Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-19 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 03:54:37PM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/12/2014 03:40 PM, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote: [. . .] (Sorry for the late response, was off for a week.) So, effectively, you're trying to add a minimal Fedora image w/ virt-preview repo (as part of some post-install

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-12 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 15:25 -0700, Joe Gordon wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-08 at 09:06 -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/07/2014 08:06 PM, Michael Still wrote: It seems to me that the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:25:39PM -0700, Joe Gordon wrote: I am not sure if I follow. The gate issue with live snapshots has been worked around by turning it off [0], so presumably this patch is forward facing. I fail to see how this patch is needed to help the gate in the future. Wouldn't

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-12 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/12/2014 05:54 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: I am less concerned about the contents of this patch, and more concerned with how such a big de facto change in nova policy (we accept untested code sometimes) without any discussion or consensus. In your comment on the revert [2], you say the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-12 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 08:05:26AM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/11/2014 07:58 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/11/2014 05:53 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: There is work to add support for this in devestack already which I prefer since it makes it easy for developers to get an

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-12 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/12/2014 03:40 PM, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 08:05:26AM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/11/2014 07:58 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/11/2014 05:53 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: There is work to add support for this in devestack already which I prefer since it

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-12 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 15:25 -0700, Joe Gordon wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-08 at 09:06 -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2014-08-08 at 09:06 -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/07/2014 08:06 PM, Michael Still wrote: It seems to me that the tension here is that there are groups who would really like to use features in newer libvirts that we don't CI on in the gate. Is it naive to think that a possible

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 08:57:31AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2014-08-08 09:06:29 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: [...] We've seen several times that building and maintaining 3rd party CI is a *lot* of work.

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 09:06:29AM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/07/2014 08:06 PM, Michael Still wrote: It seems to me that the tension here is that there are groups who would really like to use features in newer libvirts that we don't CI on in the gate. Is it naive to think that a

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Gary Kotton
In the past there was smokestack that used a fedora version of libvirt. Any idea what happened to that? On 8/11/14, 12:53 PM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 09:06:29AM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/07/2014 08:06 PM, Michael Still wrote: It seems to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/11/2014 05:53 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: There is work to add support for this in devestack already which I prefer since it makes it easy for developers to get an environment which matches the build system: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108714/ Ah, cool. Devstack is indeed a

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:58:41AM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/11/2014 05:53 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: There is work to add support for this in devestack already which I prefer since it makes it easy for developers to get an environment which matches the build system:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/09/2014 12:33 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-08-08 09:06:29 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: [...] We've seen several times that building and maintaining 3rd party CI is a *lot* of work. Building and maintaining *any* CI is a *lot* of work, not the least of which is the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/11/2014 07:58 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/11/2014 05:53 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: There is work to add support for this in devestack already which I prefer since it makes it easy for developers to get an environment which matches the build system:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/11/2014 08:01 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:58:41AM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/11/2014 05:53 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: There is work to add support for this in devestack already which I prefer since it makes it easy for developers to get an

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-08-11 08:04:34 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: Dang, I'd love to see those numbers. :-) Me too. Now that I'm not travelling I'll see if I can find out what he meant by that. Understood. Some questions ... is building an image that has libvirt and qemu pre-installed from source

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/11/2014 09:17 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-08-11 08:04:34 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: Dang, I'd love to see those numbers. :-) Me too. Now that I'm not travelling I'll see if I can find out what he meant by that. Understood. Some questions ... is building an image

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-08-11 08:07:02 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: There's a pypi mirror at least. I'm not sure about mirroring other things. Right, that's a specific solution for mirroring the pypi.python.org cheeseshop. We've got our (Infra) sights set on mirroring Ubuntu and CentOS package

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:45:56PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-08-11 08:07:02 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: There's a pypi mirror at least. I'm not sure about mirroring other things. Right, that's a specific solution for mirroring the pypi.python.org cheeseshop. We've got

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-08-11 14:56:27 +0100 (+0100), Daniel P. Berrange wrote: If there are specific things we could do to libvirt.org / qemu.org download sites, to make mirroring easier or more reliable for OpenStack, we could certainly explore options there, since we know the right people involved in both

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-11 Thread Joe Gordon
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-08 at 09:06 -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/07/2014 08:06 PM, Michael Still wrote: It seems to me that the tension here is that there are groups who would really like to use features in newer

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-10 Thread Michael Still
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2014-08-08 09:06:29 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: [...] We've seen several times that building and maintaining 3rd party CI is a *lot* of work. Building and maintaining *any* CI is a *lot* of work, not the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-08-08 09:06:29 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: [...] We've seen several times that building and maintaining 3rd party CI is a *lot* of work. Building and maintaining *any* CI is a *lot* of work, not the least of which is the official OpenStack project CI (I believe Monty mentioned

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-08 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/07/2014 08:06 PM, Michael Still wrote: It seems to me that the tension here is that there are groups who would really like to use features in newer libvirts that we don't CI on in the gate. Is it naive to think that a possible solution here is to do the following: - revert the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-08 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/08/2014 01:46 AM, Luke Gorrie wrote: On 8 August 2014 02:06, Michael Still mi...@stillhq.com mailto:mi...@stillhq.com wrote: 1: I think that ultimately should live in infra as part of check, but I'd be ok with it starting as a third party if that delivers us something

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-08 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 8 August 2014 15:27, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: It sounds like what you're working on is a separate thing. Roger. Just wanted to check if our work could have some broader utility, but as you say we do have a specific use case in mind. Cheers! -Luke

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-08 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/08/2014 09:06 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: - instead implement a third party CI with the latest available libvirt release [1] As for the general idea of doing CI, absolutely. That was discussed earlier in the thread, though nobody has picked up the ball yet. I can work on it, though.

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-07 Thread Michael Still
It seems to me that the tension here is that there are groups who would really like to use features in newer libvirts that we don't CI on in the gate. Is it naive to think that a possible solution here is to do the following: - revert the libvirt version_cap flag - instead implement a third

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-07 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 8 August 2014 02:06, Michael Still mi...@stillhq.com wrote: 1: I think that ultimately should live in infra as part of check, but I'd be ok with it starting as a third party if that delivers us something faster. I'd be happy enough to donate resources to get that going if we decide to go

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-08-07 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 7/18/2014 2:55 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:13:13PM -0700, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/17/2014 02:31 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: It kind of helps. It's still implicit in that you need to look at

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-18 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:13:13PM -0700, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/17/2014 02:31 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: It kind of helps. It's still implicit in that you need to look at what features are enabled at what version and

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:46:12AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Top posting to the original email because I want this to stand out... I've added this to the agenda for the nova mid cycle meetup, I think most of the contributors to this thread will be there. So, if we can nail this down here

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Sean Dague
On 07/17/2014 12:45 AM, Michael Still wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:28 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:12:47AM -0700, Clark Boylan wrote: I am worried that we would

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:38:44PM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote: On 07/16/2014 11:59 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 07/16/2014 07:27 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: This is a really good point. As someone who has to deal with packaging issues constantly, it is odd to me that libvirt is one of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Sean Dague
On 07/16/2014 05:08 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:15 +0200, Sean Dague wrote: .. Based on these experiences, libvirt version differences seem to be as substantial as major hypervisor differences. There is a proposal here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103923/ to hold

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:59:27AM +0200, Sean Dague wrote: We've talked about the 'CI the world plan' for a while, which this would be part of. That's a ton of work that no one is signed up for. But more importantly setting up and running the tests is 10% of the time cost. Triage and

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 09:58 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:46:12AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Top posting to the original email because I want this to stand out... I've added this to the agenda for the nova mid cycle meetup, I think most of the contributors

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Sean Dague
On 07/17/2014 02:13 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 09:58 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:46:12AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Top posting to the original email because I want this to stand out... I've added this to the agenda for the nova mid cycle

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Sean Dague
On 07/16/2014 08:15 PM, Eric Windisch wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Roman Bogorodskiy rbogorods...@mirantis.com mailto:rbogorods...@mirantis.com wrote: Eric Windisch wrote: This thread highlights more deeply the problems for the FreeBSD folks. First, I

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 09:44:55AM -0700, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: No, there are features or code paths of the libvirt 1.2.5+ driver that aren't as well tested as the class A designation implies. And we have a proposal to make

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Chuck Short
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 09:58 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:46:12AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: Top posting to the original email because I want this to stand out... I've added this

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Friesen's message of 2014-07-16 11:38:44 -0700: On 07/16/2014 11:59 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 07/16/2014 07:27 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: This is a really good point. As someone who has to deal with packaging issues constantly, it is odd to me that libvirt is one

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Russell Bryant
On 07/17/2014 11:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 09:44:55AM -0700, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: No, there are features or code paths of the libvirt 1.2.5+ driver that aren't as well tested as the class A

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Johannes Erdfelt
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 09:44:55AM -0700, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: So that means the libvirt driver will be a mix of tested and untested features, but only the tested code paths will be enabled by default? The gate not

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Russell Bryant
On 07/17/2014 02:31 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 09:44:55AM -0700, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: So that means the libvirt driver will be a mix of tested and untested features, but only the tested code paths

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-17 Thread Johannes Erdfelt
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/17/2014 02:31 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: It kind of helps. It's still implicit in that you need to look at what features are enabled at what version and determine if it is being tested. But the behavior is still

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 04:15:40PM +0200, Sean Dague wrote: Recently the main gate updated from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, and in doing so we started executing the livesnapshot code in the nova libvirt driver. Which fails about 20% of the time in the gate, as we're bringing computes up and down

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:15 +0200, Sean Dague wrote: .. Based on these experiences, libvirt version differences seem to be as substantial as major hypervisor differences. There is a proposal here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103923/ to hold newer versions of libvirt to the same standard

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Clark Boylan
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 04:15:40PM +0200, Sean Dague wrote: Recently the main gate updated from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, and in doing so we started executing the livesnapshot code in the nova libvirt driver. Which

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:12:47AM -0700, Clark Boylan wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 04:15:40PM +0200, Sean Dague wrote: Recently the main gate updated from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, and in doing so we started

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Dan Smith
Based on these experiences, libvirt version differences seem to be as substantial as major hypervisor differences. I think that is a pretty dubious conclusion to draw from just a couple of bugs. The reason they really caused pain is that because the CI test system was based on old version

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Eric Windisch
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: Recently the main gate updated from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, and in doing so we started executing the livesnapshot code in the nova libvirt driver. Which fails about 20% of the time in the gate, as we're bringing computes up and

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:29:26AM -0700, Dan Smith wrote: Based on these experiences, libvirt version differences seem to be as substantial as major hypervisor differences. I think that is a pretty dubious conclusion to draw from just a couple of bugs. The reason they really caused

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 04:15:40PM +0200, Sean Dague wrote: [. . .] Anyway, discussion welcomed. My primary concern right now isn't actually where we set the bar, but that we set the same bar for everyone. As someone who tries to test Nova w/ upstream libvirt/QEMU, couple of points why I

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Johannes Erdfelt
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: No, there are features or code paths of the libvirt 1.2.5+ driver that aren't as well tested as the class A designation implies. And we have a proposal to make sure these aren't used by default:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
Eric Windisch wrote: This thread highlights more deeply the problems for the FreeBSD folks. First, I still disagree with the recommendation that they contribute to libvirt. It's a classic example of creating two or more problems from one. Once they have support in libvirt, how long before

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:28 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:12:47AM -0700, Clark Boylan wrote: I am worried that we would just regress to the current process because we have tried something similar to this previously and were forced to regress to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Monty Taylor
On 07/16/2014 07:27 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:28 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:12:47AM -0700, Clark Boylan wrote: I am worried that we would just regress to the current process because we have tried something similar

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Eric Windisch
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Roman Bogorodskiy rbogorods...@mirantis.com wrote: Eric Windisch wrote: This thread highlights more deeply the problems for the FreeBSD folks. First, I still disagree with the recommendation that they contribute to libvirt. It's a classic example of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Chris Friesen
On 07/16/2014 11:59 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 07/16/2014 07:27 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: This is a really good point. As someone who has to deal with packaging issues constantly, it is odd to me that libvirt is one of the few places where we depend on upstream packaging. We constantly