Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread M9.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jaeger schreef: > jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> >>> Challenges are especially: >>> * Languages and localization >> think at a small enhancement: langage is not as much a goal than keyboard. >> >> I'm french

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread jdd
Andreas Jaeger wrote: jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Challenges are especially: * Languages and localization think at a small enhancement: langage is not as much a goal than keyboard. I'm french. I read english very well, but using QWERTY layout on AZERTY keyboard

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> Challenges are especially: >> * Languages and localization > > think at a small enhancement: langage is not as much a goal than keyboard. > > I'm french. I read english very well, but using QWERTY layout on > AZERTY keyboard is alway

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread jdd
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Challenges are especially: * Languages and localization think at a small enhancement: langage is not as much a goal than keyboard. I'm french. I read english very well, but using QWERTY layout on AZERTY keyboard is always a problem (specially with punctuation chara

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Matthias Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> * Autofs5 instead of autofs4? >> >> autofs5 is a complete rewrite, > >> moving autofs from kernel to userland. > > Uhm, I cannot remember having said that ;-) That's what I understood - which means

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Matthias Koenig
Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Autofs5 instead of autofs4? > > autofs5 is a complete rewrite, > moving autofs from kernel to userland. Uhm, I cannot remember having said that ;-) autofs5 of course keeps the two component structure: User space daemon and kernel module. The

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Here're the minutes from the meeting. * log entries in .changes file Just a simple "Update to version x.y" is not valid but happens far too often. .NEWS file for major changes? Goal: present the changes done to packages to users in a good way We have not found any appropriate solut

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Fri 20 Apr 2007 20:53:50 NZST +1200, Ludwig Nussel wrote: > SUSE Linux uses a default umask of 0022 and creates home directories > with mode 0755. So it does just work (TM). No, I do not view no access control as solution either. What I had in mind was more like any files copied to or created

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Fri 20 Apr 2007 21:55:46 NZST +1200, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: > right click in the icon of the device and select "properties..." there you > can > change mount path, and other stuff. Thanks, didn't know that. And it remembers devices. Can't change gid though. Volker -- Volker Kuhlman

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett
On Friday 20 April 2007 10:26:29 Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > * USB, and pretty much all hotplug, device mount options suck hamsters > with straws. In a galactically big way. That is, there's no way to > change them. Not even with a degree in computer science (ok so hacking > the source(TM) should do i

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Ludwig Nussel
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > * USB, and pretty much all hotplug, device mount options suck hamsters > with straws. In a galactically big way. That is, there's no way to > change them. Huh? With the hal based mount users can do that with just a few mouse clicks. > * I find that I need to share files

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Thu 19 Apr 2007 06:10:05 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > In tomorrow's meeting, we'd like to discuss the following topics. Note > these are just brief remarks, if you do not understand what I mean, ask > me. Please give me your input - and if you have stuff that we should > discuss, pl

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-20 Thread Robert Schiele
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:53:50AM +0200, Ludwig Nussel wrote: > Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > * USB, and pretty much all hotplug, device mount options suck hamsters > > with straws. In a galactically big way. That is, there's no way to > > change them. > > Huh? With the hal based mount users can do

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello, on Donnerstag, 19. April 2007, Klaus Kaempf wrote: > * Christian Boltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Apr 19. 2007 01:13]: > > If it isn't too difficult, I would like to have a supported way to > > upgrade a running system. Please offer both zypper (for > > command-line fans) and YaST2 System Update

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread M9.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Klaus Kaempf schreef: > * Christian Boltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Apr 19. 2007 01:13]: >>> * Updating openSUSE: >>> >>> What options do users have for updating from one release to the >>> next one? Which of these will we support? Some current option

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* Cristian Rodriguez R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Apr 19. 2007 11:23]: > > >it should really become a good > > it is already good but slow and have some glitches and bad error > messages, but it fully functional. ;-) Speed is being worked on. See [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) Klaus -

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Andreas Jaeger escribió: >> 2. it emits "scary"(for users) errors and then seems to try with >> --nodeps and continue anyway. > > Please file a bugreport. filled long way ago, noticed in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216042 > >> 3. it emits equally "scary" "invalid object" messag

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Jaeger
"Cristian Rodriguez R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Klaus Kaempf escribió: > >> A lot of developers here do this, so its not a technical problem per se. > > > I have been upgrading my factory copy with zypper since early alphas and > seems it can manage upgrades preyy much fine except for > > 1.

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Klaus Kaempf escribió: > A lot of developers here do this, so its not a technical problem per se. I have been upgrading my factory copy with zypper since early alphas and seems it can manage upgrades preyy much fine except for 1. it is slow ( well, that's a general problem) 2. it emits "scary"

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* Cristian Rodriguez R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Apr 19. 2007 10:55]: > Andreas Jaeger escribió: > > > I'm under the impression that end users want to know in an easy way why > > the version update happened - and not only that it happened. > > 1. for patches this is already done in the patch changelo

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Andreas Jaeger escribió: > I'm under the impression that end users want to know in an easy way why > the version update happened - and not only that it happened. 1. for patches this is already done in the patch changelog or in the "suse security announce "newsletter" " 2. if you are thinking abo

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* Christian Boltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Apr 19. 2007 01:13]: > > > * Updating openSUSE: > > > > What options do users have for updating from one release to the > > next one? Which of these will we support? Some current options: > > - Boot from CD > > - zypper update > > - System Update >

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Jaeger
"Cristian Rodriguez R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger escribió: > >> * log entries in .changes file >> >> Just a simple "Update to version x.y" is not valid in the packages >> changelog but happens far too often. >> >> Goal: present the changes done to packages to users

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Richard Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Op Wednesday 18 April 2007 20:10:05 schreef Andreas Jaeger: >> * log entries in .changes file >> >>   Just a simple "Update to version x.y" is not valid in the packages >>   changelog but happens far too often.   >>   >>   Goal: present the changes done to

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-18 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Andreas Jaeger escribió: > * log entries in .changes file > > Just a simple "Update to version x.y" is not valid in the packages > changelog but happens far too often. > > Goal: present the changes done to packages to users in a good way and > use that for e.g. Release Notes. > 1.

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-18 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello, on Mittwoch, 18. April 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > * log entries in .changes file > > Just a simple "Update to version x.y" is not valid in the packages > changelog but happens far too often. > > Goal: present the changes done to packages to users in a good way > and use that for e.

Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 18 April 2007 20:10:05 schreef Andreas Jaeger: > * log entries in .changes file > >   Just a simple "Update to version x.y" is not valid in the packages >   changelog but happens far too often.   >   >   Goal: present the changes done to packages to users in a good way and >   use that

[opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Jaeger
In tomorrow's meeting, we'd like to discuss the following topics. Note these are just brief remarks, if you do not understand what I mean, ask me. Please give me your input - and if you have stuff that we should discuss, please tell us as well. * log entries in .changes file Just a simple "