Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Orion is gone now. But if someone wants to add it again, he might consider doing that as part of kirkwood instead of bumping the old orion to 4.19. Best Adrian > -Original Message- > From: Raylynn Knight [mailto:raykni...@me.com] > Sent: Freitag, 10. Januar 2020 21:05 > To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de > Cc: Hauke Mehrtens ; OpenWrt Development List > ; Koen Vandeputte > > Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > > Ideally orion and kirkwood should be merged as the same kernel can support > both. > > Ray Knight > > > > On Jan 5, 2020, at 8:43 AM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > > > > > >> > >>>>>> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi Hauke, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: > >>>>>>>> * ar7 > >>>>>>>> * ixp4xx > >>>>>>>> * orion > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which > >>>>>>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 > >>>>>>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do > >>>>>> not have the hardware, I just made them compile. > >>>>> > >>>>> Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've > >>>>> just > >>> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a > >>> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. > >>> > >>> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. > >>> > >>> Hauke > >> > >> I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as > >> well > >> after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master (even > >> without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? > >> > > > > I've prepared a staging branch for that (completely untested at the moment): > > > https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/adrian.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads > /remove49 > > > > For orion, I have some grep matches in uboot-kirkwood and > kernel/linux/modules/usb.mk I'm not sure about, so I haven't touched those > yet. > > > > Best > > > > Adrian > > ___ > > openwrt-devel mailing list > > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
The sender domain has a DMARC Reject/Quarantine policy which disallows sending mailing list messages using the original "From" header. To mitigate this problem, the original message has been wrapped automatically by the mailing list software.--- Begin Message --- Ideally orion and kirkwood should be merged as the same kernel can support both. Ray Knight > On Jan 5, 2020, at 8:43 AM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > > >> >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >>> Hi Hauke, >>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: * ar7 * ixp4xx * orion >>> >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >>> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >>> >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) >> >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do >> not have the hardware, I just made them compile. > > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've > just >>> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a >>> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. >>> >>> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. >>> >>> Hauke >> >> I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as well >> after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master (even >> without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? >> > > I've prepared a staging branch for that (completely untested at the moment): > https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/adrian.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/remove49 > > For orion, I have some grep matches in uboot-kirkwood and > kernel/linux/modules/usb.mk I'm not sure about, so I haven't touched those > yet. > > Best > > Adrian > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel --- End Message --- ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
On 1/5/20 5:37 PM, Piotr Dymacz wrote: > Hi Adrian, Tom, > > On 05.01.2020 16:57, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Tom Psyborg [mailto:pozega.tomis...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 16:33 >>> To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de >>> Cc: Hauke Mehrtens ; OpenWrt Development List >>> ; Koen Vandeputte >>> >>> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >>> >>> On 05/01/2020, m...@adrianschmutzler.de >>> wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> >> -Original Message- >>> >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- >>> boun...@lists.openwrt.org] >>> >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >>> >> Sent: Samstag, 4. Januar 2020 18:26 >>> >> To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de; 'OpenWrt Development List' >> >> de...@lists.openwrt.org> >>> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >>> >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >>> >> >>> >> On 1/3/20 1:53 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: >>> >> > Hi Hauke, >>> >> > >>> >> >> -Original Message- >>> >> >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- >>> >> boun...@lists.openwrt.org] >>> >> >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >>> >> >> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 >>> >> >> To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt >>> >> >> Development List' >>> >> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >>> >> >>> Hi Hauke, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >>> >> >>>> * ar7 >>> >> >>>> * ixp4xx >>> >> >>>> * orion >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which >>> >> >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >>> >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I >>> >> >> do not have the hardware, I just made them compile. >>> >> > >>> >> > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've >>> >> > just >>> >> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a >>> >> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. >>> >> >>> >> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. >>> >> >>> >> Hauke >>> > >>> > I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support >>> > as well after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in >>> > master (even without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? >>> > >>> > Best >>> > >>> > Adrian >>> > >>> >>> This LTS version will receive updates for another 3 years, why do you >>> want to >>> remove it? >> >> Next release will be kernel 4.19 or 5.4 only, and the respective >> targets are still at 4.9. So, they haven't been included in 19.07 >> (4.14 only) and won't be included in future releases unless someone >> updates them. At the moment, it looks like nobody will update them. >> >> So, we plan to remove these targets now, as they are effectively >> unmaintained. Those who still want to use them can have the 4.9 >> version in 18.06 stable branch until that one is EOL. >> >> In both cases, updating or removing the targets, there will be no need >> to keep kernel support if no targets are left. Thus, we can save time >> for maintaining that kernel version. > > They can also be moved here: > https://github.com/openwrt/targets > As we will remove generic kernel 4.9 support from master this feed will anyway not work out of the box. If someone wants to add the targets again, he can revert the commit which removed it and start from there. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
On 1/7/20 12:32 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > Hi Hauke, > >> -Original Message- >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] On >> Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >> Sent: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 14:54 >> To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de; 'OpenWrt Development List' > de...@lists.openwrt.org> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >> >> On 1/5/20 2:43 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Hauke, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >>>>>>>>> * ar7 >>>>>>>>> * ixp4xx >>>>>>>>> * orion >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which >>>>>>>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >>>>>>>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do >>>>>>> not have the hardware, I just made them compile. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've >>>>>> just >>>>> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a >>>>> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. >>>>> >>>>> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. >>>>> >>>>> Hauke >>>> >>>> I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as >>>> well >>>> after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master >>>> (even >>>> without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? >> >> No, it does not help me to have kernel 4.9 is master for maintaining 18.06. >> >>> I've prepared a staging branch for that (completely untested at the >>> moment): >>> >> https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/adrian.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads >> /remove49 >> >> Thank you. >> >> Before applying this please send this to the public mailing list. >> >>> For orion, I have some grep matches in uboot-kirkwood and >>> kernel/linux/modules/usb.mk I'm not sure about, so I haven't touched those >>> yet. >> >> The orion part in usb.mk is also used by mvebu: >> https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_EHCI_HCD_ORION.html >> >> uboot-kirkwood probably also uses some orion parts in the kirkwood target. >> >> I think kmod-crypto-iv is empty now. >> >> There are also some checks in include/netfilter.mk which can be removed now. >> >> This file can also be removed: >> package/kernel/linux/files/sysctl-tcp-bbr-k4_9.conf >> >> >> Hauke > > If we remove the targets anyway, I wonder whether we shouldn't add your two > 4.14 patchsets to master directly beforehand. > That way, we would have them in master history, where they would be easier to > find for someone wanting to use the target for whatever reason. (I'd add an > explanation of the situation to the commit message.) Still, having removed > the target afterwards, no harm would be caused by the patches being untested. > This would preserve your work there to someone looking for it, while not > affecting working master in any way and without much additional work. > > What do you think? Sounds good. I do not think they will be added again because the hardware is very only now. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi Hauke, > -Original Message- > From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] On > Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens > Sent: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 14:54 > To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de; 'OpenWrt Development List' de...@lists.openwrt.org> > Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' > Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > > On 1/5/20 2:43 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > >>>>> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > >>>>>> Hi Hauke, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: > >>>>>>> * ar7 > >>>>>>> * ixp4xx > >>>>>>> * orion > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which > >>>>>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 > >>>>>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do > >>>>> not have the hardware, I just made them compile. > >>>> > >>>> Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've > >>>> just > >>> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a > >>> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. > >>> > >>> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. > >>> > >>> Hauke > >> > >> I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as > >> well > >> after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master > >> (even > >> without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? > > No, it does not help me to have kernel 4.9 is master for maintaining 18.06. > > > I've prepared a staging branch for that (completely untested at the > > moment): > > > https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/adrian.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads > /remove49 > > Thank you. > > Before applying this please send this to the public mailing list. > > > For orion, I have some grep matches in uboot-kirkwood and > > kernel/linux/modules/usb.mk I'm not sure about, so I haven't touched those > > yet. > > The orion part in usb.mk is also used by mvebu: > https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_EHCI_HCD_ORION.html > > uboot-kirkwood probably also uses some orion parts in the kirkwood target. > > I think kmod-crypto-iv is empty now. > > There are also some checks in include/netfilter.mk which can be removed now. > > This file can also be removed: > package/kernel/linux/files/sysctl-tcp-bbr-k4_9.conf > > > Hauke If we remove the targets anyway, I wonder whether we shouldn't add your two 4.14 patchsets to master directly beforehand. That way, we would have them in master history, where they would be easier to find for someone wanting to use the target for whatever reason. (I'd add an explanation of the situation to the commit message.) Still, having removed the target afterwards, no harm would be caused by the patches being untested. This would preserve your work there to someone looking for it, while not affecting working master in any way and without much additional work. What do you think? Best Adrian openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi Adrian, Tom, On 05.01.2020 16:57, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: -Original Message- From: Tom Psyborg [mailto:pozega.tomis...@gmail.com] Sent: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 16:33 To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de Cc: Hauke Mehrtens ; OpenWrt Development List ; Koen Vandeputte Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X On 05/01/2020, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > Hi, > >> -Original Message- >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- boun...@lists.openwrt.org] >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >> Sent: Samstag, 4. Januar 2020 18:26 >> To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de; 'OpenWrt Development List' > de...@lists.openwrt.org> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >> >> On 1/3/20 1:53 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: >> > Hi Hauke, >> > >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- >> boun...@lists.openwrt.org] >> >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >> >> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 >> >> To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt >> >> Development List' >> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >> >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >> >> >> >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >> >>> Hi Hauke, >> >>> >> >>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >> >>>> * ar7 >> >>>> * ixp4xx >> >>>> * orion >> >>> >> >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which >> >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >> >>> >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >> >>> >> >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) >> >> >> >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I >> >> do not have the hardware, I just made them compile. >> > >> > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've >> > just >> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a >> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. >> >> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. >> >> Hauke > > I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support > as well after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in > master (even without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? > > Best > > Adrian > This LTS version will receive updates for another 3 years, why do you want to remove it? Next release will be kernel 4.19 or 5.4 only, and the respective targets are still at 4.9. So, they haven't been included in 19.07 (4.14 only) and won't be included in future releases unless someone updates them. At the moment, it looks like nobody will update them. So, we plan to remove these targets now, as they are effectively unmaintained. Those who still want to use them can have the 4.9 version in 18.06 stable branch until that one is EOL. In both cases, updating or removing the targets, there will be no need to keep kernel support if no targets are left. Thus, we can save time for maintaining that kernel version. They can also be moved here: https://github.com/openwrt/targets -- Cheers, Piotr Best Adrian ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
> -Original Message- > From: Tom Psyborg [mailto:pozega.tomis...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 16:33 > To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de > Cc: Hauke Mehrtens ; OpenWrt Development List > ; Koen Vandeputte > > Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > > On 05/01/2020, m...@adrianschmutzler.de > wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- > boun...@lists.openwrt.org] > >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens > >> Sent: Samstag, 4. Januar 2020 18:26 > >> To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de; 'OpenWrt Development List' >> de...@lists.openwrt.org> > >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' > >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > >> > >> On 1/3/20 1:53 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > >> > Hi Hauke, > >> > > >> >> -Original Message- > >> >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- > >> boun...@lists.openwrt.org] > >> >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens > >> >> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 > >> >> To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt > >> >> Development List' > >> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' > >> >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > >> >> > >> >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > >> >>> Hi Hauke, > >> >>> > >> >>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: > >> >>>> * ar7 > >> >>>> * ixp4xx > >> >>>> * orion > >> >>> > >> >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which > >> >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: > >> >>> > >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 > >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 > >> >>> > >> >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > >> >> > >> >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I > >> >> do not have the hardware, I just made them compile. > >> > > >> > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've > >> > just > >> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a > >> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. > >> > >> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. > >> > >> Hauke > > > > I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support > > as well after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in > > master (even without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? > > > > Best > > > > Adrian > > > > This LTS version will receive updates for another 3 years, why do you want to > remove it? Next release will be kernel 4.19 or 5.4 only, and the respective targets are still at 4.9. So, they haven't been included in 19.07 (4.14 only) and won't be included in future releases unless someone updates them. At the moment, it looks like nobody will update them. So, we plan to remove these targets now, as they are effectively unmaintained. Those who still want to use them can have the 4.9 version in 18.06 stable branch until that one is EOL. In both cases, updating or removing the targets, there will be no need to keep kernel support if no targets are left. Thus, we can save time for maintaining that kernel version. Best Adrian openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
On 05/01/2020, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > Hi, > >> -Original Message- >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >> Sent: Samstag, 4. Januar 2020 18:26 >> To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de; 'OpenWrt Development List' > de...@lists.openwrt.org> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >> >> On 1/3/20 1:53 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: >> > Hi Hauke, >> > >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- >> boun...@lists.openwrt.org] >> >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >> >> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 >> >> To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt >> >> Development List' >> >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >> >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >> >> >> >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >> >>> Hi Hauke, >> >>> >> >>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >> >>>> * ar7 >> >>>> * ixp4xx >> >>>> * orion >> >>> >> >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which >> >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >> >>> >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >> >>> >> >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) >> >> >> >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do >> >> not have the hardware, I just made them compile. >> > >> > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've just >> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a >> little >> more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. >> >> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. >> >> Hauke > > I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as well > after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master (even > without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? > > Best > > Adrian > This LTS version will receive updates for another 3 years, why do you want to remove it? ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
On 1/5/20 2:43 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >> Hi Hauke, >> >>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >>> * ar7 >>> * ixp4xx >>> * orion >> >> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which >> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >> >> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >> >> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > > Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do > not have the hardware, I just made them compile. Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've just >>> marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a >>> little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. >>> >>> Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. >>> >>> Hauke >> >> I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as well >> after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master (even >> without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? No, it does not help me to have kernel 4.9 is master for maintaining 18.06. > I've prepared a staging branch for that (completely untested at the moment): > https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/adrian.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/remove49 Thank you. Before applying this please send this to the public mailing list. > For orion, I have some grep matches in uboot-kirkwood and > kernel/linux/modules/usb.mk I'm not sure about, so I haven't touched those > yet. The orion part in usb.mk is also used by mvebu: https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_EHCI_HCD_ORION.html uboot-kirkwood probably also uses some orion parts in the kirkwood target. I think kmod-crypto-iv is empty now. There are also some checks in include/netfilter.mk which can be removed now. This file can also be removed: package/kernel/linux/files/sysctl-tcp-bbr-k4_9.conf Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
> > >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > > >>> Hi Hauke, > > >>> > > The following are still on kernel 4.9: > > * ar7 > > * ixp4xx > > * orion > > >>> > > >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which > > >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: > > >>> > > >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 > > >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 > > >>> > > >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > > >> > > >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do > > >> not have the hardware, I just made them compile. > > > > > > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've > > > just > > marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a > > little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. > > > > Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. > > > > Hauke > > I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as well > after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master (even > without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? > I've prepared a staging branch for that (completely untested at the moment): https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/adrian.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/remove49 For orion, I have some grep matches in uboot-kirkwood and kernel/linux/modules/usb.mk I'm not sure about, so I haven't touched those yet. Best Adrian openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] > On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens > Sent: Samstag, 4. Januar 2020 18:26 > To: m...@adrianschmutzler.de; 'OpenWrt Development List' de...@lists.openwrt.org> > Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' > Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > > On 1/3/20 1:53 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > > Hi Hauke, > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel- > boun...@lists.openwrt.org] > >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens > >> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 > >> To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt > >> Development List' > >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' > >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > >> > >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > >>> Hi Hauke, > >>> > >>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: > >>>> * ar7 > >>>> * ixp4xx > >>>> * orion > >>> > >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which > >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: > >>> > >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 > >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 > >>> > >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > >> > >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do > >> not have the hardware, I just made them compile. > > > > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've just > marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a little > more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. > > Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. > > Hauke I think it's time to remove the three targets and kernel 4.9 support as well after the release has been made. Or does keeping kernel 4.9 in master (even without targets) make it easier to support 18.06 branch? Best Adrian openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
On 1/3/20 1:53 PM, m...@adrianschmutzler.de wrote: > Hi Hauke, > >> -Original Message- >> From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] >> On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens >> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 >> To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt Development >> List' >> Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' >> Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X >> >> On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >>> Hi Hauke, >>> >>>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >>>> * ar7 >>>> * ixp4xx >>>> * orion >>> >>> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which >>> claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >>> >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >>> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >>> >>> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) >> >> Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do not >> have the hardware, I just made them compile. > > Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've just marked > the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a little more > overview there. I hope that's okay for you. Yes fine with me, we should probably drop these targets soon. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi Hauke, > -Original Message- > From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] > On Behalf Of Hauke Mehrtens > Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 > To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt Development > List' > Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' > Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > > On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > > Hi Hauke, > > > >> The following are still on kernel 4.9: > >> * ar7 > >> * ixp4xx > >> * orion > > > > There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which > > claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: > > > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 > > > > I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > > Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do not > have the hardware, I just made them compile. Since there was no response of any kind from a third party, I've just marked the two patchsets as "Deferred" in the patchwork, so we get a little more overview there. I hope that's okay for you. Best Adrian > > I would just remove these 3 targets soon. > > Hauke > openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
> From: Hauke Mehrtens [mailto:ha...@hauke-m.de] > Sent: Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 19:42 > To: Adrian Schmutzler ; 'OpenWrt Development List' > > Cc: 'Koen Vandeputte' > Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X > > On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: >> Hi Hauke, >> >>> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >>> * ar7 >>> * ixp4xx >>> * orion >> >> There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which claim to >> bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: >> >> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 >> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 >> >> I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) > Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do not > have the hardware, I just made them compile. > I would just remove these 3 targets soon. > Hauke Ah, okay, you didn't explicitly mention that in the submitted patches, so I was unsure about their status. Maybe it makes sense to wait until e.g. 2 weeks after the 19.07.0 release before removing them, as then a lot of people might realize that the targets are missing there. (Although one might argue that this will only delay their final death.) However, based on the git log there have not been any target-specific changes for at least two years. So, I'm fine with whatever time you choose. (We could as well wait for the 20.xx branching and then just move it to targets feed together with old ar71xx.) Best Adrian openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi Hauke, On 28.11.2019 19:41, Hauke Mehrtens wrote: On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: Hi Hauke, The following are still on kernel 4.9: * ar7 * ixp4xx * orion There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do not have the hardware, I just made them compile. I would just remove these 3 targets soon. Wouldn't be better to move them to 'targets' feed? -- Cheers, Piotr ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
On 11/28/19 7:11 PM, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: > Hi Hauke, > >> The following are still on kernel 4.9: >> * ar7 >> * ixp4xx >> * orion > > There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which claim to > bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 > > I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) Nobody reported that they are working so I never applied them. I do not have the hardware, I just made them compile. I would just remove these 3 targets soon. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi Hauke, > The following are still on kernel 4.9: > * ar7 > * ixp4xx > * orion There are patches (actually from you, May 2019) on the list which claim to bump ar7 and orion to 4.14: https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107337 https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/list/?series=107339 I haven't looked closer, just in case you forgot about them ;-) Best Adrian openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Adrian Schmutzler [2019-11-28 15:40:32]: > have mixed kernel releases again This is not an option, is it? > or would have to throw out a lot of targets for each of the stable branches > (which might be always the same set of less-cared targets)? If the target is obsolete and/or orphaned, what could we do instead? I mean, if there is no interest to rebase the patches to the next kernel version and at least compile test them (not even dare to run test it), whats the point of claiming "support" for this device? It would be two step process, source-only in one release (users notice this very quickly, perhaps someone manage to rebase it), then remove it in the next release. > This might also have negative impact on the "slow" targets, as they might > quickly end up with no supported stable branch anymore (unless there are > mixed-kernel releases again). Flash size is limiting factor, not the speed. Take a look at 4/32 state, it's still somehow doable to support some of those devices even with 4.19 and maybe 5.4 kernels, but there's no interest to solve that in maintainable and acceptable way. In other words, obsolete/orphaned devices. -- ynezz ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi, > I think, that it would make more sense to make a releasing process clear, make > it predictable. So perhaps rather start voting about that? So we could came to > some conclusion, release rules? That way we don't need to argue about this > anymore, it would be set in the stone, unless changed by another voting in the > future if we find out, that it doesn't work well. > > So this is my view for the start: > > * new release is branched automatically, 1st day of month, Y months after the >previous release > * release.0-rc1 images are being built immediately, automatically > * release.0-rc2 images + 14 days since branch, automatically > * release.0-rc3 images + 30 days since branch, automatically > * final release.0 images + 45 days since branch, automatically > * point release every 45 days, automatically > * point release immediately in case of serious issues like bricked >device, security fixes etc. I'm not in principle against this, but wouldn't that mean that we either have mixed kernel releases again or would have to throw out a lot of targets for each of the stable branches (which might be always the same set of less-cared targets)? > > + claim official support only for one previous release, any other option >would need some kind of funding in order to have dedicated resources for > that >level of support, otherwise we steal this resources from other parts of the >project (one of still unresolved topics from Hamburg) This might also have negative impact on the "slow" targets, as they might quickly end up with no supported stable branch anymore (unless there are mixed-kernel releases again). Just wanted to add that perspective. Best Adrian openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hauke Mehrtens [2019-11-28 00:42:53]: Hi, > planned to do the next release in January 2020 which is soon. This 20.x > release is planned to use kernel 4.19 only. that's my understanding as well. > Based on these numbers it could be already hard to get everything to > 4.19 till beginning of January, at least we should start switching the > default to kernel 4.19 for every target very soon to get the needed testing. Is the project somehow obliged to get everything to the next kernel? I'm afraid, that you'll write the same in a few months, just replacing 4.19 with 5.4. The targets people care about would be converted, the rest would be in the similar state like 4.19 is today. > I would suggest to leave kernel 4.19 out and directly go to kernel 5.4. Like make a release without 4.19? This doesn't seem right to me. Why should anyone care about 5.4 if it might be skipped as well? > Then we would target April for the release and hopefully get it in > Summer. ;-) To me it seems, that we should probably discuss releases, again :-) From Hamburg: * future releases now every 6 months, at least a RC So after 19.07 that's 20.01, right? Ok, it was decission made by a certain group of people attending that meeting, but I didn't registered any negative feedback about this topic. I think, that with 6 month release cycle we shouldn't delay release just because it's missing feature Y (important to certain circles) or having unfixed bug Z (important to other circles). The only show stopper should be a security issue. Perhaps 6 months is too ambitious release cadence, considering the resources on hand and higher release quality bar? On the other hand 12 months release cycle makes backports painful. So maybe something in between, 9 months would work better? > Should I start a vote on this topic? I think, that it would make more sense to make a releasing process clear, make it predictable. So perhaps rather start voting about that? So we could came to some conclusion, release rules? That way we don't need to argue about this anymore, it would be set in the stone, unless changed by another voting in the future if we find out, that it doesn't work well. So this is my view for the start: * new release is branched automatically, 1st day of month, Y months after the previous release * release.0-rc1 images are being built immediately, automatically * release.0-rc2 images + 14 days since branch, automatically * release.0-rc3 images + 30 days since branch, automatically * final release.0 images + 45 days since branch, automatically * point release every 45 days, automatically * point release immediately in case of serious issues like bricked device, security fixes etc. + claim official support only for one previous release, any other option would need some kind of funding in order to have dedicated resources for that level of support, otherwise we steal this resources from other parts of the project (one of still unresolved topics from Hamburg) Yes, I prefer predictability even if that would mean, that release.0 has some rough edges for certain circles. I mean, I'm not able to use kernel 5.4 on my laptop as trackpad doesnt work, it's noticeably slower then 5.3.13, but I'm fine with that, because I expect it with every fresh release.0. It's impossible to please everyone :-) -- ynezz ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi Hauke, I agree with aiming for a kernel 5.4 based release in April. If we decide to go this route, we should also set a fixed feature freeze date (maybe end of March?) on which we branch off and drop targets not ported by then. ~ Jo ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
[OpenWrt-Devel] Kernel version for OpenWrt 20.X
Hi, We had a discussion about adding kernel 5.4 support to OpenWrt master here: https://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2019-October/019610.html and Koen is working on it, as far as I know. The final OpenWrt 19.07 release is getting closer and we initially planned to do the next release in January 2020 which is soon. This 20.x release is planned to use kernel 4.19 only. Currently the following targets are on kernel 4.19: * apm821xx * armvirt * ath79 * brcm2708 * cns3xxx * gemini * imx6 * ipq40xx * lantiq * malta * mpc85xx * mvebu * mxs * octeon * omap * sunxi * tegra * x86 * zynq The following targets are still on kernel 4.14: * ar71xx Should be replaced by ath79 * arc770 * archs38 A patch was send to the mailing list some time ago * at91 * ath25 * bcm53xx 4.19 patches in master * brcm47xx 4.19 patches in master * brcm63xx 4.19 patches in master * ipq806x https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/2472 * kirkwood 4.19 patches in master * layerscape * mediatek 4.19 patches in master mt7629 subtarget uses kernel 4.19 * octeontx * oxnas * pistachio * ramips https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/2385 * rb532 * samsung * uml The following are still on kernel 4.9: * ar7 * ixp4xx * orion I assume kernel 4.19 and 5.4 will get support for about 6 years because they are used in Android, so I do not see this as a problem for any version. Currently kernel.org lists much shorter support times. Based on these numbers it could be already hard to get everything to 4.19 till beginning of January, at least we should start switching the default to kernel 4.19 for every target very soon to get the needed testing. I would suggest to leave kernel 4.19 out and directly go to kernel 5.4. Then we would target April for the release and hopefully get it in Summer. ;-) This would still be enough time to make everything stable with kernel 5.4 and port most of the targets. As we had kernel 4.19 support in OpenWrt for a longer time and some development was already happening on that while all targets in master still used kernel 4.14 before the 19.07 branch. When you also work on the upstream kernel it is much easier when we are close to upstream and not more than one year behind upstream. To be honest, I do not see a OpenWrt 20.01 release in January based on the current ongoing 19.07 release and the current master state. Should I start a vote on this topic? Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
