Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-07 Thread David Brodbeck
Randall R Schulz wrote: So I take it you didn't build this system yourself? Replacing RAM is not that big of a deal, but if you want to take advantage of the manufacturer's warranty, then I guess it doesn't really matter. If it's Dell, they probably *will* ask you to open the machine up

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Carl William Spitzer IV
Good or bad this could force Novell to fix a few annoying issues like crippled mp3 and video playing. Just make it an option via Dell which is big enough to make bulk licensing cheap enough to interest the end user. -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ || | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ --

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Peter Bradley: Ysgrifennodd Hans du Plooy: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:18 +, Peter Bradley wrote: However it has been flakey: and the once-a-month issue with the grapics card has been the least of my worries. Thunderbird regularly freezes or crashes and has to be re-started

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread James Knott
Peter Bradley wrote: Ysgrifennodd Peter Bradley: Ysgrifennodd Hans du Plooy: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:18 +, Peter Bradley wrote: However it has been flakey: and the once-a-month issue with the grapics card has been the least of my worries. Thunderbird regularly freezes or crashes and

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Randall R Schulz: [ For this kind of information, turning off line wrap when sending is advisable. ] Thanks. I'll remember that in future. The bottom table was coloured a frightening shade of red. Do I have a problem? What do you think?? Hoping against hope,

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Randall R Schulz
Peter, On Tuesday 06 March 2007 12:08, Peter Bradley wrote: ... Did you, by any chance, tweak your RAM access parameters in the BIOS for speed purposes? If so, go back into the BIOS and let it use the RAM's SPD (Serial Presence Detect) to determine the appropriate RAM access

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Randall R Schulz: Peter, Well, BIOS configuration doesn't involve internal surgery, you know. It's just more of that magical keyboard incantation stuff that programmer geeks do so well... Hell no! I might be tempted to write the program that allows you to make the

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Greg Freemyer: You can get Memtest86+ for a boot floppy. That is actually how I run it most of the time. http://www.memtest.org/#downiso(See the 6th download choice) For windows people it makes them better understand that it is just a diagnostic tool not related at all to

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Randall R Schulz
Greg, Peter, On Tuesday 06 March 2007 14:12, Greg Freemyer wrote: On 3/6/07, Peter Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You put *what* on it??? Linux You can get Memtest86+ for a boot floppy. That is actually how I run it most of the time. http://www.memtest.org/#downiso(See

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Randall R Schulz: I think Peter was just anticipating the response of his hardware vendor. Anyway, the SuSE installation disks include Memtest86+ as one of their boot options. Greg Yeah, I was; but there'd be no harm is saying to the vendor: Here's a boot CD with

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-06 Thread Greg Freemyer
On 3/6/07, Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, Peter, On Tuesday 06 March 2007 14:12, Greg Freemyer wrote: On 3/6/07, Peter Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You put *what* on it??? Linux You can get Memtest86+ for a boot floppy. That is actually how I run it most of

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-04 Thread Hans du Plooy
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:18 +, Peter Bradley wrote: However it has been flakey: and the once-a-month issue with the grapics card has been the least of my worries. Thunderbird regularly freezes or crashes and has to be re-started (in fact this is the second time I've written this

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-04 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Hans du Plooy: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:18 +, Peter Bradley wrote: However it has been flakey: and the once-a-month issue with the grapics card has been the least of my worries. Thunderbird regularly freezes or crashes and has to be re-started (in fact this is the second

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-04 Thread Anders Johansson
On Sunday 04 March 2007 20:18, Peter Bradley wrote: Thanks Hans. I will be doing that, when I get the time. I'll be very upset if I find anything wrong. The machines on 6 months old. This mail comes to you after 3 Thunderbird crashes and two KDE SIGSEGs. And my desktop now does not show

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-04 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Anders Johansson: On Sunday 04 March 2007 20:18, Peter Bradley wrote: Thanks Hans. I will be doing that, when I get the time. I'll be very upset if I find anything wrong. The machines on 6 months old. This mail comes to you after 3 Thunderbird crashes and two KDE SIGSEGs.

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-01 Thread Russell Jones
John Andersen wrote: Nor is anybody asking them to. All they need to do is put their secrets on the chips and keep their drivers free of patented or secret code. The insistence on moving most of their copyrighted/patented property indo binary driver blobs is what gets them in trouble. Yet

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-03-01 Thread John Andersen
On Thursday 01 March 2007, Russell Jones wrote: Yet few people object (that I've heard) to copyright firmware being uploaded to devices, e.g. in Hauppage's  dec-2000t. How is this different? I wonder what stops nv/ati from providing a GPL driver that just does an upload of copyright/patented

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-28 Thread James Knott
John Andersen wrote: I run servers 24x7, but I shut my desktop machine down when it's not being used to conserve power. I used to rarely reboot my laptop, just suspend/resume it, but 10.2 totally broke suspend/resume so now I'm forced to actually shut it down. Well the way I look at

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-28 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 07:18 -0500, James Knott wrote: John Andersen wrote: I run servers 24x7, but I shut my desktop machine down when it's not being used to conserve power. I used to rarely reboot my laptop, just suspend/resume it, but 10.2 totally broke suspend/resume so now I'm forced

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-28 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Seth Arnold: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:18:29PM +, Peter Bradley wrote: earlier. I had AppArmor going wild for no reason I could fathom and refusing to allow Apache to do all the things it needed to do (like access the file system). There are other, smaller, issues as

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-28 Thread Seth Arnold
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 06:47:20PM +, Peter Bradley wrote: Well, going wild may be a bit colourful :) but I somehow went from having no problem at all with Apache to having nothing but trouble - and it all turned out to be because AppArmor was (if I understand correctly how it works)

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-28 Thread David Brodbeck
John Andersen wrote: Ah, Peter, I hate to break it to ya, but that process constitutes a problem. It shouldn't be necessary, and its not with any card but ATI and Nvidia. Unfortunately it's sort of the price you have to pay if you want decent 3D performance. ATI and NVIDIA have a good

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-28 Thread John Andersen
On Wednesday 28 February 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: John Andersen wrote: Ah, Peter, I hate to break it to ya, but that process constitutes a problem. It shouldn't be necessary, and its not with any card but ATI and Nvidia. Unfortunately it's sort of the price you have to pay if you want

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread Tony Alfrey
John Andersen wrote: On Monday 26 February 2007, Jan Tiggy wrote: WTF cares about what distro? We just need mashines especially laptops checked  against linux. Exactly.If dell had to stand behind their warranty for linux they wouldn't be jamming ATI cards into the machines without

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread ken
On 02/26/2007 10:08 PM somebody named John Andersen wrote: On Monday 26 February 2007, Jan Tiggy wrote: WTF cares about what distro? We just need mashines especially laptops checked against linux. Exactly.If dell had to stand behind their warranty for linux they wouldn't be jamming ATI

ATI video cards (was: Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads)

2007-02-27 Thread ken
On 02/27/2007 05:58 AM somebody named Tony Alfrey wrote: John Andersen wrote: On Monday 26 February 2007, Jan Tiggy wrote: WTF cares about what distro? We just need mashines especially laptops checked  against linux. Exactly.If dell had to stand behind their warranty for linux they

Re: ATI video cards (was: Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads)

2007-02-27 Thread Sunny
On 2/27/07, ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/27/2007 05:58 AM somebody named Tony Alfrey wrote: John Andersen wrote: On Monday 26 February 2007, Jan Tiggy wrote: WTF cares about what distro? We just need mashines especially laptops checked  against linux. Exactly.If dell had to

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Tony Alfrey: Yes, I had noticed that they were offering ATI cards and that was making me uncomfortable after hearing all of the angst about getting these to work on a linux box. Funny that. I've had no trouble installing the ATI drivers on my AMD64 x 2 SUSE 10.0 Compaq box -

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread J Sloan
Peter Bradley wrote: Funny that. I've had no trouble installing the ATI drivers on my AMD64 x 2 SUSE 10.0 Compaq box - and I'm hopeless at these sorts of things. I just downloaded them from ATI, ran the install script, did aticonfig --initial and that was it. I've also installed quite a few

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd J Sloan: If you're somehow having to reboot a linux box that often, that's not luck, that's extreme flakiness. Joe That's true, but I've always put it down to the fact that it's my home desktop which is powered down every night and re-awoken every evening when I get in from

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread Kai Ponte
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 11:03:01 am J Sloan wrote: Peter Bradley wrote: Funny that. I've had no trouble installing the ATI drivers on my AMD64 x 2 SUSE 10.0 Compaq box - and I'm hopeless at these sorts of things. I just downloaded them from ATI, ran the install script, did aticonfig

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread J Sloan
Kai Ponte wrote: On Tuesday 27 February 2007 11:03:01 am J Sloan wrote: Peter Bradley wrote: Funny that. I've had no trouble installing the ATI drivers on my AMD64 x 2 SUSE 10.0 Compaq box - and I'm hopeless at these sorts of things. I just downloaded them from ATI, ran the

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread David Brodbeck
J Sloan wrote: Your microsoft background is showing again ;) Old school linux people don't like to reboot - I usually get 40-100 days uptime on my desktop boxes, rebooting for kernel upgrades. I'm a little more conservative on my home servers, and they routinely have 6 month uptimes. At work

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread Seth Arnold
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:18:29PM +, Peter Bradley wrote: earlier. I had AppArmor going wild for no reason I could fathom and refusing to allow Apache to do all the things it needed to do (like access the file system). There are other, smaller, issues as well. Going wild? What

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread Kai Ponte
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 01:13:35 pm J Sloan wrote: Kai Ponte wrote: On Tuesday 27 February 2007 11:03:01 am J Sloan wrote: Peter Bradley wrote: Funny that. I've had no trouble installing the ATI drivers on my AMD64 x 2 SUSE 10.0 Compaq box - and I'm hopeless at these sorts of

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, ken wrote: One problem I generally have when I buy a machine is, if something is wrong with the hardware within the warrantee period, the tech help won't help you if you don't run Windows to help them diagnose the problem. Well I'm certain that policy would prevail

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Peter Bradley wrote: Ysgrifennodd Tony Alfrey: Yes, I had noticed that they were offering ATI cards and that was making me uncomfortable after hearing all of the angst about getting these to work on a linux box. Funny that. I've had no trouble installing the

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: J Sloan wrote: Your microsoft background is showing again ;) Old school linux people don't like to reboot - I usually get 40-100 days uptime on my desktop boxes, rebooting for kernel upgrades. I'm a little more conservative on my home

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-27 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, John Andersen wrote: On Tuesday 27 February 2007, ken wrote: One problem I generally have when I buy a machine is, if something is wrong with the hardware within the warrantee period, the tech help won't help you if you don't run Windows to help them diagnose

[opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-26 Thread M Harris
Well, its about time. It doesn't look like Dell will be totally patronizing one distro, but one article said Dell was working with Novell. The is a fantastic action... because it was the result of Dell taking a hard look at its user suggestion box... we want Linux, and we want Openoffice.

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-26 Thread Jan Tiggy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M Harris wrote: Well, its about time. It doesn't look like Dell will be totally patronizing one distro, but one article said Dell was working with Novell. The is a fantastic action... because it was the result of Dell taking a hard look at its

Re: [opensuse] Linux on Dell preloads

2007-02-26 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 26 February 2007, M Harris wrote: Well, its about time. It doesn't look like Dell will be totally patronizing one distro, but one article said Dell was working with Novell. The is a fantastic action... because it was the result of Dell taking a hard look at its user suggestion box...