Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-27 Thread Tim Bell
-Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 September 2014 22:51 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model Heh, I just got off the phone with Monty talking about this :) Comments

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/26/2014 03:42 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Sep 25, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: So I guess I'm saying: Lets decouple 'what is openstack' from 'what we test together on every commit'. It seems that this discussion has actually

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: The three questions are: 1. Which projects are “part of openstack”? 2. Which projects are released as a single unit? 3. Which projects are tested together That's a good summary, yes. Currently we have a number of horizontal teams, which must support equally an

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Ed Leafe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2014 08:42 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: It seems that this discussion has actually illustrated shortcomings in our answers to 3 separate questions, and people have been throwing out ideas that attempt to solve all 3. Perhaps we need to

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:25 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: That said, singling out the test infrastructure (3) and the release management (2) is a bit unfair to other horizontal efforts, like Documentation, Translations, or general QA, which also suffer from a scale issue. The

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/18/2014 02:53 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Enjoy. I enjoyed your post (though I don't agree with

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Jay Pipes
Heh, I just got off the phone with Monty talking about this :) Comments inline... On 09/22/2014 03:11 PM, Tim Bell wrote: The quality designation is really important for the operator community who are trying to work out what we can give to our end users. So, I think it's important to point

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread James Slagle
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Heh, I just got off the phone with Monty talking about this :) Comments inline... On 09/22/2014 03:11 PM, Tim Bell wrote: The quality designation is really important for the operator community who are trying to work out

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Jay Pipes
Hi James, thanks for the corrections/explanations. A comment inline (and a further question) :) On 09/26/2014 05:35 PM, James Slagle wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Heh, I just got off the phone with Monty talking about this :) Comments inline...

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Robert Collins
On 27 September 2014 09:43, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi James, thanks for the corrections/explanations. A comment inline (and a further question) :) Oh, good to know. Sorry, my information about Triple-O's undercloud setup is clearly outdated. I thought that the undercloud was

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-09-26 14:43:40 -0700: Hi James, thanks for the corrections/explanations. A comment inline (and a further question) :) On 09/26/2014 05:35 PM, James Slagle wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Heh, I just got

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-26 Thread Rochelle.RochelleGrober
Robert Collins on Friday, September 26, 2014 3:33 PM wrote: On 27 September 2014 09:43, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi James, thanks for the corrections/explanations. A comment inline (and a further question) :) Oh, good to know. Sorry, my information about Triple-O's undercloud

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/24/2014 07:55 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 18/09/14 14:53, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Thanks Monty, I

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-25 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 18/09/14 14:53, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit.

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 25/09/14 15:12, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 18/09/14 14:53, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-25 Thread Robert Collins
On 26 September 2014 10:28, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: So it goes without saying that I support the latter part (functionally test against their real dependencies). I'm not convinced by the idea of not having an integrated release though. Time-based releases seem to be pretty

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-25 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Sep 25, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: So I guess I'm saying: Lets decouple 'what is openstack' from 'what we test together on every commit'. It seems that this discussion has actually illustrated shortcomings in our answers to 3 separate questions,

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Zhipeng Huang
I think Joe's idea pretty sums it up, ASF model is definitely worth following (Mesos is awesome). Non layer #1 projects will still be shepherded but not that closely coupled to make OpenStack over-bloated. Incubation projects can't be just dropped. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Joe Gordon

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/18/2014 02:53 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 When I first read Monty's post, my basic reaction was yes,

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 18/09/14 14:53, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Thanks Monty, I think there are some very interesting ideas in

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-09-23 21:14:47 -0700: No one helped me edit this :) http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2014/09/24/what-poles-for-the-tent/ I hope I haven't zoned out and just channelled someone else here ;) This sounds like API's are what matters. You did

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 19/09/14 22:37, Monty Taylor wrote: I think we can do what you're saying and generalize a little bit. What if we declared programs, as needed, when we think there is a need to pick a winner. (I think we can all agree that early winner picking is an unintended but very real side effect of the

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread David Kranz
On 09/24/2014 02:48 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-09-23 21:14:47 -0700: No one helped me edit this :) http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2014/09/24/what-poles-for-the-tent/ I hope I haven't zoned out and just channelled someone else here ;) This sounds

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-09-24 13:55:57 -0400 (-0400), Zane Bitter wrote: [...] * Assumption #2: Yawnoc's Law Don't bother Googling that, I just made it up. It's the reverse of Conway's Law: Infra engineers who design governance structures for OpenStack are constrained to produce designs that are

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Angus Salkeld
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 18/09/14 14:53, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit.

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: One of the primary effects of integration, as far as the release process is concerned, is being

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Robert Collins wrote: On 19 September 2014 22:29, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: ... current Heat team is not really interested in maintaining them. What's the point of being under the same program then ? And TripleO is not the only way to deploy OpenStack, but its mere existence

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: One of the primary effects

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: One of the primary effects of integration,

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 22 September 2014 23:14, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: I am not at all sure we've prevented other flowers blooming - and I hate the idea that we have done that. I've certainly sat around at discussions which shut down hard with somebody making the statement that 'that is

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: One

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: If we are no longer incubating *programs*, which are the teams of people who we would like to ensure are involved in OpenStack governance, then how do we make that decision? From a practical standpoint, how do we make a

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Thierry Carrez
Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: One is a technical discussion that has nothing at all to do with governance. The other is entirely about governance. If we are no longer incubating *programs*, which are the teams of

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: If we are no longer incubating *programs*, which are the teams of people who we would like to ensure are involved in OpenStack governance,

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Allison Randal
On 09/23/2014 02:18 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: The main goal of incubation, as we did it in the past cycles, is a learning period where the new project aligns enough with the existing ones so that it integrates with them (Horizon shows Sahara dashboard) and won't break them around release time

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: One is a technical discussion that has nothing at all to do with governance. The other is entirely about

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-23 Thread Robert Collins
No one helped me edit this :) http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2014/09/24/what-poles-for-the-tent/ I hope I haven't zoned out and just channelled someone else here ;) -Rob On 19 September 2014 06:53, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Dickinson wrote: I propose that we can get the benefits of Monty's proposal and implement all of his concrete suggestions (which are fantastic) by slightly adjusting our usage of the program/project concepts. I had originally hoped that the program concept would have been a little

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey On Thu, 2014-09-18 at 11:53 -0700, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Lots of great stuff here, but too much to

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Zhipeng Huang
Great conversations here. I'd like to echo Dean Troyer's comment on Suggestion 9, for multi-cloud span node pooling ,we need standards. It'll make life easier when user tools could be configured against a limit as well as standard set of rules, instead of numerous different rules by vendors. It

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Troy Toman
FWIW, I think this is a great approach to evolving our thinking of the projects and ecosystem around OpenStack. I’m far too removed these days from the details of the day-to-day running of the programs and projects to comment on details. But, I’ve long felt a need to go beyond the simple core +

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 09/19/2014 03:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit.

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Hey Monty, As

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Enjoy. I’ve read through

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Tim Bell
On 22 Sep 2014, at 20:53, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 22, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: On 22 Sep 2014, at 20:53, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff.

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: On 22 Sep 2014, at 20:53, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Monty

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: On 22 Sep 2014, at 20:53, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Robert Collins
On 19 September 2014 22:29, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: ... current Heat team is not really interested in maintaining them. What's the point of being under the same program then ? And TripleO is not the only way to deploy OpenStack, but its mere existence (and name) prevented

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Dean Troyer
tl;dr: we're not broken, but under stress...changing (outside) expectations requires changing the expression of the model...while it's called a 'stack' maybe it's multiple tiered stacks. MultiStack! On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: The point of

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Robert Collins
On 23 September 2014 10:32, Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr: we're not broken, but under stress...changing (outside) expectations requires changing the expression of the model...while it's called a 'stack' maybe it's multiple tiered stacks. MultiStack! ... This is one reason for

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen devananda@gmail.com wrote: One of the primary effects of integration, as far as the release process is concerned, is being allowed to co-gate with other

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Hey Monty, As you can imagine, I read that post with great attention. I generally like the

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete suggestions here. A couple more: 1. I think we need a better name for Layer #1 that actually represents what the goal of it is: Infrastructure Services? 2. We need to be be open to having other Layer #1s

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread John Griffith
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete suggestions here. A couple more: 1. I think we need a better name for Layer #1 that actually represents what the goal of it is:

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Adam Lawson
Can someone do a small little Visio or other visual to explain what's being proposed here? My head sported a small crack at around the 5-6th page... ; ) But seriously, I couldn't understand the proposal. Maybe I'm not the audience which is fine, just saying, the words got in the way. Sounds like

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread John Dickinson
On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete suggestions here. A couple more: 1. I think we

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete suggestions here. A couple more: 1. I think we need a better name for Layer #1 that actually represents what the goal of it is:

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Dean Troyer
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Adam Lawson alaw...@aqorn.com wrote: Can someone do a small little Visio or other visual to explain what's being Sean's blog post included a nice diagram that is Monty's starting point: https://dague.net/2014/08/26/openstack-as-layers/ AIUI Monty's Layer 1

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:14 AM, John Dickinson m...@not.mn wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Anita Kuno
On 09/19/2014 01:15 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete suggestions here. A couple more: 1. I think we need a better name for Layer #1

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 03:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Hey Monty, As you can imagine, I read that

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 10:14 AM, John Dickinson wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 10:50 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:14 AM, John Dickinson m...@not.mn wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-18 Thread Dean Troyer
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. Thanks for writing that Monty. Sean took a concept meant for

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-18 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete suggestions here. A couple more: 1. I think we need a better name for Layer #1 that actually represents what the goal of it is: Infrastructure Services? 2. We need to be be open to having other Layer #1s within the community. We should allow