Edward Dunagin wrote:
hey fellows and gals, this confuses me to no end.sigh
here is my cat /proc/info
processor : 0
[snip]
physical id : 0
core id : 0
cpu cores : 1
processor : 1
[snip]
physical id : 0
core id : 0
cpu cores : 1
It
Randall R Schulz wrote:
In a HyperThreading CPU not all of the CPU hardware is present twice,
hence there is less available parallelism.
There is actually zero real concurrency/parallelism - there is only one
execution unit. Look up SMT (simultaneous multihreading) for a more
detailed
I heard from several sides that the base system of openSUSE 10.2 is a
bit large - and agree and would like to discuss with you what we can
do.
I thought about the following:
* make the existing base system pattern really minimal
* add another conveninience pattern that has all the extra stuff we
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Von: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2007 09:39
An: opensuse-factory
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Betreff: [opensuse-factory] Making the basesystem smaller
I heard from several sides that the base system of openSUSE
On 1/18/07, Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I heard from several sides that the base system of openSUSE 10.2 is a
bit large - and agree and would like to discuss with you what we can
do.
I thought about the following:
* make the existing base system pattern really minimal
* add another
Am Do 18.01.2007 09:39 schrieb Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* What do you think of this? Do you have better ideas?
Perhaps we can discuss if we need an additional option Remove after
installation in the YaST2-Packagemanager - for Example: Some
YaST2-Modules can be deleted, when the
Lars Rupp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am Do 18.01.2007 09:39 schrieb Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* What do you think of this? Do you have better ideas?
Perhaps we can discuss if we need an additional option Remove after
installation in the YaST2-Packagemanager - for Example: Some
Claes Bäckström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Something I would like to see in the base pattern is tools to
install new software and with that I don't only mean rpm but a way to
use a network source for installation and update perhaps zypper? And I
personally never install a machine nowdays
On 1/18/07, Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Claes Bäckström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Something I would like to see in the base pattern is tools to
install new software and with that I don't only mean rpm but a way to
use a network source for installation and update perhaps zypper?
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:52]:
A good idea,
I think it would be enough to have a login and a !!small!! yast for
installing more packages.
If we are talking about a _really_ small base system, it should include RPM at
most
but not YaST.
YaST is a convenience
* Claes Bäckström [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:56]:
Something I would like to see in the base pattern is tools to
install new software and with that I don't only mean rpm but a way to
use a network source for installation and update perhaps zypper?
As written before, I'd see such tools
* Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 10:00]:
Lars Rupp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am Do 18.01.2007 09:39 schrieb Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* What do you think of this? Do you have better ideas?
Perhaps we can discuss if we need an additional option Remove after
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:52]:
A good idea,
I think it would be enough to have a login and a !!small!! yast for
installing more packages.
If we are talking about a _really_ small base system, it should include RPM
at most
but not YaST.
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:52]:
I think it would be enough to have a login and a !!small!! yast for
installing more packages.
If we are talking about a _really_ small base system, it should
include RPM at most but not YaST. YaST is a
* Wolfgang Rosenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 10:27]:
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
I agree. Thinking of virtualized systems, sharing filesystems is sufficient.
Really. For what to have a virtualized system if you can't really
connect to it?
To do data processing for example, i.e.
* Ludwig Nussel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 10:27]:
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:52]:
I think it would be enough to have a login and a !!small!! yast for
installing more packages.
If we are talking about a _really_ small base
On 1/18/07, Klaus Kaempf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Claes Bäckström [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:56]:
Something I would like to see in the base pattern is tools to
install new software and with that I don't only mean rpm but a way to
use a network source for installation and update
Am Do 18.01.2007 10:27 schrieb Ludwig Nussel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well, since yast asks for the root password in 2nd stage a system
without yast would be somewhat useless as you couldn't even log in
after installation.
Thats why I wrote: deinstall after installation.
So we can walk trough the
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Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:52]:
A good idea,
I think it would be enough to have a login and a !!small!! yast for
installing more packages.
If we are talking about a
2007/1/18, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
In a HyperThreading CPU not all of the CPU hardware is present twice,
hence there is less available parallelism.
There is actually zero real concurrency/parallelism - there is only one
execution unit. Look up SMT (simultaneous
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* Claes Bäckström [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 09:56]:
Something I would like to see in the base pattern is tools to
install new software and with that I don't only mean rpm but a way to
use a network source for installation and update perhaps zypper?
As written
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 09:52 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A good idea,
I think it would be enough to have a login and a !!small!! yast for
installing more packages.
In my opinion it is not neccessary to have a working network for a really
small system.
A small system running
* Jonathon M. Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 15:21]:
I would have to throw in on the side of networking being part of base,
although I realize the enlargement that would create due to the amount
of drivers required.
Drivers is another good point. Would the 'minimal base' include a
On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:39, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I heard from several sides that the base system of openSUSE 10.2 is a
bit large - and agree and would like to discuss with you what we can
do.
I thought about the following:
* make the existing base system pattern really minimal
* add
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
As written before, I'd see such tools as convenience applications.
Maybe we should define the purpose and application of such a 'base'
pattern first.
Is it for
1. installing a really minimal but somewhat usable system via CD/DVD ?
yes.
2. running a (Xen) virtual guest
* Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 16:03]:
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
For 2. or 3. a bash prompt would probably be sufficient (plus a
way to install the application you want to run virtualized.)
Xen: no. You don't use xen guests just to boot to the bash prompt,
usually you want
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 16:03]:
So you need some convinent way to install software. You also want security
updates for
them. I don't see how xen guests are that much different than a minimum
system on real hardware.
Depends on how you manage
* Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 17:14]:
Inside. Outside implies downtime.
Inside has the risk of breaking your system if an update is broken.
Outside does not necessarily mean a long downtime. Imagine the
following.
- create a copy of the virtual image
- loopback mount it
-
* Martin Schlander [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 17. 2007 09:23]:
I installed from DVD5, when I wanted to remove RealPlayer I got a lot of
conflicts with the other non-oss stuff, I eventually found out that I could
solve the problem by removing the non-oss pattern. To me it makes absolutely
no
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 18. 2007 16:03]:
chroot: very much depends on what you plan to do with it. The chroots
which are created for running daemons in there (named, dhcpd, ...) are
smaller than any package on the
* Robert Schiele [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-18-07 15:54]:
[...]
So if this discussion should become constructive you should discuss
about a minimal pattern that should be installed when installing a
new system or a pattern that should be installed for doing this or
that but not mix up everything
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 04:23:41PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Robert Schiele [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-18-07 15:54]:
[...]
So if this discussion should become constructive you should discuss
about a minimal pattern that should be installed when installing a
new system or a pattern that
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Robert Schiele wrote:
[...]
So what people actually mean when they say minimal package set is actually
either a what-_I_-want-at-least-on-my-system package set or a
what-is-needed-for-a-specific-job pattern set. In the first case you will
never
Pascal Bleser wrote:
As Robert wrote, I think we should first define what kind of minimal
package sets we want/need.
think by function: write the use, then the result
- - chroot (that's probably the most minimalistic, not even RPM in there)
I'm not very aware of that, however I have a use
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 08:55:54AM +1100, Graham Smith wrote:
What might be needed is a base package set plus a number of extra pattern
sets to cover specific jobs like:-
a) minimal networking
b) package management
c) virtualised systems
You would then select the base package set, then
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:02 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Claes Bäckström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Something I would like to see in the base pattern is tools to
install new software and with that I don't only mean rpm but a way to
use a network source for installation and update perhaps
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 16:03 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
As written before, I'd see such tools as convenience applications.
Maybe we should define the purpose and application of such a 'base'
pattern first.
Is it for
1. installing a really minimal but somewhat
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 23:30 +0100, Richard Bos wrote:
Op donderdag 18 januari 2007 23:06, schreef Pascal Bleser:
From the discussion up to this point, there were already a few
interesting proposals:
- chroot (that's probably the most minimalistic, not even RPM in there)
- very small
On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:39, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I heard from several sides that the base system of openSUSE 10.2 is a
bit large - and agree and would like to discuss with you what we can
do.
...
I would set target to a basic system that can run and add more packages in a
first
On Thursday 18 January 2007 08:39, S Glasoe wrote:
Could this be the Damn Small openSUSE Linux equivalent at less than ~50MB?
Could this be a Rescue System too? Would it be able to NFS/FTP/HTTP to
openSUSE repositories for the rest of the patterns?
I should have read all posts.
I would vote
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