Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-17 Thread Anita Kuno
On 08/15/2014 08:51 AM, Steve Gordon wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info
 To: openStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org

 OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our
 development conversations.

 OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or
 os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0].

 No alterations: When using OpenStack Marks, you shall never vary the
 spelling, hyphenation or spacing of the any portion of the marks.

 Examples of Improper Display of an OpenStack Mark: Open-Stack; Open
 Stack; OS Stack Examples of Proper Display of an OpenStack Mark:
 OpenStack; OPENSTACK

 While this comes from the OpenStack Trademark Policy, I think it is
 important to remember this information and to implement it in our daily
 use. I have had to change at least one wikipage so far, it is far easier
 if folks simply employ the correct usage from the beginning.

 My thanks,
 Anita.

 [0] http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-trademark-policy/
 
 Hi Anita,
 
 I noticed you raised this issue on this thread but didn't really understand 
 why:
 
 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043087.html
 
 Can you explain? The os types being referred to were the operating system 
 types supported by VMware.
 
 -Steve
 
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Hi Steve:

Yes I see that now in the context of the thread. Mostly this is my
mistake. I have seen the acronym used incorrectly so often the use in
the subject line confused me and I posted partly to clarify for my own
purposes and partly to set a data point for those who are using the
acronym to mean openstack in an attempt to acknowledge its correct usage.

I didn't mean to disturb the flow of conversation in your thread and if
I have done so, please accept my apology.

Thanks Steve,
Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Eric Windisch


 No alterations: When using OpenStack Marks, you shall never vary the
 spelling, hyphenation or spacing of the any portion of the marks.

 Examples of Improper Display of an OpenStack Mark: Open-Stack; Open
 Stack; OS Stack Examples of Proper Display of an OpenStack Mark:
 OpenStack; OPENSTACK


When used in marketing, sales, and other business contexts, I obviously
agree. This is proper use and license of a trademark.


 While this comes from the OpenStack Trademark Policy, I think it is
 important to remember this information and to implement it in our daily
 use. I have had to change at least one wikipage so far, it is far easier
 if folks simply employ the correct usage from the beginning.


On wiki pages and other published medium -- absolutely.

For our daily use in IRC and other casual discussion? Lets not get pedantic.

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Regards,
Eric Windisch
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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message -
 From: Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info
 To: openStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
 
 OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our
 development conversations.
 
 OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or
 os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0].
 
 No alterations: When using OpenStack Marks, you shall never vary the
 spelling, hyphenation or spacing of the any portion of the marks.
 
 Examples of Improper Display of an OpenStack Mark: Open-Stack; Open
 Stack; OS Stack Examples of Proper Display of an OpenStack Mark:
 OpenStack; OPENSTACK
 
 While this comes from the OpenStack Trademark Policy, I think it is
 important to remember this information and to implement it in our daily
 use. I have had to change at least one wikipage so far, it is far easier
 if folks simply employ the correct usage from the beginning.
 
 My thanks,
 Anita.
 
 [0] http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-trademark-policy/

Hi Anita,

I noticed you raised this issue on this thread but didn't really understand why:

http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043087.html

Can you explain? The os types being referred to were the operating system types 
supported by VMware.

-Steve

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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Dan Smith
 OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or
 os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0].

Except in the nova API code, where 'os' means 'openstack'.

I too think that policing the use of abbreviations is silly. It's a
confusing abbreviation, but seriously...

--Dan



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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 10:38:20 AM:

 OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our
 development conversations.
 
 OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or
 os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0].
 
 ...

I have seen OS for OpenStack from the start.  Just look at the 
environment variables that the CLI reads.

Regards,
Mike

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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/15/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
 Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 10:38:20 AM:
 
 OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our
 development conversations.

 OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or
 os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0].

 ...
 
 I have seen OS for OpenStack from the start.  Just look at the
 environment variables that the CLI reads.

Yep, it's quite common and I think it's fine in the right context.

-- 
Russell Bryant

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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Anita Kuno
On 08/15/2014 09:12 AM, Russell Bryant wrote:
 On 08/15/2014 11:00 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
 Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 10:38:20 AM:

 OpenStack is OpenStack. The use of openstack is also acceptable in our
 development conversations.

 OS or os is operating system. I am starting to see some people us OS or
 os to mean OpenStack. This is confusing and also incorrect[0].

 ...

 I have seen OS for OpenStack from the start.  Just look at the
 environment variables that the CLI reads.
 
 Yep, it's quite common and I think it's fine in the right context.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the
right context.

The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have
chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks
I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the
third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the
benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be
accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded
to my initial post thus far?).

If the people making the decisions about when to use which term were
clear on the context, I doubt highly that I would have been motivated to
post.

However I am seeing confusion in the ability to chose terms appropriate
to context and wanted to do something if I could (sometimes I can't and
sometimes I outright fail) before too much more
assumption-of-agreement-due-to-lack-of-stated-disagrement took place.

I'm open to suggestion as to how to create a situation in which everyone
understands the right context. Right now I am feeling there is a gap and
it is only getting wider.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts so far everyone, I'm glad to get a
chance to talk about this.
Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 01:08:44 PM:

 ...
 I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the
 right context.
 
 The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have
 chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks
 I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the
 third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the
 benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be
 accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded
 to my initial post thus far?).

I suffered from an instance of this confusion myself when I was just 
getting started,
and have seen colleagues get confused too.  I suspect this problem hits 
many
newcomers.

Regards,
Mike

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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/15/2014 01:28 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
 Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 01:08:44 PM:
 
 ...
 I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the
 right context.

 The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have
 chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks
 I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the
 third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the
 benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be
 accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded
 to my initial post thus far?).
 
 I suffered from an instance of this confusion myself when I was just
 getting started,
 and have seen colleagues get confused too.  I suspect this problem hits
 many
 newcomers.

but surely when it comes to learning OpenStack itself, the OpenStack
community, dev processes, tools, etc  this has got to be extremely
far down the list of barriers to entry.

-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote on 08/15/2014 01:49:40 PM:
 ... 
 but surely when it comes to learning OpenStack itself, the OpenStack
 community, dev processes, tools, etc  this has got to be extremely
 far down the list of barriers to entry.

No argument there.  I am spending decimal orders of magnitude more time 
looking for a working concrete example of using DevStack to install 
OpenStack with Neutron inside a VM so that the nested VMs can talk to the 
outside world.

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Re: [openstack-dev] OS or os are not acronyms for OpenStack

2014-08-15 Thread Adam Lawson
I really think we have much bigger fish to fry than to start policing
community shorthand where nearly every meeting and communication is typed.
That's just my two cents for what it's worth.

Mahalo,
Adam


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On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 08/15/2014 01:28 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
  Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote on 08/15/2014 01:08:44 PM:
 
  ...
  I think you hit the nail on the head here, Russell, it's fine in the
  right context.
 
  The definition of the right context however is somewhat elusive. I have
  chosen (it is my own fault) to place myself in the area where the folks
  I deal with struggle with understanding context. The newcomers to the
  third party space and folks creating stackforge repos don't have the
  benefit of the understanding that core reviewers have (would I be
  accurate in saying that it is mostly nova reviewers who have responded
  to my initial post thus far?).
 
  I suffered from an instance of this confusion myself when I was just
  getting started,
  and have seen colleagues get confused too.  I suspect this problem hits
  many
  newcomers.

 but surely when it comes to learning OpenStack itself, the OpenStack
 community, dev processes, tools, etc  this has got to be extremely
 far down the list of barriers to entry.

 --
 Russell Bryant

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