[opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread HG
1) Houghi, I do not top post if I can help it - I'm answering this with mobile gmail, which down not give me any choice ... it seems that I'm not quoting anything, but if everything is quoted, I can not help it - I'm sorry for that! 2) Glad to hear (and I suspected so... still I think my point was

Re: [opensuse] common images

2006-05-27 Thread jdd
Marcus Rueckert wrote: On 2006-05-27 14:35:23 +0200, jdd wrote: files.opensuse.org does this mean we will have a common image repository for the wiki? it would much ease the translations... no. but we will reenable linking remote images in the next updates. that means you can use images fr

Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread andreas . hanke
Hi, > Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers > store the downloaded packages locally? You can use smart to get this effect. > E.g. Yast Online Update was able > to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch > CD. It would save bandwidth

Re: [opensuse] common images

2006-05-27 Thread Marcus Rueckert
On 2006-05-27 14:35:23 +0200, jdd wrote: > files.opensuse.org > > does this mean we will have a common image repository for > the wiki? it would much ease the translations... no. but we will reenable linking remote images in the next updates. that means you can use images from the english wiki o

Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread andreas . hanke
Hi, > Yes, apt-rpm not supporting biarch is an issue, forgot about that one. > smart is fully biarch-capable, and so is yum AFAIK. > > What do you mean with "is not the one whose resolver engine was designed > to work with the repositories provided for SUSE Linux" ? I mean the same here in both

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Francis Giannaros
On Saturday 27 May 2006 18:25, Richard Bos wrote: > Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:10, schreef houghi: > > Naturaly he was talking to/about you. Who else would make a case for apt > > What case? People that know apt use it happily. People that don't know > apt are advised by suse (and it's community)

Re: [opensuse] Tried XGL - How to turn it off now?

2006-05-27 Thread Azerion
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 18:50, schreef Johannes Nohl: > Dear list! > > After disabeling XGL in GNOME (with the XGL-Button in Control-Center) > my Windows don't have titels nor borders, Alt+Tab isn't working, also > everything which was animated within XGL before. > > How to get it back (at least un

Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread andreas . hanke
Hi, > You better should blame the non-matching package release numbers for > glibc-devel (i686 has a higher number). Yes, it has a higher number and that's exactly what "not biarch safe" means. A biarch safe package manager doesn't rely on release numbers only. And generally, a package manager

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Carl Hartung
On Saturday 27 May 2006 13:25, Richard Bos wrote: > What case? People that know apt use it happily. People that don't know > apt are advised by suse (and it's community) to use smart for the moment. > When zypp/rug or working normally people will use that. That's fine with > me (case closed).

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:10, schreef houghi: > Naturaly he was talking to/about you. Who else would make a case for apt What case? People that know apt use it happily. People that don't know apt are advised by suse (and it's community) to use smart for the moment. When zypp/rug or working n

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:07, schreef houghi: > E.g. Yast Online Update was able > > > to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch > > CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was > > possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD.

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pascal Bleser wrote: > Thomas Meindl wrote: >>> Druid schrieb: > ... >>> Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers >>> store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able >>> to do this till SUSE 10.0 an

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread jdd
Thomas Meindl wrote: Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves)

Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, >> - apt-rpm: while some people report bad experiences with it (corrupt RPM >> database), I personally never had issues with it (but I've been using >> smart since some time now) and it seems that it's being actively >> m

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread houghi
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 07:05:05PM +0200, Richard Bos wrote: > Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 17:37, schreef Pascal Bleser: > > apt-rpm - Richard is a big fan of it, maybe you'd > > like to make a case for it ;)). > > :) > > Pascal, what do you mean with "you'd like to make a case for it"? > What case?

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread houghi
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 06:58:09PM +0200, Thomas Meindl wrote: > Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers > store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able > to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch > CD. It would

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 18:58, schreef Thomas Meindl: > Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers > store the downloaded packages locally? apt can do this ;) E.g. you build your own package that is of course stored locally. Install the package with 'apt install '.

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 17:37, schreef Pascal Bleser: > apt-rpm - Richard is a big fan of it, maybe you'd > like to make a case for it ;)). :) Pascal, what do you mean with "you'd like to make a case for it"? What case? Do you refer to me or to the some of the previous posters? -- Richard Bos

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Meindl wrote: > Druid schrieb: ... > Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers > store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able > to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a persona

Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Sat, 27 May 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - apt-rpm: while some people report bad experiences with it (corrupt RPM database), I personally never had issues with it (but I've been using smart since some time now) and it seems that it's being actively maintained and developed again, and ev

[opensuse] Tried XGL - How to turn it off now?

2006-05-27 Thread Johannes Nohl
Dear list! After disabeling XGL in GNOME (with the XGL-Button in Control-Center) my Windows don't have titels nor borders, Alt+Tab isn't working, also everything which was animated within XGL before. How to get it back (at least until I bought the hardware needed - Athlon 900MHz 256 Megs Ram and

Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread andreas . hanke
Hi, > - apt-rpm: while some people report bad experiences with it (corrupt RPM > database), I personally never had issues with it (but I've been using > smart since some time now) and it seems that it's being actively > maintained and developed again, and even supports RPM-MD (yum) > repositories

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Thomas Meindl
Druid schrieb: >> 3) Until the major issues are solved, there are a few alternatives to >> YaST2/zypp/ZMD you can use on SUSE Linux 10.1 (and older versions). >> If you want something that works well, now, use those. >> Martin gave a few of the options. >> Let me summarize again (and note that all

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Druid
3) Until the major issues are solved, there are a few alternatives to YaST2/zypp/ZMD you can use on SUSE Linux 10.1 (and older versions). If you want something that works well, now, use those. Martin gave a few of the options. Let me summarize again (and note that all of those are included with SL

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 HG wrote: > On 5/26/06, Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> fredag 26 maj 2006 11:28 skrev HG: >> > Yes,there are many people that know other mechanisms could be used - >> > but many dare not even try. Why? Because nobody knows if it will br

Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread houghi
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 08:00:17AM -0700, HG wrote: > About this list being about the community... I did not ask help in > regards of the package management (though I need it). I was pointing > out that the OpenSUSE community can not hide behind "linux is about > choices" mantra. SUSE needs to clea

[opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread HG
About this list being about the community... I did not ask help in regards of the package management (though I need it). I was pointing out that the OpenSUSE community can not hide behind "linux is about choices" mantra. SUSE needs to clear out the package management mess. And the way to do that i

Re: [opensuse] SUSE 10.1 reviewed in Japanese Magazine

2006-05-27 Thread noniko
houghi A UPS is a must if you have regurlar powerfailures. See that you can get one that has Linux support. That way even if you are not home and there is a powerfailure, it does a neat closedown (and restart) of your system. Thanks for your information! It's going for a severe season against

Re: [opensuse] Package management seems highly messed up

2006-05-27 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Janne Karhunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday 26 May 2006 09:55, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> > Things broken for me: >> > - Installation source handling produces obscure errors every time >> >> Please use my test packages on ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/ If it >> still fails, open a bug

[opensuse] common images

2006-05-27 Thread jdd
I see a new page (good idea): http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Infrastructure and, on this page: files.opensuse.org does this mean we will have a common image repository for the wiki? it would much ease the translations... thanks for this page jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/gal

Re: [opensuse] Can't install with official DVD

2006-05-27 Thread jdd
Sven Burmeister wrote: Hi! Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 00:45 schrieb Peter Flodin: Didn't write to any media. It's VMware, so I'm installing using the ISO directly from my HD. so may be a vmware bug is this the beta version? anyway I didn't find any way to report bugs to vmware :-( jdd -- ht

Re: [opensuse] Can't install with official DVD

2006-05-27 Thread Sven Burmeister
Hi! Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 00:45 schrieb Peter Flodin: > > Didn't write to any media. It's VMware, so I'm installing using the ISO > > directly from my HD. > > You can still check the md5 hash of the iso file that it matches: > http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-dvd-iso/MD

Re: [opensuse] Package management seems highly messed up

2006-05-27 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Friday 26 May 2006 09:55, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > Things broken for me: > > - Installation source handling produces obscure errors every time > > Please use my test packages on ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/ If it > still fails, open a bugreport. Works now, sort of. No errors reported and