Morgan Fainberg wrote:
TL;DR Don't split the community, work to improve the tools for those
who are overwhelmed. (Email clients, enforcing use of subject tags,
etc)
Thanks everyone for the insightful comments ! Like I said earlier, we
can keep it the way it is, but I just wanted to make sure
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote:
Can I suggest that you don't try purely mechanical filtering into
folders? Instead, for a while, try using a threaded client, and
configure it to show threads unexpanded by default.
if we are into mail client tips,
[mailto:mord...@inaugust.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:48 AM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list
On 11/14/2013 07:54 PM, Caitlin Bestler wrote:
On 11/14/2013 5:12 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have
A couple of quick points.
1) I think that splitting the list is the wrong approach.
2) Perhaps we need to look at adding a mechanism that enforces the use
of tags in the subject line (send a nice sorry, but you need to
indicate the topic(s) you are mailing about error back if it doesn't
exist,
On 11/15/2013 05:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Wow, lots of different opinions! let's try to summarize:
Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev
* People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions
* Traffic would drop by about 25%
* Removes confusion as to
On 11/15/2013 12:08 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Adrian Otto wrote:
If OpenStack starts a culture of exclusion instead of inclusion, that would
start a dangerous trend that sets the wrong tone. It would quickly reach the
point where new projects like mine would simply not come here. We would
On Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:09:35 AM, Monty Taylor wrote:
On 11/15/2013 12:08 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Adrian Otto wrote:
If OpenStack starts a culture of exclusion instead of inclusion, that would start a
dangerous trend that sets the wrong tone. It would quickly reach the point
On 11/16/2013 02:52 AM, Monty Taylor wrote:
On 11/15/2013 05:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Wow, lots of different opinions! let's try to summarize:
Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev
* People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions
* Traffic would drop
I am one of those horizontal people (working on docs and basically one of
the people responsible at my organization for keeping a handle on what's
going on) and I'm totally against a split.
Of COURSE we need to maintain the integrated/incubated/proposed spectrum.
Saying that we need to keep all
On 11/14/2013 02:25 PM, Mark Washenberger wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org
mailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote:
Thierry Carrez wrote:
[...]
That will not solve all issues. We should also collectively make sure
that *usage
2013/11/16 Sean Dague s...@dague.net
On 11/14/2013 02:25 PM, Mark Washenberger wrote: It seems excessive, I
agree. But if your meeting time bounces on a
biweekly schedule to accommodate multiple timezones, I think its quite
necessary.
And the fact that people forget the times are in
Le 14/11/2013 20:46, Clint Byrum a écrit :
Now, choose which city will grow faster and produce more innovation.
The problem is larger than only innovation, it is also making sure the
Stackforge projects are also a starting point for contributing to
Openstack in a different manner. ATCs can
Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@bull.net wrote on 15/11/2013 11:13:37 AM:
On a technical note, as a Stackforge contributor, I'm trying to
implement best practices of Openstack coding into my own project, and
I'm facing day-to-day issues trying to understand what Oslo libs do or
how they can be
Wow, lots of different opinions! let's try to summarize:
Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev
* People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions
* Traffic would drop by about 25%
* Removes confusion as to which projects are actually in openstack
Arguments in
On 15/11/13 11:06 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Wow, lots of different opinions! let's try to summarize:
Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev
* People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions
* Traffic would drop by about 25%
* Removes confusion as to which
Definitely +1 for splitting -- it becomes overwhelmed. We'll soon need
regexps just to handle the incoming emails :) Having separate mailing lists
would make it easier to stay focused and concentrate on needed projects.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote:
On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote:
Wow, lots of different opinions! let's try to summarize:
Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev
* People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions
* Traffic would drop by about 25%
*
Adrian Otto wrote:
If OpenStack starts a culture of exclusion instead of inclusion, that would
start a dangerous trend that sets the wrong tone. It would quickly reach the
point where new projects like mine would simply not come here. We would go
somewhere else that does have a culture of
On 11/15/2013 02:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev
* People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions
* Traffic would drop by about 25%
I'm not so convinced about this figure, as others pointed out.
* Removes confusion as to
Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2013-11-15 09:12:05 -0800:
On 11/15/2013 02:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev
* People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions
* Traffic would drop by about 25%
I'm not so
Another thing that I remember from talking with people who work at yahoo
on the hadoop project and was an insight early on for me. I remember those
folks saying that about 2 hours of there day is spent on catching up on
mailing list emails and reviews. This is/was a change in how they operated
Coming from QA/Ops, I agree that there are horizontal teams that need to get
info from the mailing list(s) across the spectrum. I also agree with Clint's
and Adrian's statements about the synergies and serendipities of all the
developers on one list. But I also understand the feeling of
Agree with Clint completely! In my opinion it would be a big mistake to
separate the lists. There are tools in modern e-mail readers to filter
specific content into separate views. Why should OpenStack Foundation do it
for us?
Alex Freedland
Co-Founder and Chairman
Mirantis, Inc.
On Thu, Nov
On 11/15/2013 04:13 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
Le 14/11/2013 20:46, Clint Byrum a écrit :
Now, choose which city will grow faster and produce more innovation.
The problem is larger than only innovation, it is also making sure the
Stackforge projects are also a starting point for
On 11/14/2013 02:46 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-14 05:12:55 -0800:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass
On 11/14/2013 07:54 PM, Caitlin Bestler wrote:
On 11/14/2013 5:12 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of
Thierry Carrez wrote:
[...]
That will not solve all issues. We should also collectively make sure
that *usage questions are re-routed* to the openstack general
mailing-list, where they belong. Too many people still answer off-topic
questions here on openstack-dev, which encourages people to
On Thu, Nov 14 2013, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Other suggestion: we could stop posting meeting reminders to -dev (I
know, I'm guilty of it) and only post something if the meeting time
changes, or if the weekly meeting is canceled for whatever reason.
Good suggestion.
--
Julien Danjou
-- Free
On Thu, Nov 14 2013, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Thoughts ?
I agree on the need to split, the traffic is getting huge.
As I'd have to subscribe to both openstack-dev and stackforge-dev, that
would not help me personally, but I think it can be an easy and first
step.
--
Julien Danjou
-- Free
Yeah, that's big problem... Especially when you are trying to keep track on
lots of topics...
I suppose this solution will do letters' prioritisation at least easier for
developers and everybody who is subscribed on openstack-dev.
Nice idea.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Thierry Carrez
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 02:19:24PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Thierry Carrez wrote:
[...]
That will not solve all issues. We should also collectively make sure
that *usage questions are re-routed* to the openstack general
mailing-list, where they belong. Too many people still answer
On Thu, Nov 14 2013, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
Is there somewhere on the website which keeps a record of all regular
scheduled meetings people can discover / refer to easily ?
It's all on the wiki:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings
--
Julien Danjou
// Free Software hacker /
This would also have the added benefit of reducing the times people conflate
related open source projects from stackforge with OpenStack itself. Having
related oss discussions on a list called OpenStack-Dev may certainly have
given the wrong impression to the casual observer.
On Nov 14, 2013
Julien Danjou wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14 2013, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Thoughts ?
I agree on the need to split, the traffic is getting huge.
As I'd have to subscribe to both openstack-dev and stackforge-dev, that
would not help me personally, but I think it can be an easy and first
step.
On 11/14/2013 08:12 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just
off-topic (and I've been regularly
On 14/11/13 14:12 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just
off-topic (and I've been regularly
++
On 11/14/2013 08:37 AM, m...@openstack.org wrote:
This would also have the added benefit of reducing the times people conflate related open
source projects from stackforge with OpenStack itself. Having related oss discussions on
a list called OpenStack-Dev may certainly have given the
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just
+1, agreed.
Personally, I’ll subscribe to both lists but I think it really could help to
prioritize emails.
Sincerely yours,
Sergey Lukjanov
Savanna Technical Lead
Mirantis Inc.
On Nov 14, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info wrote:
Other suggestion: we could stop posting meeting reminders to -dev (I
know, I'm guilty of it) and only post something if the meeting time
changes, or if the weekly meeting is canceled for whatever reason.
Good
Good idea.
-romain
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On Nov 14, 2013 5:16 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just
off-topic
On 11/14/2013 08:21 AM, Julien Danjou wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14 2013, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Thoughts ?
I agree on the need to split, the traffic is getting huge.
As I'd have to subscribe to both openstack-dev and stackforge-dev, that
would not help me personally, but I think it can be an easy
On 2013-11-14 14:12:55 +0100 (+0100), Thierry Carrez wrote:
[...]
I'd like to propose a split between two lists:
*openstack-dev*: Discussions on future development for OpenStack
official projects
*stackforge-dev*: Discussions on development for stackforge-hosted projects
[...]
Consider
On 11/14/2013 09:03 AM, David Ripton wrote:
I don't think it's worth the bother. openstack-dev would still receive
most of the traffic. Once you add back the traffic from people
cross-posting, posting to the wrong list, yelling at people
cross-posting or posting to the wrong list, etc. I'd
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote:
Thierry Carrez wrote:
[...]
That will not solve all issues. We should also collectively make sure
that *usage questions are re-routed* to the openstack general
mailing-list, where they belong. Too many people
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-14 05:12:55 -0800:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just
off-topic
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.orgwrote:
On 11/14/2013 09:03 AM, David Ripton wrote:
I don't think it's worth the bother. openstack-dev would still receive
most of the traffic. Once you add back the traffic from people
cross-posting, posting to the
On 11/14/2013 02:46 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Allow me an analogy if you will:
Consider a burgeoning city. There are people who have been around a long
time. Some are politicians, some work for the city, some are just good
citizens. These people see newcomers in the commons and greet them with
On 11/14/2013 11:46 AM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Now, choose which city will grow faster and produce more innovation.
This is not about welcoming newcomers. It's about teaching newcomers the
tools, habits, culture of an established community that keeps growing.
If questions about usage need to be
On 15/11/13 02:40, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info
mailto:jul...@danjou.info wrote:
Other suggestion: we could stop posting meeting reminders to -dev (I
know, I'm guilty of it) and only post something if the meeting time
On 14/11/13 11:46 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-14 05:12:55 -0800:
Hi everyone,
I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
November well on its way to pass 2000
On 15 Nov 2013, at 02:46, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:
Allow me an analogy if you will:
Consider a burgeoning city. There are people who have been around a long
time. Some are politicians, some work for the city, some are just good
citizens. These people see newcomers in the commons
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