Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting
I'd love to chat about the status of increased quality gating. We've been working on this pretty solidly since the design summit and have the infrastructure in place to be able to do the testing. We're currently working with folks on getting an install and a test suitably solid enough that we can put it in place as a gate. Happy to update everyone on the progress and status there though. On 11/15/2011 12:25 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote: Reminder that we have a PPB meeting scheduled at 2000UTC/2:00 PM CST. Does anyone have anything they'd like to cover? One thing that might be worth discussing is a concern several people raised to me last week at Cloud Expo around the Essex release and having some sort of quality gate. It seems like a lot of people definitely want to avoid another release that isn't fully baked at release time. We may want to discuss if there's anything else we should start putting in place now towards that goal. Thoughts? Jonathan. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting on June 2nd
I'd like to point out that incubation of a project and a proposed API are two very different things, and if we couple them too tightly, we will make unnecessary problems for ourselves. I feel that there should be ZERO barrier to entry for the proposal of the API spec. Once people determine what the API should look like, teams are then free to implement the API any way they choose. This way, we will be governing the OpenStack *APIs* and we can more easily determine incubation status by looking to see if the project has implemented the proposed API for their endpoint and have tests to prove it. Just a thought. It would be much easier to discuss the proposed Network and Volume APIs versus discussing whether team Lunr or team Quantum are doing a good job implementing an API we don't know about yet. -jay On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:59 PM, John Purrier j...@openstack.org wrote: With the suggested changes and a clear message around timing and promotion criteria I vote +1. Consider this my absentee ballot. We really need to get projects such as Quantum and Lunr into incubation so we can get some level of control over the network and volume APIs and services. I think the network guys are doing a good job of being open and engaged, the volume effort less so. With the work being done to incorporate Keystone as part of all the project data flows, this is another key project we should consider asap. I also think these three projects must have serious consideration as promotion to core at the E DS, we should quickly set expectations amongst the teams and community correctly. With the level of commitment incubation implies I can direct Monty, Soren, Thierry, et al toward integrating these projects into the build/qa/packaging automation processes. John -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bryce Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:11 AM To: openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting on June 2nd I agree that this makes sense as well. Something along the lines of projects can enter incubation at any point, projects that feel like they're ready to move to core will be voted on 6 weeks prior to design summit to be promoted or not. PTLs will be elected 4 weeks before (I believe this is the existing schedule). If you guys agree with this, I'll update the wiki pages dealing with this. Does anyone have any other feedback on the incubation related pages: http://wiki.openstack.org/ProjectTypes http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/Incubation http://wiki.openstack.org/Projects/IncubatorApplication I want to get these locked down so we can get clarity with some of the projects that are kind of in a limbo state. I'd really like to vote on the incubation definitions in the meeting tomorrow. Feel free to do an absentee ballot before then on the mailing list if you won't be able to make the meeting. Jonathan. On Jun 1, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Eric Day wrote: +1 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 02:28:04PM -0700, Joshua McKenty wrote: +1 Joshua McKenty Piston Cloud Computing, Inc. (650) 283-6846 jos...@piston.cc On 2011-05-31, at 10:15 AM, John Purrier wrote: +1. This will not slow the development of the projects and allows logical management of the projects to be promoted to core. In order to make this happen we will need to lead the DS timelines, as ttx points out, to allow PTL elections and to involve the new project PTL's in the upcoming DS planning. This timeline should be published as part of the overall project lifecycle we are developing (inception/affiliated - incubation - core project). Always recognizing that some projects will stop/hold at specific steps in the process (not all project should/can progress to incubated or core). John -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Thierry Carrez Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:35 AM To: openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting on June 2nd Hey everyone, I won't be able to make the PPB meeting this Thursday. This is a bank holiday over here and we are having people for dinner. If you have the meeting without me, just a few remarks about Core projects promotion vs. release management. I think projects shouldn't be promoted to Core projects status in the middle of a development cycle. The reason is that I need to follow Core projects from a release management perspective (plans, milestone contents, etc.) and you can't just start doing it in the middle of a cycle and pray for a successful coordinated release at the end. They need to be Core projects for the whole cycle, so decided before the design summit time. So we can definitely promote projects
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting tomorrow and Incubation program
Still trying to fix sending to launchpad, but I was happy to skip this. Joshua McKenty Piston Cloud Computing, Inc. (650) 283-6846 jos...@piston.cc On 2011-05-26, at 10:16 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: +1 (or an afternoon...) On May 26, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/5/25 Jonathan Bryce jbr...@jbryce.com: Hi all, I won't be able to make the policy board meeting tomorrow. Ewan will not either. There have been no new agenda items added to the wiki page so I propose we skip this week and reconvene next week. If anyone objects, that's fine as well if the rest of you still want to get together, we just need someone to run it and start the meetbot. Sure, I could use an evening off :) -- Soren Hansen| http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer| http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB meeting tomorrow
Earlier is fine with me if that makes it easier for others. Does 1900 UTC/2:00 PM CDT Monday work as a new time for everyone? Jonathan. On Apr 14, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Soren Hansen wrote: Not sure why, but I didn't get Jonathan's original post in this thread. Anyways, a meeting on Friday evening at 11? Um... No :) Yes, this is also suboptimal for me, obviously... OK for Monday. Any chance we could move to slightly earlier in the day, like 1900 UTC (9pm in Europe, 12pm/2pm for Pacific/Central) ? -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) Release Manager, OpenStack ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB meeting tomorrow
I'm mostly unavailable Thursday as well (at conference), so anytime Friday would be better for me too. -Eric On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 09:49:40AM -0500, Jonathan Bryce wrote: Ewan, Jesse, Vish and I are all unavailable at our regular meeting time tomorrow. I could do it on Friday at the same time (2000 UTC/3:00 PM CDT). Does anyone have any agenda items to discuss? Also, as a follow up to an item from our previous meeting, Thierry has scheduled a release meeting for the design summit: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-devel/+spec/diablo-release-schedule/ Jonathan. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB meeting tomorrow
On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: New point for the agenda. We have stuff that needs to go into openstack-common, and we don't really have a PTL for stuff there. Who manages this? Authn should be openstack-common for sure. Good point. I actually think that openstack-common should *not* have a PTL, and that the PTLs for the other projects should propose code standards for that project and stuff to go into it. Authn would be a great first start, since previous attempts at getting agreement on things like option processing and logging didn't get very far. John, what do you think? -jay My first reaction is that openstack-common should have a PTL, but trying to set up elections, etc is not the important part yet. I'd prefer to see usable code first, and then whoever submitted it can be PTL. In other words, let's not rush to set up governance for something which isn't fully formed yet. Until openstack-common gets to the point of having a good set of code in it, the other projects' PTLs should manage it. However, with no code in it, the role of the existing PTLs would be to define what parts need to be there or some guidelines for what should go in an openstack-common project. Once the code is being written, it should be managed like any other first-class project within openstack. --John smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting tomorrow
cool with me. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Jonathan Bryce jbr...@jbryce.com wrote: So no one has had anything they wanted to discuss. I propose we skip this week's meeting and let everyone have a productive hour back. Any objections? Jonathan. On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote: Anyone have any agenda items for tomorrow? Thierry has scheduled a session at the design summit to talk releases which was a pending item. I don't have anything else to discuss right now. Jonathan. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting tomorrow
Fine by me. Thanks, Ewan. -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc- bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bryce Sent: 07 April 2011 19:47 To: openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting tomorrow So no one has had anything they wanted to discuss. I propose we skip this week's meeting and let everyone have a productive hour back. Any objections? Jonathan. On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote: Anyone have any agenda items for tomorrow? Thierry has scheduled a session at the design summit to talk releases which was a pending item. I don't have anything else to discuss right now. Jonathan. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting
2011/3/29 Chuck Thier cth...@gmail.com: Likely monthly, +/- a couple of weeks :) I think it's imperative that we a) don't set ourselves up in a way that forces major consumers of the code base (like Rackspace) to have to maintain a fork of the code, and b) conversely, let other consumers of the code base benefit from Rackspace's rapid dev/qa/production cycle. Forcing Swift into a longer release cycle than Rackspace Cloud Files would be counter to both of these things. That said, I believe it's equally imperative that if this rapid release cycle only benefits Rackspace, but is a problem for others (not sure how, but it could happen), we need to be very open to their needs and potentially revisit this decision. -- Soren Hansen Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting
I don't have anything for the agenda -- happy to skip it. Ewan. -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc- bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bryce Sent: 24 March 2011 14:59 To: openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting Hi guys, I'm traveling and got my days confused. I didn't realize it was Thursday until Chuck emailed me a few minutes ago. Vish is traveling too and I don't think either of us would be able to make the meeting today. I'm happy to have someone else run the meeting or to reschedule. Whichever you guys prefer. Just let me know. Sorry for dropping the ball on it! Jonathan. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting
I am OK with whatever the group decides. John -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Mellor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:01 AM To: Jonathan Bryce; openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting I don't have anything for the agenda -- happy to skip it. Ewan. -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc- bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bryce Sent: 24 March 2011 14:59 To: openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting Hi guys, I'm traveling and got my days confused. I didn't realize it was Thursday until Chuck emailed me a few minutes ago. Vish is traveling too and I don't think either of us would be able to make the meeting today. I'm happy to have someone else run the meeting or to reschedule. Whichever you guys prefer. Just let me know. Sorry for dropping the ball on it! Jonathan. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting
All right...in the absence of any strong votes to do it and several to skip, we'll skip this week. And I will get the calendar/reminders set up that we talked about last week. Thanks, Jonathan. On Mar 24, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Joshua McKenty wrote: Ill be running to the airport, so skipping it is better for me. Sent from my iPhone On 2011-03-24, at 12:13, John Purrier j...@openstack.org wrote: I am OK with whatever the group decides. John -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc-bounces+john=openstack@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Mellor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:01 AM To: Jonathan Bryce; openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting I don't have anything for the agenda -- happy to skip it. Ewan. -Original Message- From: openstack-poc-bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-poc- bounces+ewan.mellor=citrix@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bryce Sent: 24 March 2011 14:59 To: openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack-poc] PPB Meeting Hi guys, I'm traveling and got my days confused. I didn't realize it was Thursday until Chuck emailed me a few minutes ago. Vish is traveling too and I don't think either of us would be able to make the meeting today. I'm happy to have someone else run the meeting or to reschedule. Whichever you guys prefer. Just let me know. Sorry for dropping the ball on it! Jonathan. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
