific technical debt I scored at summit
 is functional testing for l2-agent and dhcp-agent (as well as the
 general 'help out/reviews etc').


As we are working to get somebody from QA  Infra at the meetup, we will
probably have a working table dedicated to testing.


 Neither of those are controversial or
 require any particular deep discussion about approach :).


We're not meeting to argue or have fights. There's already a summit every 6
months for that! This meeting is about finalizing designs into low level
aspects and then getting our hands dirty on the keyboard.


 I am based in
 the far eastern Mediterranean so 1 month is probably also very close to
 the minimum time before which you can comfortably plan travel to the
 states.


Fortunately there are no easyjets or ryanairs for intercontinental flights.
You can buy reasonably priced tickets up to 2 weeks before departure. Idk
where you are precisely but flights from London, Rome, and Munich to Salt
Lake City are around 850 euros at the moment.



 thanks! marios

 
  Having you there is far more productive than not.
 
  Thank you,
  Anita.
 
 
 
  Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800:
  +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going
 
 
 
  _sent from my mobile device, sorry for
 spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
  Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
  To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) [
 openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
  Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement
 
  On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com
 wrote:
  Hi,
  For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
  Thanks
  Gary
 
  We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
  Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.
 
  Thanks!
  Kyle
 
  On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 
  Hi folks:
 
  Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I
 was
  confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the
 details
  on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
  (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi,
 Utah,
  USA.
 
  We're still collecting information on hotels

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-12 Thread Anita Kuno
On 11/12/2014 11:06 AM, Salvatore Orlando wrote:
 On 12 November 2014 09:53, marios mar...@redhat.com wrote:
 
 On 12/11/14 11:18, Anita Kuno wrote:
 On 11/12/2014 08:04 AM, marios wrote:
 On 12/11/14 04:17, Clint Byrum wrote:
 Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an
 important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication
 between
 contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a
 useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth
 slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not
 be
 a productive thing as a whole.

 Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before.

 I understand but I am definitely not saying the room should slow down
 for someone on hangout - heck I'd be ecstatic if microphones are even
 used). In my experience this can work best if it is understood that
 remotees have a read-only feed into the room audio (best case + video of
 slides) - it makes the world of difference compared to say just staring
 at the etherpad being updated.  I don't see this as having a high cost
 to setup (just point a laptop at the speaker, end),

 If you are a remotee and need read/write into the meeeting then you
 should prepare beforehand and have stuff written down to share. It is
 only common courtesy, and I absolutely agree it would be in the very
 least inconsiderate to expect the room to stop/slow down to allow any
 kind of conversation to happen over hangout. In fact, just click the
 on-air button and that way you get a youtube link to share, which
 obviously *is* read-only (r/w participation is limited @ 10 afaik),

 my 2c, thanks, marios
 You seem to have put quite a bit of thought into this marios, why can't
 you attend? If the reason is purely financial, please approach Kyle in
 private and I will contact him as well to see if we can access some
 finances for folks committed to working on the technical debt for
 neutron that need financial assistance.

 thanks very much for your kind offer Anita :) - my gut feeling is that
 this kind of funding shouldn't be used to subsidize travel for corporate
 engineers, but it is excellent to know it is there regardles.

 
 You should not see yourself as evil and not worth using foundation budget
 just because you work for a private enterprise!
 After all - it's corporations like yours and mine which fund OpenStack.
 If for any reason your employer can' authorise your travel, and - obviously
 - if you want to come, you should probably do as Anita suggests.
Thanks Salvadore.

Please start by talking to your manager, marios, if they are willing to
finance any part of your travel (accommodation or food) that is a start.
We can see about organizing car pooling for you. I have a friend in Lehi
who has recommended I rent a car which I am planning on doing. We can
work with others who rent cars to ensure you have a ride to and from the
airport, to meetings, to restaurants and whereever else you need to travel.

The main decision point is if you want to come. If you want to come we
will do our best to help you attend. But only you can make that
decision. Do let use know what you want.

Thanks,
Anita.
 
 
 To be fair I haven't even mentioned this to my manager - imo it doesn't
 make sense for this one. The specific technical debt I scored at summit
 is functional testing for l2-agent and dhcp-agent (as well as the
 general 'help out/reviews etc').
 
 
 As we are working to get somebody from QA  Infra at the meetup, we will
 probably have a working table dedicated to testing.
 
 
 Neither of those are controversial or
 require any particular deep discussion about approach :).
 
 
 We're not meeting to argue or have fights. There's already a summit every 6
 months for that! This meeting is about finalizing designs into low level
 aspects and then getting our hands dirty on the keyboard.
 
 
 I am based in
 the far eastern Mediterranean so 1 month is probably also very close to
 the minimum time before which you can comfortably plan travel to the
 states.


 Fortunately there are no easyjets or ryanairs for intercontinental flights.
 You can buy reasonably priced tickets up to 2 weeks before departure. Idk
 where you are precisely but flights from London, Rome, and Munich to Salt
 Lake City are around 850 euros at the moment.
 
 
 
 thanks! marios


 Having you there is far more productive than not.

 Thank you,
 Anita.



 Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800:
 +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going



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 From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
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 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-12 Thread marios
 at the moment.



 thanks! marios


 Having you there is far more productive than not.

 Thank you,
 Anita.



 Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800:
 +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going



 _sent from my mobile device, sorry for
 spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_

 -Original Message-
 From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
 Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) [
 openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com
 wrote:
 Hi,
 For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
 Thanks
 Gary

 We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
 Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.

 Thanks!
 Kyle

 On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

 Hi folks:

 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I
 was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the
 details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi,
 Utah,
 USA.

 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.

 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle

 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-12 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 Hi folks:

 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.

 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.

 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle

Folks, just an update, but the host organization is running into some
trouble with the selected dates of Dec 8-10. We may need to shift the
dates by a week to Dec. 15-17. If you've already booked travel, please
ping me privately, otherwise hold off for another day until we sort
this out. Apologies for the trouble here.

Thanks,
Kyle

 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-12 Thread Edgar Magana
I cant attend it if it moves to the week of Dec 15th. I have already booked a 
trip for that week and even other commitments. 

Is there any chance to push it back to Dec 8th?

Thanks,

Edgar

 On Nov 13, 2014, at 2:18 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 Hi folks:
 
 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.
 
 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.
 
 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle
 Folks, just an update, but the host organization is running into some
 trouble with the selected dates of Dec 8-10. We may need to shift the
 dates by a week to Dec. 15-17. If you've already booked travel, please
 ping me privately, otherwise hold off for another day until we sort
 this out. Apologies for the trouble here.
 
 Thanks,
 Kyle
 
 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread Gary Kotton
Hi,
For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
Thanks
Gary

On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

Hi folks:

Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
(Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
USA.

We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
etherpad later today.

Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
Kyle

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com wrote:
 Hi,
 For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
 Thanks
 Gary

We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.

Thanks!
Kyle

 On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

Hi folks:

Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
(Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
USA.

We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
etherpad later today.

Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
Kyle

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
Kyle Mestery wrote:
 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.

Could you add it to the list @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints ?
Cheers,

-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread Marios Andreou
+1 would be great to at least have a hangout going



_sent from my mobile device, sorry for spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_


-Original Message-
From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) 
[openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com wrote:
 Hi,
 For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
 Thanks
 Gary

We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.

Thanks!
Kyle

 On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

Hi folks:

Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
(Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
USA.

We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
etherpad later today.

Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
Kyle

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread Gregory Lebovitz
I'd be happy to donate a Go To Meeting for the session, if desired. Not
sure if / how it is better than Google Hangout. I know we can get GTM's for
100's of participants. Not sure how many Google Hangout can support, with
something like slide sharing occuring. Anyway, let me know if you'd like me
to set one up.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com wrote:
  Hi,
  For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
  Thanks
  Gary
 
 We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
 Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.

 Thanks!
 Kyle

  On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks:
 
 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.
 
 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.
 
 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle
 
 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote:
 Kyle Mestery wrote:
 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.

 Could you add it to the list @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints ?
 Cheers,

Done, thanks for the heads up! Also, I've deprecated the etherpad and
moved everything to the wiki page here [1].

Thanks,
Kyle

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/NeutronKiloSprint

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an
important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication between
contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a
useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth
slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not be
a productive thing as a whole.

Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before.

Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800:
 +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going
 
 
 
 _sent from my mobile device, sorry for spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
 Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) 
 [openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement
 
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com wrote:
  Hi,
  For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
  Thanks
  Gary
 
 We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
 Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.
 
 Thanks!
 Kyle
 
  On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks:
 
 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.
 
 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.
 
 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle
 
 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

2014-11-11 Thread marios
On 12/11/14 04:17, Clint Byrum wrote:
 Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an
 important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication between
 contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a
 useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth
 slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not be
 a productive thing as a whole.
 
 Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before.

I understand but I am definitely not saying the room should slow down
for someone on hangout - heck I'd be ecstatic if microphones are even
used). In my experience this can work best if it is understood that
remotees have a read-only feed into the room audio (best case + video of
slides) - it makes the world of difference compared to say just staring
at the etherpad being updated.  I don't see this as having a high cost
to setup (just point a laptop at the speaker, end),

If you are a remotee and need read/write into the meeeting then you
should prepare beforehand and have stuff written down to share. It is
only common courtesy, and I absolutely agree it would be in the very
least inconsiderate to expect the room to stop/slow down to allow any
kind of conversation to happen over hangout. In fact, just click the
on-air button and that way you get a youtube link to share, which
obviously *is* read-only (r/w participation is limited @ 10 afaik),

my 2c, thanks, marios


 
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 +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going



 _sent from my mobile device, sorry for spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_

 -Original Message-
 From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
 Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) 
 [openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton gkot...@vmware.com wrote:
 Hi,
 For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
 Thanks
 Gary

 We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
 Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.

 Thanks!
 Kyle

 On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, Kyle Mestery mest...@mestery.com wrote:

 Hi folks:

 Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I was
 confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the details
 on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
 (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, Utah,
 USA.

 We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
 etherpad later today.

 Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
 Kyle

 [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle

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