Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Fuel

2013-12-16 Thread Mike Scherbakov
Thanks for support,
as a starting point we have chosen Ironic - we really want to see it as a
replacement of Fuel's existing provisioning layer, with an intention of
participation and delivery of many features which we already know from the
real-world installations with Fuel.

We are trying to be more test-driven, so starting our contributions as
proof of concept for functional testing framework for Ironic:
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62410/2, see the description in README
file: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62410/2/irci/README.md
Distributed envs testing, especially PXE booting is the area of our
interest. Next, we plan to collaboratively work on torrent-based
provisioning driver.

Fuel UI  Tuskar UI are also very interesting topic. Mark - thanks for
provided links. Let us get a few cycles to research what you have so far
and get back to you.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Liz Blanchard lsure...@redhat.com wrote:


 On Dec 13, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote:

  On 2013/12/12 15:31, Mike Scherbakov wrote:
  Folks,
 
 
  Most of you by now have heard of Fuel, which we’ve been working on as a
  related OpenStack project for a period of time
  -https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-mainsee
  https://launchpad.net/fueland https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel. The
  aim of the project is to provide a distribution agnostic and plug-in
  agnostic engine for preparing, configuring and ultimately deploying
  various “flavors” of OpenStack in production. We’ve also used Fuel in
  most of our customer engagements to stand up an OpenStack cloud.
  ...
  We’d love to open discussion on this and hear everybody’s thoughts on
  this direction.
 
  Hey Mike,
 
  it sounds all great. I'll be very happy to discuss all the UX efforts
 going on in TripleO/Tuskar UI together with intentions and future steps of
 Fuel.
 
 +1. The Fuel wizard has some great UX ideas to bring to our thoughts
 around deployment in the Tuskar UI!

 Great to hear these will be brought together,
 Liz

  Cheers
  -- Jarda
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Fuel

2013-12-16 Thread Robert Collins
On 17 December 2013 09:59, Mike Scherbakov mscherba...@mirantis.com wrote:
 Thanks for support,
 as a starting point we have chosen Ironic - we really want to see it as a
 replacement of Fuel's existing provisioning layer, with an intention of
 participation and delivery of many features which we already know from the
 real-world installations with Fuel.

 We are trying to be more test-driven, so starting our contributions as proof
 of concept for functional testing framework for Ironic:
 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62410/2, see the description in README
 file: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62410/2/irci/README.md
 Distributed envs testing, especially PXE booting is the area of our
 interest. Next, we plan to collaboratively work on torrent-based
 provisioning driver.

Cool.

Rather than torrents you may prefer a multicast driver, it should be
about 50% network utilisation, linear IO for the target disk - much
better.

Rob

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Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Fuel

2013-12-13 Thread Liz Blanchard

On Dec 13, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 2013/12/12 15:31, Mike Scherbakov wrote:
 Folks,
 
 
 Most of you by now have heard of Fuel, which we’ve been working on as a
 related OpenStack project for a period of time
 -https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-mainsee
 https://launchpad.net/fueland https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel. The
 aim of the project is to provide a distribution agnostic and plug-in
 agnostic engine for preparing, configuring and ultimately deploying
 various “flavors” of OpenStack in production. We’ve also used Fuel in
 most of our customer engagements to stand up an OpenStack cloud.
 ...
 We’d love to open discussion on this and hear everybody’s thoughts on
 this direction.
 
 Hey Mike,
 
 it sounds all great. I'll be very happy to discuss all the UX efforts going 
 on in TripleO/Tuskar UI together with intentions and future steps of Fuel.
 
+1. The Fuel wizard has some great UX ideas to bring to our thoughts around 
deployment in the Tuskar UI!

Great to hear these will be brought together,
Liz

 Cheers
 -- Jarda
 
 --- Jaromir Coufal (jcoufal)
 --- OpenStack User Experience
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 --- Forum: http://ask-openstackux.rhcloud.com
 --- Wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UX
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Fuel

2013-12-12 Thread Andrew Woodward
Mike,

It's great that we are continuing to align fuel with TripleO. I've been
toying with the idea of using TripleO components and CEPH to enhance our CI
infra for a while now, and this announcement has encouraged me to write it
down. I've proposed a BP for Super fast deploy CI that would help us
perform CI better by accelerate fuel CI testing by taking reasonable
shortcuts integrating with several existing components like TripleO and
CEPH.

Blueprint:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-superfastdeploy-ci
Pad Spec: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bp-fuel-superfastdeploy-ci

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Andrew Woodward
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Mike Scherbakov
mscherba...@mirantis.comwrote:

 Folks,

 Most of you by now have heard of Fuel, which we’ve been working on as a
 related OpenStack project for a period of time -
 https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-mainsee https://launchpad.net/fueland
 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel. The aim of the project is to
 provide a distribution agnostic and plug-in agnostic engine for preparing,
 configuring and ultimately deploying various “flavors” of OpenStack in
 production. We’ve also used Fuel in most of our customer engagements to
 stand up an OpenStack cloud.

  At the same time, we’ve been actively involved with TripleO, which we
 believe to be a great effort in simplifying deployment, operations, scaling
 (and eventually upgrading) of OpenStack.

 Per our discussions with core TripleO team during the Icehouse summit,
 we’ve uncovered that while there are certain areas of collision, most of
 the functionality in TripleO and Fuel is complementary. In general, Fuel
 helps solve many problems around “step zero” of setting up an OpenStack
 environment, such as auto-discovery and inventory of bare metal hardware,
 pre-deployment  post-deployment environment  checks, and wizard-driven
 web-based configuration of OpenStack flavors. At the same time, TripleO has
 made great progress in deployment, scaling and operations (with Tuskar).

 We’d like to propose an effort for community consideration to bring the
 two initiatives closer together to eventually arrive at a distribution
 agnostic, community supported framework covering the entire spectrum of
 deployment, management and upgrades; from “step zero” to a fully functional
 and manageable production-grade OpenStack environment.

 To that effect, we propose the following high-level roadmap plans for this
 effort:


-

Keep and continue to evolve bare-metal discovery and inventory module
of Fuel, tightly integrating it with Ironic.
-

Keep and continue to evolve Fuel’s wizard-driven OpenStack flavor
configurator. In the near term we’ll work with the UX team to unify the
user experience across Fuel, TripleO and Tuskar. We are also thinking about
leveraging diskimagebuilder.
-

Continue to evolve Fuel’s pre-deployment (DHCP, L2 connectivity
checks) and post-deployment validation checks in collaboration with the
TripleO and Tempest teams.
-

Eventually replace Fuel’s current orchestration engine
https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-astute/ with Heat


 We’d love to open discussion on this and hear everybody’s thoughts on this
 direction.

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 Mike Scherbakov
 Fuel Engineering Lead
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