Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-17 Thread Emilien Macchi
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > On 4/10/2017 2:55 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: >> >> >> The TC meetings are held in IRC and that may somewhat mitigate the >> issue for non-native English speakers, but I've had problems myself >> keeping up at times with the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-14 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 4/14/2017 7:12 PM, Rochelle Grober wrote: I just happened to be in a meeting with an associate who is on the TSC of Open Daylight. After the meeting he asked me about the release schedules of OpenStack and whether the recent change was a one off or , would now be offset like the last

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-14 Thread Dean Troyer
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Rochelle Grober wrote: > Part 1: tldr; publish the resolutions to the key MLs at least when they are > approved. This was done for a time via blog posts, I recall talk about resurrecting that, this may help increate the priority of

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-14 Thread Rochelle Grober
Matt Riedemann, Monday, April 10, 2017 1:41 PM On 4/10/2017 2:55 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: > > The TC meetings are held in IRC and that may somewhat mitigate the > issue for non-native English speakers, but I've had problems myself > keeping up at times with the flurry of comments. In any case,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-13 Thread Julien Danjou
On Wed, Apr 12 2017, Thierry Carrez wrote: > One idea I've been considering is eliminating the one and only sacred > one-hour weekly TC meeting, and encouraging ad-hoc discussions (on > #openstack-dev for example) between change proposers and smaller groups > of TC members present in the same

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Sean McGinnis
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 07:05:42PM +0900, Ildiko Vancsa wrote: > > As a version of this idea, I was thinking of an #openstack-tc IRC channel, > but wanted to give it another thought before bringing it up. :) While I don’t > have the intention to necessarily increase the number of IRC channels

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Dean Troyer
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > One idea I've been considering is eliminating the one and only sacred > one-hour weekly TC meeting, and encouraging ad-hoc discussions (on > #openstack-dev for example) between change proposers and smaller groups > of

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:44 AM, gordon chung wrote: >> If there was ONE thing, one >> initiative, one change you will actively push in the six months between >> this election round and the next, what would it be ? > > this is a really good question! if we're all honest with

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread gordon chung
On 10/04/17 05:16 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > If there was ONE thing, one > initiative, one change you will actively push in the six months between > this election round and the next, what would it be ? this is a really good question! if we're all honest with ourselves, most of the rhetoric in

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread German Eichberger
I have read very good ideas in this thread but I somehow can’t shake the feeling that people who are quite comfortable with the irc meeting are looking for a solution for people who are not. So, before we do any changes I would send out a survey and see what the developers we are serving

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Matthew Treinish
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:16:57AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Hi everyone, > > New in this TC election round, we have a few days between nominations > and actual voting to ask questions and get to know the candidates a bit > better. I'd like to kick off this new "campaigning period" with a

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 12/04/17 11:07 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Ildiko Vancsa wrote: On 2017. Apr 12., at 3:18, Monty Taylor > wrote: [...] Email allows someone to compose an actual structured narrative, and for replies to do the same. Some of us are loquatious

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread John Garbutt
On 12 April 2017 at 10:07, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Ildiko Vancsa wrote: >>> On 2017. Apr 12., at 3:18, Monty Taylor >> > wrote: >>> [...] >>> Email allows someone to compose an actual structured narrative, and >>> for

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread John Garbutt
On 11 April 2017 at 09:58, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Matt Riedemann wrote: >> Lots of projects have alternating meeting times to accommodate >> contributors in different time zones, especially Europe and Asia. >> >> The weekly TC meeting, however, does not. >> >> I have to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
> […] > One idea I've been considering is eliminating the one and only sacred > one-hour weekly TC meeting, and encouraging ad-hoc discussions (on > #openstack-dev for example) between change proposers and smaller groups > of TC members present in the same timezone. That would give us a good >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Ildiko Vancsa wrote: >> On 2017. Apr 12., at 3:18, Monty Taylor > > wrote: >> [...] >> Email allows someone to compose an actual structured narrative, and >> for replies to do the same. Some of us are loquatious and I imagine >> can be hard to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-12 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
> On 2017. Apr 12., at 3:18, Monty Taylor wrote: > > On 04/10/2017 04:41 PM, Chris Dent wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Matt Riedemann wrote: >> >>> This might also tie back in with what cdent was mentioning, and if the >>> flurry of conversation during a TC meeting throws

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
> >> Reliability is the key for them. But for the services and >> applications that are built on top of this base? I'd like to see >> allowing them a much more open approach: let them develop in whatever >> language they like, release when they feel the timing is right, and >> define their own CI

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
Hi All, > So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think > you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing > proposed changes and pushing your own) ? As a member of the OpenStack Foundation staff I have 100% of my time dedicated to the community let

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 11, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: >> The IaaS parts >> (and yes, I know that just which parts these are is a whole debate in >> itself) should be rock-solid, slow-moving, and, well, boring. > > A fine idea. Unfortunately, what the majority of end users keep

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/10/2017 04:41 PM, Chris Dent wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Matt Riedemann wrote: This might also tie back in with what cdent was mentioning, and if the flurry of conversation during a TC meeting throws people off, maybe the minutes should be digested after the meeting in the mailing list.

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Jay Pipes
On 04/10/2017 02:26 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: On Apr 10, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: If there was ONE thing, one initiative, one change you will actively push in the six months between this election round and the next, what would it be ? Just one? If I had to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
Thierry Carrez wrote: > So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think > you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing > proposed changes and pushing your own) ? Keep track of the technical direction of OpenStack is an important part of my role at

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
Matt Riedemann wrote: > Thanks Chris. This reminded me of something I wanted to ask about, to > all TC members, or those running for a seat. > > Lots of projects have alternating meeting times to accommodate > contributors in different time zones, especially Europe and Asia. > > The weekly TC

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-11 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 10/04/17 13:52 -0500, Matt Riedemann wrote: Lots of projects have alternating meeting times to accommodate contributors in different time zones, especially Europe and Asia. The weekly TC meeting, however, does not. I have to assume this has come up before and if so, why hasn't the TC

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Sean McGinnis
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 03:40:30PM -0500, Matt Riedemann wrote: > > I don't attend many TC meetings, it's usually on accident, but yeah, when I > do I always note the flurry of cross-talk chatter that just drowns > everything out. I feel like there are usually at least 3 parallel > conversations

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Sean McGinnis
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:16:57AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think > you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing > proposed changes and pushing your own) ? Starting today, I've moved from a position

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Joshua Hesketh
Howdy, To answer the original question, if elected, I should be able to commit at least a few hours per day to the TC (if not more). I can also be quite elastic in this being able to spend more time some weeks than others as the role dictates. My timezone is UTC+10 which makes the meetings at

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread joehuang
ons) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority On Apr 10, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Matt Riedemann <mriede...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't attend many TC meetings, it's usually on accident, but yeah, when I > do I always note the flurry of cross-talk cha

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Amrith Kumar
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Riedemann [mailto:mriede...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 4:41 PM > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority > > On 4/10/2017 2:55

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 10, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > > I don't attend many TC meetings, it's usually on accident, but yeah, when I > do I always note the flurry of cross-talk chatter that just drowns everything > out. I feel like there are usually at least 3 parallel

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Chris Dent
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Matt Riedemann wrote: This might also tie back in with what cdent was mentioning, and if the flurry of conversation during a TC meeting throws people off, maybe the minutes should be digested after the meeting in the mailing list. I know the meeting is logged, but it can

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 4/10/2017 2:55 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: The TC meetings are held in IRC and that may somewhat mitigate the issue for non-native English speakers, but I've had problems myself keeping up at times with the flurry of comments. In any case, I think it would be good to include language in the pile

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/10/2017 01:52 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: On 4/10/2017 1:18 PM, Chris Dent wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Thierry Carrez wrote: So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing proposed changes and

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Dean Troyer
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > How will the TC grow a diverse membership if it's not even held, at least > every other week, in a timezone where the other half of the world can > attend? This is something we do need to sort out. The experiences I

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread German Eichberger
Agreed but not only for the TC. I also heard privately from some contributors that meetings times prevent them from fully engage with a project. This is something where we as the TC can lead by example. German On 4/10/17, 3:06 PM, "Davanum Srinivas" wrote: Matt,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Edward Leafe
On Apr 10, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > > How will the TC grow a diverse membership if it's not even held, at least > every other week, in a timezone where the other half of the world can attend? +1 --

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Matt, I second this request. At least one person i talked to, pointed this as a primary reason for not standing for the TC election. Thanks, Dims On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > On 4/10/2017 1:18 PM, Chris Dent wrote: >> >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 4/10/2017 1:18 PM, Chris Dent wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Thierry Carrez wrote: So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing proposed changes and pushing your own) ? I've been regularly

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 10, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think > you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing > proposed changes and pushing your own) ? Well, as you know I have been

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread German Eichberger
Hi, I am well aware that being on the TC is a serious time commitment and that there is more to do than a given day has hours. So I read your question more about prioritizing and how I would do that. A fair part of how I prioritize depends on input from others. That’s why I said listening to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Chris Dent
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Thierry Carrez wrote: So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing proposed changes and pushing your own) ? I've been regularly reviewing changes in the governance repo and

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Dean Troyer
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > So my question is the following: if elected, how much time do you think > you'll be able to dedicate to Technical Committee affairs (reviewing > proposed changes and pushing your own) ? If there was ONE thing, one >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Amrith Kumar
> -Original Message- > From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 5:17 AM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List > Subject: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority > > Hi everyone, > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 10/04/17 11:16 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, New in this TC election round, we have a few days between nominations and actual voting to ask questions and get to know the candidates a bit better. I'd like to kick off this new "campaigning period" with a basic question on available

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Thierry, Team, On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Hi everyone, > > New in this TC election round, we have a few days between nominations > and actual voting to ask questions and get to know the candidates a bit > better. I'd like to kick off this new

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [elections] Available time and top priority

2017-04-10 Thread John Garbutt
On 10 April 2017 at 10:16, Thierry Carrez wrote: > All the candidates are top community members with a lot of > responsibilities on their shoulders already. My experience tells me that > it is easy to overestimate the time we can dedicate to Technical > Committee matters,