Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-19 Thread Tim Bell
On 18 Aug 2016, at 22:48, Michael Still > wrote: Shelved instances still consume IPs and hypervisor disk IIRC, so they're not free for nova. So, there has to be some form of accounting of shelved instances to stop resource exhaustion, especially in

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread David Medberry
ux Systems Engineer > > GoDaddy > > > > *From: *David Medberry <openst...@medberry.net> > *Date: *Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:49 PM > *To: *"Jonathan D. Proulx" <j...@csail.mit.edu> > *Cc: *"openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org" < &g

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread Kris G. Lindgren
: "openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan D. Proulx <j...@csail.mit.edu<mailto:j...@csail.mit.edu>> wrote: True they do consume IPs. In my con

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread David Medberry
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: > > True they do consume IPs. > > In my configuration they do not consume any hypervisor disk. I > *think* this is true of all configurations once the 'shelved' systems > are 'offloaded'. i concur, that's the

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread Jonathan D. Proulx
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 06:48:12AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: :Shelved instances still consume IPs and hypervisor disk IIRC, so they're :not free for nova. So, there has to be some form of accounting of shelved :instances to stop resource exhaustion, especially in the IP space. : :I'm not opposed

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread Michael Still
Shelved instances still consume IPs and hypervisor disk IIRC, so they're not free for nova. So, there has to be some form of accounting of shelved instances to stop resource exhaustion, especially in the IP space. I'm not opposed to removing most of their cost from quota, but I don't think we can

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread Fox, Kevin M
+1 From: Tim Bell [tim.b...@cern.ch] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 10:50 AM To: Jonathan D. Proulx Cc: openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving I was interested to establish a consensus that - Shelved instances

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread Tim Bell
I was interested to establish a consensus that - Shelved instances should not be part of the users quota - Quota in Glance (and associated chargeback if appropriate) is needed Glance space for us is much less expensive than people leaving their instances running. Equally, terminating a user’s

Re: [Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread Jonathan D. Proulx
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 03:24:28PM +, Tim Bell wrote: : :We’re having a look at VM shelving for the CERN community and struggling to find a motivation for a private cloud user to shelve their instances (and free up resources they may be only using infrequently). : :The problem is that

[Openstack-operators] Shelving

2016-08-18 Thread Tim Bell
We’re having a look at VM shelving for the CERN community and struggling to find a motivation for a private cloud user to shelve their instances (and free up resources they may be only using infrequently). The problem is that shelved instances seem to still be included in the user’s quota.