Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
On 03/14/2012 11:42 AM, David Kranz wrote: In case any one runs into this, there is a bug in the Precise upstart package that causes a reboot after installing essex to result in a kernel panic. I don't know exactly what in the openstack install process triggers it but there is a PPA mentioned in comment #11 of this bug ticket that fixes the problem after upgrading the upstart package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/935585 Thanks David, I'll see about getting the fixed version properly into Precise. -Robbie -- Robbie Williamson rob...@ubuntu.com robbiew[irc.freenode.net] Don't make me angry...you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. -Bruce Banner ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
On 03/15/2012 10:17 AM, Robbie Williamson wrote: On 03/14/2012 11:42 AM, David Kranz wrote: In case any one runs into this, there is a bug in the Precise upstart package that causes a reboot after installing essex to result in a kernel panic. I don't know exactly what in the openstack install process triggers it but there is a PPA mentioned in comment #11 of this bug ticket that fixes the problem after upgrading the upstart package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/935585 Thanks David, I'll see about getting the fixed version properly into Precise. FYI, I checked with our upstart maintainer and the fix should arrive in Precise by tomorrow, Monday at the latest. -Robbie ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Shep, Those steps are great. I'll be running through them, the devstack and any other info I've collated and update the bug I originally raised that caused me the pain that tipped me over the edge ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/953989) Adam, the other bugs raised in the last day regarding my issues where raised by jaypipes when helping me troubleshoot my install : https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/954089 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/954087 Regards, Kev On 14 March 2012 01:59, Justin Shepherd jshep...@rackspace.com wrote: Sent this to kevin earlier, thought i would throw it out to the list.. here are the steps i take to get a working keystone and glance on Ubuntu-12.04 using the ubuntu packages. http://paste.openstack.org/show/9101/ These steps produce a working keystone and glance.. not 100% sure they are the most efficient steps, would be curious to hear from others if there is a better way. --shep On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Adam Gandelman wrote: On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.org. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Kevin- As someone who helps maintain the Ubuntu packages, I'm curious to know when/what/where the problems you've hit installing packages. Do/did bug #s exist? Can you please file bugs when you hit them? We've been making an extra effort to ensure that the Openstack packages on archive.ubuntu.comare *at least* installable without error at any given time. Packaging bugs have slipped through into our weekly uploads, but we've been either catching them early or responding to any new relevant bug reports, and doing point uploads with fixes ASAP so things are installable until the next weekly upload. I ask anyone that is running into packaging problems: Please file bugs against the Ubuntu packages if you find they are failing to install. They *will* get fixed! Adam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Kevin Jackson @itarchitectkev ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Those were great bugs too - sorry you hit them, but thanks to you and Jay for reporting them in! We're working on them now! -joe On Mar 14, 2012, at 1:45 AM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Shep, Those steps are great. I'll be running through them, the devstack and any other info I've collated and update the bug I originally raised that caused me the pain that tipped me over the edge (https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/953989) Adam, the other bugs raised in the last day regarding my issues where raised by jaypipes when helping me troubleshoot my install : https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/954089 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/954087 Regards, Kev On 14 March 2012 01:59, Justin Shepherd jshep...@rackspace.com wrote: Sent this to kevin earlier, thought i would throw it out to the list.. here are the steps i take to get a working keystone and glance on Ubuntu-12.04 using the ubuntu packages. http://paste.openstack.org/show/9101/ These steps produce a working keystone and glance.. not 100% sure they are the most efficient steps, would be curious to hear from others if there is a better way. --shep On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Adam Gandelman wrote: On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.org. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Kevin- As someone who helps maintain the Ubuntu packages, I'm curious to know when/what/where the problems you've hit installing packages. Do/did bug #s exist? Can you please file bugs when you hit them? We've been making an extra effort to ensure that the Openstack packages on archive.ubuntu.com are *at least* installable without error at any given time. Packaging bugs have slipped through into our weekly uploads, but we've been either catching them early or responding to any new relevant bug reports, and doing point uploads with fixes ASAP so things are installable until the next weekly upload. I ask anyone that is running into packaging problems: Please file bugs against the Ubuntu packages if you find they are failing to install. They *will* get fixed! Adam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Kevin Jackson @itarchitectkev ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
In case any one runs into this, there is a bug in the Precise upstart package that causes a reboot after installing essex to result in a kernel panic. I don't know exactly what in the openstack install process triggers it but there is a PPA mentioned in comment #11 of this bug ticket that fixes the problem after upgrading the upstart package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/935585 -David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Hi Shep and others - A couple of questions to enhance my understanding while I walk through this for the install doc. Service Tenant - do you create just one service tenant to enclose all the service users? Glance Service User - do you create a Nova Service User and a Swift Service User also? files/default_catalog.templates - are your commands updating the template or a database? It this is a point of confusion. I guess I have to also add: [catalog] driver = keystone.catalog.backends.sql.Catalog to keystone.conf in order to use a database backend for my service catalog? Thanks for improving my mind map. Anne On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Justin Shepherd jshep...@rackspace.comwrote: Sent this to kevin earlier, thought i would throw it out to the list.. here are the steps i take to get a working keystone and glance on Ubuntu-12.04 using the ubuntu packages. http://paste.openstack.org/show/9101/ These steps produce a working keystone and glance.. not 100% sure they are the most efficient steps, would be curious to hear from others if there is a better way. --shep On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Adam Gandelman wrote: On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.org. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Kevin- As someone who helps maintain the Ubuntu packages, I'm curious to know when/what/where the problems you've hit installing packages. Do/did bug #s exist? Can you please file bugs when you hit them? We've been making an extra effort to ensure that the Openstack packages on archive.ubuntu.comare *at least* installable without error at any given time. Packaging bugs have slipped through into our weekly uploads, but we've been either catching them early or responding to any new relevant bug reports, and doing point uploads with fixes ASAP so things are installable until the next weekly upload. I ask anyone that is running into packaging problems: Please file bugs against the Ubuntu packages if you find they are failing to install. They *will* get fixed! Adam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: Hi Shep and others - A couple of questions to enhance my understanding while I walk through this for the install doc. Service Tenant - do you create just one service tenant to enclose all the service users? Glance Service User - do you create a Nova Service User and a Swift Service User also? files/default_catalog.templates - are your commands updating the template or a database? It this is a point of confusion. I guess I have to also add: [catalog] driver = keystone.catalog.backends.sql.Catalog to keystone.conf in order to use a database backend for my service catalog? Thanks for improving my mind map. Anne Anne, I based the service tenant off what is done in devstack.. and it creates one service tenant that encloses all the service users. Yes, i also create a nova and swift user that is part of the service tenant (also based on what is being done in devstack). In the example i set the name and password the same, but i generate separate passwords for each in actual deployments. As for the default_catalog.templates, I am not making use of that file in any way. I am creating endpoints from the command line/api which populates the service catalog.. To be honest I also find this file confusing, and do not understand why or how you use it. --shep On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Justin Shepherd jshep...@rackspace.commailto:jshep...@rackspace.com wrote: Sent this to kevin earlier, thought i would throw it out to the list.. here are the steps i take to get a working keystone and glance on Ubuntu-12.04 using the ubuntu packages. http://paste.openstack.org/show/9101/ These steps produce a working keystone and glance.. not 100% sure they are the most efficient steps, would be curious to hear from others if there is a better way. --shep On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Adam Gandelman wrote: On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.orghttp://openstack.org/. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Kevin- As someone who helps maintain the Ubuntu packages, I'm curious to know when/what/where the problems you've hit installing packages. Do/did bug #s exist? Can you please file bugs when you hit them? We've been making an extra effort to ensure that the Openstack packages on archive.ubuntu.comhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ are *at least* installable without error at any given time. Packaging bugs have slipped through into our weekly uploads, but we've been either catching them early or responding to any new relevant bug reports, and doing point uploads with fixes ASAP so things are installable until the next weekly upload. I ask anyone that is running into packaging problems: Please file bugs against the Ubuntu packages if you find they are failing to install. They *will* get fixed! Adam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstackhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eopenstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstackhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eopenstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstackhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eopenstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstackhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eopenstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Yeah, one service tenant, and then service accounts for each of nova, glance, quantum, swift. I've got a review that's updating this detail in the keystone docs right now (https://review.openstack.org/#change,5348) The catalog can be either the template (in which case, you don't use commands, you just edit the template) or the SQL based catalog (where you do use the commands) -joe On Mar 14, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: Hi Shep and others - A couple of questions to enhance my understanding while I walk through this for the install doc. Service Tenant - do you create just one service tenant to enclose all the service users? Glance Service User - do you create a Nova Service User and a Swift Service User also? files/default_catalog.templates - are your commands updating the template or a database? It this is a point of confusion. I guess I have to also add: [catalog] driver = keystone.catalog.backends.sql.Catalog to keystone.conf in order to use a database backend for my service catalog? Thanks for improving my mind map. Anne On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Justin Shepherd jshep...@rackspace.com wrote: Sent this to kevin earlier, thought i would throw it out to the list.. here are the steps i take to get a working keystone and glance on Ubuntu-12.04 using the ubuntu packages. http://paste.openstack.org/show/9101/ These steps produce a working keystone and glance.. not 100% sure they are the most efficient steps, would be curious to hear from others if there is a better way. --shep On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Adam Gandelman wrote: On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.org. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Kevin- As someone who helps maintain the Ubuntu packages, I'm curious to know when/what/where the problems you've hit installing packages. Do/did bug #s exist? Can you please file bugs when you hit them? We've been making an extra effort to ensure that the Openstack packages on archive.ubuntu.com are *at least* installable without error at any given time. Packaging bugs have slipped through into our weekly uploads, but we've been either catching them early or responding to any new relevant bug reports, and doing point uploads with fixes ASAP so things are installable until the next weekly upload. I ask anyone that is running into packaging problems: Please file bugs against the Ubuntu packages if you find they are failing to install. They *will* get fixed! Adam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Cheers Padraig - I'll grab a Fedora install and compare notes. I guess if Fedora has an installation candidate, the problem is probably Ubuntu packaging - at least I can direct my issues at Ubuntu rather than OpenStack as a whole... Kev 2012/3/13 Pádraig Brady p...@draigbrady.com On 03/13/2012 09:28 AM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Dear all, I had my first sleepless night last night after a conversation I had in work regarding an OpenStack installation. Are my problems OpenStack's or Ubuntu's packaging? I would love to speak to someone who has this running and direct my questions to the right place. My aim is simple: I want a running OpenStack environment. I'm not familiar with ubuntu's packaging, but to allay your fears about openstack itself, we've recently had a successful Fedora test day testing out various functionality of Essex milestone 4 including the new keystone. I'm not suggesting you switch or anything, but you might be able to copy some of the configuration etc. from the steps detailed at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-03-08_OpenStack_Test_Day cheers, Pádraig. -- Kevin Jackson @itarchitectkev ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Hi Kevin, As others have said, I can only speak to what I'm familiar with ( the Managed I.T. packages). They should be fairly up-to-date, there has been very few bugfixes to the stable branch that I'm aware of since I last updated the packages. Re EC2 compatibility, they are as compatible as the Diablo release is - ie it works fine for the vast majority of API calls. Are there any specific issues you were having? Anyway, Essex might be approaching the RC phase, but that doesn't mean the various packages are! The packages will always take longer.. For Essex, DevStack on 11.10 is going to be the most reliable *test* install and Ubuntu 12.04 *will be* the most reliable (Ubuntu based) production install IMO. (Sorry for the top post, on my mobile!) Thanks, Kiall Sent from my phone. On Mar 13, 2012 9:30 a.m., Kevin Jackson ke...@linuxservices.co.uk wrote: Dear all, I had my first sleepless night last night after a conversation I had in work regarding an OpenStack installation. We are a planning an OpenStack install but I've failed to demonstrate OpenStack running in our environment and yet packages are now being tagged up with RC. As big a supporter as I am, I'm struggling with the justifications when I have nothing tangible to show. The real questions are being posed to me on why we're looking at OpenStack and not CloudStack or Eucalyptus - they have installations that we can turn to. I was hoping Essex would help answer these questions relatively simply, but the opposite has happened - I am struggling to get OpenStack Essex working under Ubuntu - 11.10 and 12.04. There are a few issues I am hoping the community can address: 1) What is the preferred/recommended version of OpenStack to install if we're looking at production (and lets say production involves a plan of running a number of instances of a low impact application somewhere in the next few months - if there are a few bugs, that's ok). 2) What is the preferred/recommended Linux Distribution to install this on? OpenStack is fast approaching RC status. Release Candidate to me means that its nearly ready, but there could be some bugs that haven't been raised yet. I haven't had a working Essex since Essex-1 - it isn't a release candidate for me. I have tried the following package/scripted installations: 1) Ubuntu 11.10 with Diablo (Nova PPA) - some degree of success - failures around Keystone and EC2 API 2) Ubuntu 11.10 with Managedit PPA - better degree of success, but no EC2 compatibility and some bug fixes not back-ported 3) Ubuntu 12.04 (various releases) with Ubuntu packages - no success apart from getting Keystone to do some things, but failing to get services to use Keystone. 4) Ubuntu 11.10 with Devstack (tried yesterday - unfortunately failed [specific reason escapes me, I'll try another install today, but was around nova compute failing to start]) I nearly got 12.04 working with Essex but then Keystone changed to Keystone light. This also raised concerns with us that between Essex-3 and Essex-4 something as fundamental as Keystone changed and ever since then has formed the crux of my problems. It doesn't help that the documentation @ http://keystone.openstack.org/differs from http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/content/identity-configure-keystone.html. I also see conflicting advice on where Keystone fits - not only is the documentation different depending on where you enter the websites/search but even the Forum has Keystone mentioned under Futurestack. Is Keystone pinnacle to an Essex release? I even tried the devstack method of installation thinking this should be the safest option and this failed. I'll try this again though to help here rather than just say it failed. On looking at how Keystone is implemented, I see differences in configuration which I'm unsure what they are (e.g. the service catalog - devstack has a text based catalog and referenced directly in keystone.conf, Ubuntu's are SQL based - on trying the devstack config, Keystone fails to start under Ubuntu 12.04 for example). I also noticed the nova.conf in devstack differs wildly in format to that of Ubuntu following the format for the rest of the configs - is this something nova is moving to? Now I'm pretty sure that OpenStack hasn't got RC status without it running in other people's environments - so I'd just love for you to share your details on how you have done this. Is it all pull from source, install from source? If that's the case - that's great as it means I can use the software, but it wouldn't be something I'd be doing in production on a modest number of machines - so the installation must come from packages eventually, somehow. Are my problems OpenStack's or Ubuntu's packaging? I would love to speak to someone who has this running and direct my questions to the right place. My aim is simple: I want a running OpenStack environment. I appreciate
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Kevin Jackson ke...@linuxservices.co.uk wrote: Hi Andi, Sure - the methods aren't meant for automated production installs, but to get to a world where I can automate using Orchestra or variations on PXE booting, Well.. setting up a distributed system where all the pieces connect, is a bit more complex than a sequence of PXE boots, as the reminder of your post identifies ;) I first need to get to a world where a manual install works. I was getting desperate in having a demonstration available to those that pay my wages - the best candidate I had here were Kiall's managedit repo. Great work (really), but it wouldn't have been anything to be considered for production for obvious reasons. I looked at Crowbar a few months back and tried to persevere with it, but it was very very clunky and not very friendly to use. I couldn't customise it to my network requirements - which aren't anything out of the ordinary, but I needed customisation like VLAN IDs, etc. The docs pointed to editing Barclamps. You can look at it as add complexity, but the layer that crowbar adds on top of the core packages is meant to solve the set of problems that go beyond installing a single node. Like ensuring that the right nodes end up on the right vlan and use the right gateway for that logical network. I would be interested to hear privately more about what you found confusing and complex. And I'd admit that we've made strides in publishing more guides, videos and advice (and heard pretty good feedback). An added complexity which I don't believe is necessary in a world where PXE booting an OS is simple and package installation is even simpler. The crux of the challenge I need to solve is just OpenStack configuration but documentation lags development (naturally - not criticising) and comparing like-for-like hasn't worked for me (e.g. devstack configs are completely different to what, say, Ubuntu deb packages expect). exactly. One thing to note though is that your comparison is not quite fair. Package managers do a great job in installing a single machine. They're not meant, nor really capable to deploy clusters of machines without some layer of orchestration. I think that's actually your expectation from the top of the email. From personal experience - to develop crowbar, I find myself reading more .py files than .html/txt files... that's the world of agile software development. If you want to take on orchestrating an openstack deployment - I can share some good python resources. Given Canonical's backing of OpenStack I thought I was in good company. After I've a working setup of installing Ubuntu onto a few nodes the next natural step would be to use Orchestra (or Cobbler itself which we currently use). To be fair, canonical has been working on JUJU as a layer on top of packages, to... orchestrate deployments. The issue I have is that all the components are installed without out error. package installed is not equal to cluster deployed... sorry, just had to hammer than nail. I come to use it and keystone doesn't want to play ball with the other components. This leads me to believe it can be two things: misconfiguration or bugs. If its misconfiguration - excellent - I can fix that today if someone shares a script or steps to configure Keystone Light to work with the rest of the environment. Assuming you're chef savvy, this might be useful: https://github.com/dellcloudedge/barclamp-keystone/tree/release/essex-hack/master/chef/cookbooks/keystone In the meantime I'm assuming bugs as I'm not getting anywhere fast with what I currently *think* are the correct steps. Cheers, Kev On 13 March 2012 11:27, andi abes andi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kevin, sorry for the hard time you're having. However, most of the methods you described, are NOT meant for production deployments (not saying all, because I haven't tried them all). You might want to look at projects which aim to automate production deployments. I can point you to the one I'm working on (The diablo release is in production in many installations, The essex series is abit nascent, but pretty far along). It's here [1] You can also download ISO's from [2] (the crowbar mailing list is here [3], so you can see what folks have said, and check the wiki here [4]) hope you have a more successful experience. [1] http://github.com/dellcloudedge/crowbar [2] http://crowbar.zehicle.com [3] https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/crowbar [4] http://github.com/dellcloudedge/crowbar/wiki On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Kevin Jackson ke...@linuxservices.co.uk wrote: Cheers Padraig - I'll grab a Fedora install and compare notes. I guess if Fedora has an installation candidate, the problem is probably Ubuntu packaging - at least I can direct my issues at Ubuntu rather than OpenStack as a whole... Kev 2012/3/13 Pádraig Brady p...@draigbrady.com On
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Thanks a lot for the points Andi (and the links), but not to stray away from my original post: I don't want complexity at this stage - I want a single server that works. I haven't even got that. I had a multi node set up working (to some degree of butchery) of an early Essex-1 release using Orchestra, PXE booting and doing appropriate post-configuration, if a little bit of a hack. We're a modest size digital hosting environment - introducing alternative PXE booting and config management systems ontop of something that is already causing us pain isn't something we're looking at right now. Given a fairly slick PXE boot environment already across multiple datacentres of the rest of our kit means we can move to using this for OpenStack. That's an aside - I mentioned prod, but not confuse a way of rolling this out in our datacentres. The issues stem from a basic install. I'd love to chat about bare-metal provisioning issues as it means I've got OpenStack running. I haven't. Yet. I've raised a bug just now (https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/953989) which might shed light on my issues as it's possible its not a bug, but process/config issue. This would be great to hear as it means there's an easy fix. Given that keystone underpins the rest of the environment means that my frustrations could be solved. Cheers, Kev On 13 March 2012 12:42, andi abes andi.a...@gmail.com wrote: I first need to get to a world where a manual install works. I was getting desperate in having a demonstration available to those that pay my wages - the best candidate I had here were Kiall's managedit repo. Great work (really), but it wouldn't have been anything to be considered for production for obvious reasons. -- Kevin Jackson @itarchitectkev ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Adam (and others I've not instantly replied to), Thanks for the reply. I understand that OpenStack (moving target) on Ubuntu (moving target) is no mean feat, but I no doubt expect a lot of people are in the same boat as me. Ubuntu (and other distros) have set a certain level of expectation for installation of applications. Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.org. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Adam, your email is very beneficial and very much appreciated. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS still seems a logical installation choice and its a release we've been waiting for. I'm going to say that from the little guy (who are numerous and less vocal). Orchestra and Juju was always on the cards at some point for me. This email thread has actually turned frustration into optimism again. I might actually break out into a smile... The support has been nothing short of exceptional. The key thing though is that OpenStack does work and people (a lot of people) want to make it work. Of course I'll be happier once I have a working installation again. Today has seen a couple of bugs come out the woodwork, and bugs in my own methods. Any positive to come out of this gets me (and, more importantly to the community, everyone else who has felt equally frustrated) come closer to an end product. To everyone - thanks. Think its going to be a large bar tab at this rate. As an update, the crux of my issues seems to stem around the change to and in keystone-light. Whether the bugs raised today hint at this (both code and user error), the difference between a working devstack deployment and Ubuntu's seem possibly related to the catalog driver method (template file vs sql). Hopefully having a working devstack vs a Ubuntu 12.04 install will clear this up. Thanks once again. Kev :) On 13 March 2012 18:51, Adam Gandelman ad...@canonical.com wrote: Hey Kevin- Sorry to hear about your troubles. I know I was similarly frustrated getting my feet wet with Openstack during the diablo / oneiric cycle. Without knowing details of every problem you've hit in your Ubuntu testing, its difficult to give you simple answers to get you up and going. I can try to offer some assurances that I hope boost your perception of Openstack, specifically Openstack-on-Ubuntu. We're doing *a lot* of testing around Openstack. If you need some proof that this stuff *actually works*, please see our Jenkins dashboard [1]. Note that this testing takes place across a cluster of physical machines, not an all-in-one-virtual-machine. There are several goals here: - ensure our packages correctly install the components onto the distro. [2] - ensure our Juju charms are kept up to date with the latest deployment-related configuration changes [3] - ensure Openstack still works [4] Assuming all of the above is still true, we upload a weekly snapshot of Essex (all components) into the Ubuntu archive every Friday. This upload contains a weeks worth of packaging updates, configuration changes and bug fixes. The end goal here is to help make testing the development release of Openstack on the development release of Ubuntu a stable yet bleeding-edge experience. That said, Openstack is still very much a moving target. Lots of things change in a weeks time--as evidenced by the Keystone Lite migration, among other things. Unfortunately, documentation tends to lag behind (if it exists at all). I'll be the first to admit that none of this stuff is easy. Unless you or your CI robots are spending a good deal of the day tracking upstream development across all components, getting close-to-trunk Openstack running is an extremely daunting task. Speaking for Ubuntu, I expect we'll have documentation added to the Server Guide or elsewhere as the Essex cycle draws to a close and we know *exactly* what we're shipping in Precise. Until then, we certainly appreciate your patience, testing and any bug reports can you supply. -Adam PS: If you're interested in Juju or how this is all deployed and orchestrated, please see the Juju stuff at the tail end of the deployment test run [3]. Some links to automated builds, deploys and tests of Essex on Precise as of this morning: [1] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/**view/Precise%20OpenStack%**20Testing/https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20OpenStack%20Testing/ [2] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/**view/Precise%20OpenStack%**
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Just my 2 cents. Shouldn't openstack be dependent only on a known set of package versions and not a distro? It seems like it should be the job of openstack to define those versions and let the distro's match that as they choice. If 12.04 matches these versions, then it should work, if something else matches these versions then that's fine also. That would make me happy, and is sort of what devstackPY is doing right now (defining that concrete list). That list seems like it should be maintained elsewhere though (and devstackPY should just reference it - ie the master list from a url or something). On 3/13/12 1:53 PM, Kevin Jackson ke...@linuxservices.co.uk wrote: Adam (and others I've not instantly replied to), Thanks for the reply. I understand that OpenStack (moving target) on Ubuntu (moving target) is no mean feat, but I no doubt expect a lot of people are in the same boat as me. Ubuntu (and other distros) have set a certain level of expectation for installation of applications. Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.org http://openstack.org . When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Adam, your email is very beneficial and very much appreciated. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS still seems a logical installation choice and its a release we've been waiting for. I'm going to say that from the little guy (who are numerous and less vocal). Orchestra and Juju was always on the cards at some point for me. This email thread has actually turned frustration into optimism again. I might actually break out into a smile... The support has been nothing short of exceptional. The key thing though is that OpenStack does work and people (a lot of people) want to make it work. Of course I'll be happier once I have a working installation again. Today has seen a couple of bugs come out the woodwork, and bugs in my own methods. Any positive to come out of this gets me (and, more importantly to the community, everyone else who has felt equally frustrated) come closer to an end product. To everyone - thanks. Think its going to be a large bar tab at this rate. As an update, the crux of my issues seems to stem around the change to and in keystone-light. Whether the bugs raised today hint at this (both code and user error), the difference between a working devstack deployment and Ubuntu's seem possibly related to the catalog driver method (template file vs sql). Hopefully having a working devstack vs a Ubuntu 12.04 install will clear this up. Thanks once again. Kev :) On 13 March 2012 18:51, Adam Gandelman ad...@canonical.com wrote: Hey Kevin- Sorry to hear about your troubles. I know I was similarly frustrated getting my feet wet with Openstack during the diablo / oneiric cycle. Without knowing details of every problem you've hit in your Ubuntu testing, its difficult to give you simple answers to get you up and going. I can try to offer some assurances that I hope boost your perception of Openstack, specifically Openstack-on-Ubuntu. We're doing *a lot* of testing around Openstack. If you need some proof that this stuff *actually works*, please see our Jenkins dashboard [1]. Note that this testing takes place across a cluster of physical machines, not an all-in-one-virtual-machine. There are several goals here: - ensure our packages correctly install the components onto the distro. [2] - ensure our Juju charms are kept up to date with the latest deployment-related configuration changes [3] - ensure Openstack still works [4] Assuming all of the above is still true, we upload a weekly snapshot of Essex (all components) into the Ubuntu archive every Friday. This upload contains a weeks worth of packaging updates, configuration changes and bug fixes. The end goal here is to help make testing the development release of Openstack on the development release of Ubuntu a stable yet bleeding-edge experience. That said, Openstack is still very much a moving target. Lots of things change in a weeks time--as evidenced by the Keystone Lite migration, among other things. Unfortunately, documentation tends to lag behind (if it exists at all). I'll be the first to admit that none of this stuff is easy. Unless you or your CI robots are spending a good deal of the day tracking upstream development across all components, getting close-to-trunk Openstack running is an extremely daunting task. Speaking for Ubuntu, I expect we'll have documentation added to the Server Guide or elsewhere as the Essex cycle draws to a close
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.org http://openstack.org. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Kevin- As someone who helps maintain the Ubuntu packages, I'm curious to know when/what/where the problems you've hit installing packages. Do/did bug #s exist? Can you please file bugs when you hit them? We've been making an extra effort to ensure that the Openstack packages on archive.ubuntu.com are *at least* installable without error at any given time. Packaging bugs have slipped through into our weekly uploads, but we've been either catching them early or responding to any new relevant bug reports, and doing point uploads with fixes ASAP so things are installable until the next weekly upload. I ask anyone that is running into packaging problems: Please file bugs against the Ubuntu packages if you find they are failing to install. They *will* get fixed! Adam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Installation Woes - Need re-assurance and help.
Sent this to kevin earlier, thought i would throw it out to the list.. here are the steps i take to get a working keystone and glance on Ubuntu-12.04 using the ubuntu packages. http://paste.openstack.org/show/9101/ These steps produce a working keystone and glance.. not 100% sure they are the most efficient steps, would be curious to hear from others if there is a better way. --shep On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Adam Gandelman wrote: On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Kevin Jackson wrote: Whilst OpenStack is being developed, a lot of people's entry into OpenStack is through deb packages (or insert your fave package management in here) - therefore Ubuntu becomes unofficial (but vocal) PR to OpenStack. If the Ubuntu debs don't install, it becomes Plan B to install from somewhere else - even if that somewhere else is openstack.orghttp://openstack.org/. When we view the pages of http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud there is little doubt that OpenStack is a 1st class citizen (Best-of-breed cloud infrastructure is built into every copy of Ubuntu). Kevin- As someone who helps maintain the Ubuntu packages, I'm curious to know when/what/where the problems you've hit installing packages. Do/did bug #s exist? Can you please file bugs when you hit them? We've been making an extra effort to ensure that the Openstack packages on archive.ubuntu.comhttp://archive.ubuntu.com are *at least* installable without error at any given time. Packaging bugs have slipped through into our weekly uploads, but we've been either catching them early or responding to any new relevant bug reports, and doing point uploads with fixes ASAP so things are installable until the next weekly upload. I ask anyone that is running into packaging problems: Please file bugs against the Ubuntu packages if you find they are failing to install. They *will* get fixed! Adam ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
