Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-11 Thread Eoghan Glynn
As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To that end, I would like to propose an

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-11 Thread David Kranz
On 09/11/2014 07:32 AM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-09-11 01:27:23 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote: [...] But seriously, we should probably put out a more official notice about this once Kilo opens up. It's probably worth carrying in the release notes for all Juno servers... This is the last release of OpenStack with official support

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-11 Thread Kenichi Oomichi
-Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:29 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise 3. Another long-term topic is standardizing our APIs so that we use consistent

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
Joe Gordon wrote: To that end, I would like to propose an exercise as discussed in the TC meeting yesterday [1]: Have anyone interested (especially TC members) come up with a list of what they think the project wide Kilo cycle goals should be and post them on this thread by end of day

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Anne Gentle
tl;dr I'm concerned we're conflating user concerns and contributor concerns. I'd like to see laser focus on two things that help both: 1) Define layers in our governance and integration efforts 2) Pay down technical debt with a focus on supporting users. more Great kick off Joe, thanks. I have

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: To that end, I would like to propose an exercise as discussed in the TC meeting yesterday [1]: Have anyone interested (especially TC members) come up with a list of what they think the project wide

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Russell Bryant
On 09/03/2014 11:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/03/2014 11:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To that

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Angus Lees
So easy/obvious it probably isn't even worth mentioning: Drop support for python2.6 -- - Gus ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-10 Thread Russell Bryant
On 09/11/2014 12:52 AM, Angus Lees wrote: So easy/obvious it probably isn't even worth mentioning: Drop support for python2.6 Yeah, that's been the plan. We discussed this at the Juno summit and representatives from most (all?) distributions carrying OpenStack were there. Dropping in Kilo

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-09 Thread Michael Still
I haven't had a chance to read other people's posts, so I am sure there is duplication here. What would I have all of OpenStack working on if I was ruler of the universe? Let's see... 1. Fixing our flakey gate: we're all annoyed by our code failing tests with transient errors, but most people

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-09 Thread Joe Gordon
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-09 Thread Adam Lawson
Deleting unnecessary code, introducing a stabilization cycle and/or making definite steps towards a unified SDK are definitely my votes. *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Chris Dent
On Sun, 7 Sep 2014, Monty Taylor wrote: 1. Caring about end user experience at all 2. Less features, more win 3. Deleting things Yes. I'll give away all of my list for any one of these. -- Chris Dent tw:@anticdent freenode:cdent https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/cdent

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Mike Bayer
On Sep 7, 2014, at 9:27 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 09/07/2014 09:12 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making users happy. I don't understand why you would encourage writers of blog posts you disagree with by sending

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Anita Kuno
On 09/08/2014 11:12 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 7, 2014, at 9:27 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 09/07/2014 09:12 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making users happy. I don't understand why you would encourage

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Mike Bayer
On Sep 7, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: 2. Less features, more win In a perfect world, I'd argue that we should merge exactly zero new features in all of kilo, and instead focus on making the ones we have work well. Some of making the ones we have work

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Mike Bayer
On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: Wow, we are really taking liberties with my question today. What part of any of my actions current or previous have led you to believe that I want to now or ever have silenced anyone? I am curious what led you to believe

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Anita Kuno
On 09/08/2014 12:00 PM, Mike Bayer wrote: On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: Wow, we are really taking liberties with my question today. What part of any of my actions current or previous have led you to believe that I want to now or ever have silenced

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Brad Topol
@lists.openstack.org, Date: 09/07/2014 08:15 PM Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise On 09/03/2014 08:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Tim Bell
Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise Monty, +1!! I fully agree!! How can I help :-)? Can we dedicate some design summit sessions to this topic? Ideally, having some stakeholder driven sessions where we can hear about the user

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Joshua Harlow
Amen to this! I've always felt bad that before yahoo tries to include a new feature in its openstack cloud/s we have to figure out how much the feature is a land-mine, how much of it works, how much of it doesn't and so-on. That type of investigation imho shouldn't really be needed and the

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/03/2014 12:16 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 3, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-08 Thread Mathieu Gagné
On 2014-09-07 8:14 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: If I were king ... 1. Caring about end user experience at all If I don't do anything at all next cycle, I will see the above fixed. Because it's embarrassing. Seriously. Try to use OpenStack from python some time. I dare you. [...] Between 2 and

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Chris Dent
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Joe Gordon wrote: Have anyone interested (especially TC members) come up with a list of what they think the project wide Kilo cycle goals should be and post them on this thread by end of day Wednesday, September 10th. After which time we can begin discussing the results. I

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Morgan Fainberg
Comments in line (added my thoughts on a couple of the targets Sean outlined). On Thursday, September 4, 2014, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: Here is my top 5 list: 1. Functional Testing in Integrated projects The justification for this is here -

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/03/2014 08:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To that

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Angus Salkeld
Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making users happy. 1) Consistent/easy upgrading. all projects should follow a consistent model to the way they approach upgrading. it should actually work. - REST versioning - RPC versioning - db (data)

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Anita Kuno
On 09/07/2014 09:12 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making users happy. I don't understand why you would encourage writers of blog posts you disagree with by sending them traffic. Anita. 1) Consistent/easy upgrading. all

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Robert Collins
On 8 September 2014 13:27, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 09/07/2014 09:12 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making users happy. I don't understand why you would encourage writers of blog posts you disagree with by sending

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Angus Salkeld
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 09/07/2014 09:12 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making users happy. I don't understand why you would encourage writers of blog posts you disagree with by

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Anita Kuno
On 09/07/2014 09:37 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 09/07/2014 09:12 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making users happy. I don't understand why you would encourage

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/03/2014 11:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 3, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project