RE: [opensuse-marketing] Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th February and 24th March 2018.

[jimmypierre.rouen.france]

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From: Christian Imhorst [mailto:christian.imho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 23 April 2018 18:19
To: opensuse-marketing@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 
2017, 27th January, 24th February and 24th March 2018.

Hello Jimmy,

thank you very much for your report. I found many things in common
with our Linux User Group in Hannover. It's really helpful exchanging
experiences and to learn from each other. It was fun to read your
experiences. :-)

I am just curious, because of the PC from 2008: Could it be possible
to install Tumbleweed 32 bit with LXQT or XFCE on such a PC and to
turn the Repos afterwards into Leap-Repos? But I really don't know if
this work out on such an old PC. The effort could be too big and a
different Linux-Distri like Debian could be easier to install.

Thank you very much for sharing your experiences.

Have fun,
Christian

Hallo Christian,

Nice reading you.

Old PC have *always* been a pain, especially, those build using spare parts 
from several manufacturers. There is a place in Paris 12th district where 
you've got computer shops selling everything in detail. I used to go there 
every Saturday for bits and pieces *and* also to return material not compatible 
with MS Windows...

Now coming to Linux, the issue is somewhat even more complicated, you end up 
with an hybrid, futuristic and chips from sometimes "seconds", meaning not 
meant to be sold to the public as there are problems already.

Let's take it that you get a mainstream laptop working with XP 32 bit with a 
BIOS dated 2007 or earlier, there are several scenarios offered to you.

1. USB, not a good idea, it's USB 1.x, your nice openSUSE 8 GB key will not 
cope!
2. DVD installation? Well, might start but very tricky, especially when the 
owner of the old box is watching and *will* lose confidence in what you are 
doing to his machine which costed him/her an arm and a leg
3. Network? Forget it, 100 mbits or 10mbits and having to handle/rsync a local 
repository
4. A mixture of 1. 2. 3.? Now, the owner of the box will have an heart attack.
5. Attempted this scenario:
a. Installation of openSUSE 13.1 or 13.2 (dual boot)
b. upgrade to Tumbleweed using this doc: 
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_upgrade
What I can say, it's smooth, but on reboot, X server seldom KO 
or everything is pretty slow, well technically, everything is ok, but in 
practice, you are in for a few hours of debug, if you are lucky.

I think that I will not go further than installing openSUSE 13.1, change root 
password to something like this: %Or]S2![%seZ ^Xd%}l4O,a7l=kmv{YEAWN;f
And lock the user so that we do not need to restart a fresh installation each 
time he/she attempts some exotic Yast/Zypper adventures. No sudo 
opportunities as well.

The ultimate scenario would be if at all possible to get hold of a openSUSE 
13.1 image... as with SuseStudio with your preferred DE XFCE, LXQT... *And* 
install the full works: VNC, whatever you feel that he/she might need for day 
to day use: a kind of SLED in a nutshell.

And now some self-flagellation: Yes, flavors of Debian install like a charm, 
tested Mint as well, Fedora and it's hard to accept that our favorite 
distribution is so difficult to install on some machines, even 64 bit. People 
come in with the idea that they will go back with UBUNTU, you take a lot of 
time explaining the benefits of openSUSE, then you make yourself very small and 
try to explain why there are issues: it's their machine fault. I had a case 
where I personally fought with a webcam on a laptop for hours with openSUSE 
42.2, finally ended buying a USB webcam for a few Euros that I gladly offered 
to the visitor. A few months later, I met him on the train, a friend of his 
visited him and installed UBUNU and the internal webcam worked out of the 
box I had to admit that there is a driver issue.

Best wishes and have a lot of fun :D
Jimmy



2018-04-12 11:22 GMT+02:00 ddemaio <ddem...@suse.de>:
> Thank you Jimmy. An excellent report. Interesting that not many people were
> interested in the Raspberry Pi. Maybe you'll start to see more interest when
> people learn what they can do with them.
>
> v/r
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 09:06 AM, Jimmy PIERRE wrote:
>>
>> Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th
>> February and 24th March 2018.
>>
>> We have been over busy and being the only English speaking person, I
>> will make quite salient and interesting encounters.
>>
>> We always started the day eating lunch together and brief on the
>> activities and designate who does what.
>>
>> The visitors count is constant ~35 people, steady audience.
>>
>> We have the usual visitors and “chance” visitors.
>>
>> Over these five months, we made new 

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th February and 24th March 2018.

[Christian Imhorst]

Hello Jimmy,

thank you very much for your report. I found many things in common
with our Linux User Group in Hannover. It's really helpful exchanging
experiences and to learn from each other. It was fun to read your
experiences. :-)

I am just curious, because of the PC from 2008: Could it be possible
to install Tumbleweed 32 bit with LXQT or XFCE on such a PC and to
turn the Repos afterwards into Leap-Repos? But I really don't know if
this work out on such an old PC. The effort could be too big and a
different Linux-Distri like Debian could be easier to install.

Thank you very much for sharing your experiences.

Have fun,
Christian



2018-04-12 11:22 GMT+02:00 ddemaio :
> Thank you Jimmy. An excellent report. Interesting that not many people were
> interested in the Raspberry Pi. Maybe you'll start to see more interest when
> people learn what they can do with them.
>
> v/r
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 09:06 AM, Jimmy PIERRE wrote:
>>
>> Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th
>> February and 24th March 2018.
>>
>> We have been over busy and being the only English speaking person, I
>> will make quite salient and interesting encounters.
>>
>> We always started the day eating lunch together and brief on the
>> activities and designate who does what.
>>
>> The visitors count is constant ~35 people, steady audience.
>>
>> We have the usual visitors and “chance” visitors.
>>
>> Over these five months, we made new contacts:
>>
>> 1.  A guy popped in and wanted a webmaster, could not help because
>> he had all his requirements in his mind and could not clearly explain
>> what he wanted. I sent him back to the black/white board.
>>
>> 2.  A blind person accompanied by a usual visitor wanted to ‘try’
>> openSUSE. I did not approve a change as his brail system was already
>> using Ubuntu. We do not fix a working computer. He said that he had a
>> spare PC, so I proposed to install openSUSE on the spare PC, next
>> time.
>>
>> 3.  A few visitors discovered our “party” they were from
>> Marseille, we spent time talking about food et al. They had no
>> computers, they were just visiting. They saw what we do and how
>> openSUSE worked though.
>>
>> 4.  The person who came in October finally bought the HP that we
>> recommended. We started installation but when it came to transfer the
>> old files, we had to visit her the next day Sunday to finish the job.
>>
>> 5.  JC came with his wife, he had bought a new motorbike and
>> wanted some changes to his profile pictures on FB and also other
>> Social sites.
>>
>> 6.  I noticed that Raspberry was not something that got the
>> visitors excited.
>>
>> 7.  However, WSL seem for them a Try before ditching Windows. I
>> did explain that we did not recommend that they made the big step
>> without a net. We always go through dual boot step first (just in
>> case).
>>
>> 8.  Our Calc student is getting better and better.
>>
>> 9.  The teacher took a few DVDs for his esteemed students.
>>
>> 10.   There were *two* LUGs in Rouen. The other one seem dormant and
>> his attendees bring their sick computers running UBUNTU for repairs.
>> Change management is of essence. We therefore give an openSUSE DVD to
>> those who can install by themselves and for others, we have to either
>> repair/reinstall UBUNTU or install openSUSE if they readily say *YES*.
>>
>> 11.   From the dissidents of the other LUG, we have strange demands:
>> email not working, hard disk replacement, in a particular lady who
>> wanted to run Linux on a PC of 2008; repeat 2008. We could not because
>> openSUSE Leap is 64 bit.
>>
>> 12.   Another visitor left her PC and I personally took 6 days on and
>> off to repair the beast….
>>
>> 13.   New people wanted information, some came for goodies (could not
>> handle that one), DVD, Linux Magazine, asking for a donation (yes
>> average of 2 people per session)
>>
>> 14.   VLC is still an issue; It seems to me that the right repository
>> (Packman) should be the one readily added so that it is installed
>> smoothly.
>>
>> 15.   We had people attempting to migrate 32 bit 13.1 openSUSE to
>> Tumbleweed 32 bit.
>>
>> 16.   An interesting issue, new faces and old faces not coming back. I
>> met with a lady while doing food shopping last week and in the
>> conversation, I asked her why don’t you come back and see us? Her
>> answer puzzled me: All is working, so no need to visit you. Is it so?
>> Well, we need to celebrate :D
>>
>> 17.   Coming back to Tumbleweed, one of our visitors migrated a 64 bit
>> openSUSE Leap 42.3 to Tumbleweed and had quite a new “distribution” on
>> box. Reinstallation was required and I told him to stop reading
>> articles on the Internet unless he knows what he is doing.
>>
>> 18.   Other clubs came round as usual, but I do not expect them to
>> move to openSUSE, they do have issues, but we are not volunteering to
>> move them around. One of them will come in April 

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th February and 24th March 2018.

[ddemaio]

Thank you Jimmy. An excellent report. Interesting that not many people 
were interested in the Raspberry Pi. Maybe you'll start to see more 
interest when people learn what they can do with them.


v/r

Doug


On 04/10/2018 09:06 AM, Jimmy PIERRE wrote:

Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th
February and 24th March 2018.

We have been over busy and being the only English speaking person, I
will make quite salient and interesting encounters.

We always started the day eating lunch together and brief on the
activities and designate who does what.

The visitors count is constant ~35 people, steady audience.

We have the usual visitors and “chance” visitors.

Over these five months, we made new contacts:

1.  A guy popped in and wanted a webmaster, could not help because
he had all his requirements in his mind and could not clearly explain
what he wanted. I sent him back to the black/white board.

2.  A blind person accompanied by a usual visitor wanted to ‘try’
openSUSE. I did not approve a change as his brail system was already
using Ubuntu. We do not fix a working computer. He said that he had a
spare PC, so I proposed to install openSUSE on the spare PC, next
time.

3.  A few visitors discovered our “party” they were from
Marseille, we spent time talking about food et al. They had no
computers, they were just visiting. They saw what we do and how
openSUSE worked though.

4.  The person who came in October finally bought the HP that we
recommended. We started installation but when it came to transfer the
old files, we had to visit her the next day Sunday to finish the job.

5.  JC came with his wife, he had bought a new motorbike and
wanted some changes to his profile pictures on FB and also other
Social sites.

6.  I noticed that Raspberry was not something that got the
visitors excited.

7.  However, WSL seem for them a Try before ditching Windows. I
did explain that we did not recommend that they made the big step
without a net. We always go through dual boot step first (just in
case).

8.  Our Calc student is getting better and better.

9.  The teacher took a few DVDs for his esteemed students.

10.   There were *two* LUGs in Rouen. The other one seem dormant and
his attendees bring their sick computers running UBUNTU for repairs.
Change management is of essence. We therefore give an openSUSE DVD to
those who can install by themselves and for others, we have to either
repair/reinstall UBUNTU or install openSUSE if they readily say *YES*.

11.   From the dissidents of the other LUG, we have strange demands:
email not working, hard disk replacement, in a particular lady who
wanted to run Linux on a PC of 2008; repeat 2008. We could not because
openSUSE Leap is 64 bit.

12.   Another visitor left her PC and I personally took 6 days on and
off to repair the beast….

13.   New people wanted information, some came for goodies (could not
handle that one), DVD, Linux Magazine, asking for a donation (yes
average of 2 people per session)

14.   VLC is still an issue; It seems to me that the right repository
(Packman) should be the one readily added so that it is installed
smoothly.

15.   We had people attempting to migrate 32 bit 13.1 openSUSE to
Tumbleweed 32 bit.

16.   An interesting issue, new faces and old faces not coming back. I
met with a lady while doing food shopping last week and in the
conversation, I asked her why don’t you come back and see us? Her
answer puzzled me: All is working, so no need to visit you. Is it so?
Well, we need to celebrate :D

17.   Coming back to Tumbleweed, one of our visitors migrated a 64 bit
openSUSE Leap 42.3 to Tumbleweed and had quite a new “distribution” on
box. Reinstallation was required and I told him to stop reading
articles on the Internet unless he knows what he is doing.

18.   Other clubs came round as usual, but I do not expect them to
move to openSUSE, they do have issues, but we are not volunteering to
move them around. One of them will come in April with his laptop; he
has lost the wireless module…..

19.   There is a project manager who came on two different dates, he
sort of mingled but he is not technical.

20.   Our Greek lady is back, latest episode, she has viruses on 7 USB
keys. I have taken them home for cleaning.

21.   We also noticed a new comer who says he comes from Mascarenes
area in the Indian Ocean, we started to discuss on fauna and recipes
before getting into the nitty gritty. He had a quite old computer aged
11 years and never used Linux before.

22.   The new challenge is to get openSUSE and SUSE working on WSL
*with* a DE, XFCE will be nice. I successfully installed XFCE on Kali,
UBUNTU and Debian. I personally demonstrated WSL and meanwhile at home
succeeded in installing xfce on SUSE and openSUSE LEAP.

23.   Linux Presentation Day is back 28th April (
https://nui.fr/blog/linux-presentation-day-2018-a-rouen-normandie/ ),
if there are some spare Linux Magazines and some 

[opensuse-marketing] Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th February and 24th March 2018.

[Jimmy PIERRE]

Report on SFD 25th November, 16th December 2017, 27th January, 24th
February and 24th March 2018.

We have been over busy and being the only English speaking person, I
will make quite salient and interesting encounters.

We always started the day eating lunch together and brief on the
activities and designate who does what.

The visitors count is constant ~35 people, steady audience.

We have the usual visitors and “chance” visitors.

Over these five months, we made new contacts:

1.  A guy popped in and wanted a webmaster, could not help because
he had all his requirements in his mind and could not clearly explain
what he wanted. I sent him back to the black/white board.

2.  A blind person accompanied by a usual visitor wanted to ‘try’
openSUSE. I did not approve a change as his brail system was already
using Ubuntu. We do not fix a working computer. He said that he had a
spare PC, so I proposed to install openSUSE on the spare PC, next
time.

3.  A few visitors discovered our “party” they were from
Marseille, we spent time talking about food et al. They had no
computers, they were just visiting. They saw what we do and how
openSUSE worked though.

4.  The person who came in October finally bought the HP that we
recommended. We started installation but when it came to transfer the
old files, we had to visit her the next day Sunday to finish the job.

5.  JC came with his wife, he had bought a new motorbike and
wanted some changes to his profile pictures on FB and also other
Social sites.

6.  I noticed that Raspberry was not something that got the
visitors excited.

7.  However, WSL seem for them a Try before ditching Windows. I
did explain that we did not recommend that they made the big step
without a net. We always go through dual boot step first (just in
case).

8.  Our Calc student is getting better and better.

9.  The teacher took a few DVDs for his esteemed students.

10.   There were *two* LUGs in Rouen. The other one seem dormant and
his attendees bring their sick computers running UBUNTU for repairs.
Change management is of essence. We therefore give an openSUSE DVD to
those who can install by themselves and for others, we have to either
repair/reinstall UBUNTU or install openSUSE if they readily say *YES*.

11.   From the dissidents of the other LUG, we have strange demands:
email not working, hard disk replacement, in a particular lady who
wanted to run Linux on a PC of 2008; repeat 2008. We could not because
openSUSE Leap is 64 bit.

12.   Another visitor left her PC and I personally took 6 days on and
off to repair the beast….

13.   New people wanted information, some came for goodies (could not
handle that one), DVD, Linux Magazine, asking for a donation (yes
average of 2 people per session)

14.   VLC is still an issue; It seems to me that the right repository
(Packman) should be the one readily added so that it is installed
smoothly.

15.   We had people attempting to migrate 32 bit 13.1 openSUSE to
Tumbleweed 32 bit.

16.   An interesting issue, new faces and old faces not coming back. I
met with a lady while doing food shopping last week and in the
conversation, I asked her why don’t you come back and see us? Her
answer puzzled me: All is working, so no need to visit you. Is it so?
Well, we need to celebrate :D

17.   Coming back to Tumbleweed, one of our visitors migrated a 64 bit
openSUSE Leap 42.3 to Tumbleweed and had quite a new “distribution” on
box. Reinstallation was required and I told him to stop reading
articles on the Internet unless he knows what he is doing.

18.   Other clubs came round as usual, but I do not expect them to
move to openSUSE, they do have issues, but we are not volunteering to
move them around. One of them will come in April with his laptop; he
has lost the wireless module…..

19.   There is a project manager who came on two different dates, he
sort of mingled but he is not technical.

20.   Our Greek lady is back, latest episode, she has viruses on 7 USB
keys. I have taken them home for cleaning.

21.   We also noticed a new comer who says he comes from Mascarenes
area in the Indian Ocean, we started to discuss on fauna and recipes
before getting into the nitty gritty. He had a quite old computer aged
11 years and never used Linux before.

22.   The new challenge is to get openSUSE and SUSE working on WSL
*with* a DE, XFCE will be nice. I successfully installed XFCE on Kali,
UBUNTU and Debian. I personally demonstrated WSL and meanwhile at home
succeeded in installing xfce on SUSE and openSUSE LEAP.

23.   Linux Presentation Day is back 28th April (
https://nui.fr/blog/linux-presentation-day-2018-a-rouen-normandie/ ),
if there are some spare Linux Magazines and some bits and pieces, I
would be so ever grateful.

Four more events left before Summer holidays.

We will have more fun :D

Best,
Jimmy
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