Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-27 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 09:51:34AM +1100, Michael Still wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: Does it make sense to purge old stuff regularly so we have a better

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-27 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 16:44 -0800, James E. Blair wrote: It is good to recognize the impact of this, however, I would suggest that if having open changes that are not actively being worked is a problem for statistics, I don't think it's a problem for the statistics per se. The reports are only

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-27 Thread Sean Dague
On 02/26/2015 05:41 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 15:58 -0600, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that there are a lot of reviews that appear to have been abandoned; I just cleared several from the novaclient review queue (or commented on them to see

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-27 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 09:51:34AM +1100, Michael Still wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: Does it make sense to purge old stuff regularly so we have a better overview? Or maybe we should chart a distribution of age of proposed

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 15:58 -0600, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that there are a lot of reviews that appear to have been abandoned; I just cleared several from the novaclient review queue (or commented on them to see if they were still alive). I also know of a few

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 14:18 -0600, Anne Gentle wrote: Do the features listed in the Release Notes each have appropriate documentation? So far we just link to the specifications for nova, for example. [1] So to me, it could be a focus on the specification acceptance means less time/energy for

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 21:15 +, Ian Cordasco wrote: I read it the same was as Doug. I don’t think Jeremy was trying to imply your reviews would move through more quickly if you reviewed other people’s work. Just that, as with most open source projects, there’s always at least 2 distinct

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread Anne Gentle
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 21:15 +, Ian Cordasco wrote: I read it the same was as Doug. I don’t think Jeremy was trying to imply your reviews would move through more quickly if you reviewed other people’s work.

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread Ed Leafe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/2015 01:45 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: The interesting bit of those charts is that overall for OpenStack projects, it seems that the reviews (comments to patchsets) are arriving quite quickly but the new patchsets take a lot more to be

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread Michael Still
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: Does it make sense to purge old stuff regularly so we have a better overview? Or maybe we should chart a distribution of age of proposed changesets, too in order to get a better understanding of where the outliers

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread James E. Blair
Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org writes: On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 15:58 -0600, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that there are a lot of reviews that appear to have been abandoned; I just cleared several from the novaclient review queue (or commented on them to see

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics]

2015-02-26 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 11:45 -0800, Stefano Maffulli wrote: The interesting bit of those charts is that overall for OpenStack projects, it seems that the reviews (comments to patchsets) are arriving quite quickly but the new patchsets take a lot more to be submitted. Too much debating and

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-25 Thread Johannes Erdfelt
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2015-02-24 10:00:51 -0800 (-0800), Johannes Erdfelt wrote: [...] Recently, I have spent a lot more time waiting on reviews than I have spent writing the actual code. That's awesome, assuming what you mean here is that you've

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-25 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2015-02-24 10:00:51 -0800 (-0800), Johannes Erdfelt wrote: [...] Recently, I have spent a lot more time waiting on reviews than I have spent writing the actual

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-25 Thread Ian Cordasco
On 2/25/15, 14:41, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2015-02-24 10:00:51 -0800 (-0800), Johannes Erdfelt wrote: [...] Recently, I have spent a lot more

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: [...] I think a lot of the frustration with our current cadence comes out of the big stop everything (development, planning etc.), and stabilize the release process. Which in turn isn't really

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:14:36PM -0800, Joe Gordon wrote: Was: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057578.html There has been frustration with our current 6 month development

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Johannes Erdfelt johan...@erdfelt.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Agree on the pain of maintaining milestone plans though, which is why I propose we get rid of most of it in Liberty. That will actually be

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: I think the release candidate period is the only thing that makes your code drops actually usable. It's the only moment in the cycle where integrators test. It's the only moment in the cycle where developers work on bugs

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:14:36PM -0800, Joe Gordon wrote: Was: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057578.html There has been frustration with our current 6 month development cadence. This is an attempt to explain those frustrations and propose a very rough

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Johannes Erdfelt
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: What this actually means: - Stop approving blueprints for specific stable releases, instead just approve them and target them to milestones. - Milestones stop becoming Kilo-1, Kilo-2, Kilo-3 etc. and just become

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Thierry Carrez
Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: What this actually means: - Stop approving blueprints for specific stable releases, instead just approve them and target them to milestones. - Milestones stop becoming Kilo-1, Kilo-2, Kilo-3

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Johannes Erdfelt
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Agree on the pain of maintaining milestone plans though, which is why I propose we get rid of most of it in Liberty. That will actually be discussed at the cross-project meeting today:

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-02-24 10:00:51 -0800 (-0800), Johannes Erdfelt wrote: [...] Recently, I have spent a lot more time waiting on reviews than I have spent writing the actual code. That's awesome, assuming what you mean here is that you've spent more time reviewing submitted code than writing more. That's

Re: [openstack-dev] [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle

2015-02-24 Thread Chris Friesen
On 02/24/2015 05:46 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-02-24 10:00:51 -0800 (-0800), Johannes Erdfelt wrote: [...] Recently, I have spent a lot more time waiting on reviews than I have spent writing the actual code. That's awesome, assuming what you mean here is that you've spent more time