Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Is Linksys/Belkin lying (again) about being open source (WRT1200AC router) ?
Fernando Frediani fhfredi...@gmail.com writes: I'm not entirely sure of the status of WRT1200AC, but if there is nothing here in OpenWRT and nothing else much can be found on the web they are once again lying. They are publishing intentions as if it was something that was already done and consolidated, ready for any buyer to enjoy. If there is something going on between them and OpenWRT we are not aware, at least not via this list. You should probably take a closer look at these two emails. Preferably in your own list archive if you have one, as the pipermail archive is missing some of the more interesting details. Like who Marvell chose to CC the driver announcement to, and which email address they used https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2014-December/030229.html https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-January/030526.html I might be reading too much between the lines here, but this looks very promising to me. Yes, I also regularily get frustrated with marketing people overselling features, and selling them before they are ready. But you should realize that Belkin is not the only vendor doing that. The really annoying thing with the WRTs is that they oversell a feature we care so deeply about - opensource support. But I believe we should appreciate the fact that the marketing people find this feature interesting, and do our best to keep it that way. And just realize that overselling is part of the game. In any case, we are much better off if this list is used for technical discussions instead of vendor bashing. Bjørn (with absolutely no shares in neither Belkin, Marvell nor OpenWRT) ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Is Linksys/Belkin lying (again) about being open source (WRT1200AC router) ?
Hi, I don't get this discussion, few days Imre Kaloz admitted he will work on WRT1200AC so this means that Belkin reached out to him... Regards, Jacek On 16.01.2015 12:45, Bjørn Mork wrote: Fernando Frediani fhfredi...@gmail.com writes: I'm not entirely sure of the status of WRT1200AC, but if there is nothing here in OpenWRT and nothing else much can be found on the web they are once again lying. They are publishing intentions as if it was something that was already done and consolidated, ready for any buyer to enjoy. If there is something going on between them and OpenWRT we are not aware, at least not via this list. You should probably take a closer look at these two emails. Preferably in your own list archive if you have one, as the pipermail archive is missing some of the more interesting details. Like who Marvell chose to CC the driver announcement to, and which email address they used https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2014-December/030229.html https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-January/030526.html I might be reading too much between the lines here, but this looks very promising to me. Yes, I also regularily get frustrated with marketing people overselling features, and selling them before they are ready. But you should realize that Belkin is not the only vendor doing that. The really annoying thing with the WRTs is that they oversell a feature we care so deeply about - opensource support. But I believe we should appreciate the fact that the marketing people find this feature interesting, and do our best to keep it that way. And just realize that overselling is part of the game. In any case, we are much better off if this list is used for technical discussions instead of vendor bashing. Bjørn (with absolutely no shares in neither Belkin, Marvell nor OpenWRT) ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Is Linksys/Belkin lying (again) about being open source (WRT1200AC router) ?
Jacek Kikiewicz ja...@aol.pl writes: I don't get this discussion, few days Imre Kaloz admitted he will work on WRT1200AC so this means that Belkin reached out to him... Yes, that's what I subtly tried to point out with the list archive references :-) Bjørn ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Is Linksys/Belkin lying (again) about being open source (WRT1200AC router) ?
Hi, Great email Valent, and I fully agree with your comments. We have had this discussion here in the past and nothing much changed from Belkin side (actually it got worse as they disappeared apparently) showing a total failure on product release. I'm not entirely sure of the status of WRT1200AC, but if there is nothing here in OpenWRT and nothing else much can be found on the web they are once again lying. They are publishing intentions as if it was something that was already done and consolidated, ready for any buyer to enjoy. If there is something going on between them and OpenWRT we are not aware, at least not via this list. I personally consider a big slap in the face of consumers Marketing doing what they do in Belkin, like if they didn't care at all. This is not simply 'a mistake' or 'a misunderstanding' , it's complete dishonesty and they are probably fully aware of this but simply don't care at all cause they just want to reach their marketing target. Probably people there might not even have a basic idea about what is open-source. As mentioned Marvel is doing some progress with the Wifi driver, which is great for WRT1900AC owners, but that's Marvel only. What has Belkin done about their share of the work BEFORE they release this new product ? I not sure if much or any. I hope they are able to show me I am wrong on my comments. Regards, Fernando On 14/01/2015 13:05, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Linksys/Belking marketing is again doing one thing and saying another? This time they say that WRT1200AC router is open source: http://www.zdnet.com/article/ces-2015-linksys-1200ac-an-inexpensive-open-source-802-11ac-wi-fi-router/ I have tracked progress with WRT1900AC and saw how they failed to give us open source driver, so I hope that this time they will actually keep their (marketing) promise. I really, really, really hope that this time they have reached out and contacted any of you OpenWrt developers and that we will get truly open source driver from them. So please let us know if any of you have heard anything regarding WRT1200AC router and it's drivers. Cheers, Valent. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Is Linksys/Belkin lying (again) about being open source (WRT1200AC router) ?
Is the 1200 out yet? The article that was posted earlier did say that they recognized that they had made mistakes with the 1900 and were planning to not do the same thing with the 1200 and have everything ready at the release date. If the release date is not here yet we can't say that they haven't improved. Now, this isn't the same as having the support upstream in openwrt, which is what we all want, but if they do release the full source at the time of the router release, it is better than most. David Lang On Fri, 16 Jan 2015, Fernando Frediani wrote: Hi, Great email Valent, and I fully agree with your comments. We have had this discussion here in the past and nothing much changed from Belkin side (actually it got worse as they disappeared apparently) showing a total failure on product release. I'm not entirely sure of the status of WRT1200AC, but if there is nothing here in OpenWRT and nothing else much can be found on the web they are once again lying. They are publishing intentions as if it was something that was already done and consolidated, ready for any buyer to enjoy. If there is something going on between them and OpenWRT we are not aware, at least not via this list. I personally consider a big slap in the face of consumers Marketing doing what they do in Belkin, like if they didn't care at all. This is not simply 'a mistake' or 'a misunderstanding' , it's complete dishonesty and they are probably fully aware of this but simply don't care at all cause they just want to reach their marketing target. Probably people there might not even have a basic idea about what is open-source. As mentioned Marvel is doing some progress with the Wifi driver, which is great for WRT1900AC owners, but that's Marvel only. What has Belkin done about their share of the work BEFORE they release this new product ? I not sure if much or any. I hope they are able to show me I am wrong on my comments. Regards, Fernando On 14/01/2015 13:05, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Linksys/Belking marketing is again doing one thing and saying another? This time they say that WRT1200AC router is open source: http://www.zdnet.com/article/ces-2015-linksys-1200ac-an-inexpensive-open-source-802-11ac-wi-fi-router/ I have tracked progress with WRT1900AC and saw how they failed to give us open source driver, so I hope that this time they will actually keep their (marketing) promise. I really, really, really hope that this time they have reached out and contacted any of you OpenWrt developers and that we will get truly open source driver from them. So please let us know if any of you have heard anything regarding WRT1200AC router and it's drivers. Cheers, Valent. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
[OpenWrt-Devel] Is Linksys/Belkin lying (again) about being open source (WRT1200AC router) ?
Linksys/Belking marketing is again doing one thing and saying another? This time they say that WRT1200AC router is open source: http://www.zdnet.com/article/ces-2015-linksys-1200ac-an-inexpensive-open-source-802-11ac-wi-fi-router/ I have tracked progress with WRT1900AC and saw how they failed to give us open source driver, so I hope that this time they will actually keep their (marketing) promise. I really, really, really hope that this time they have reached out and contacted any of you OpenWrt developers and that we will get truly open source driver from them. So please let us know if any of you have heard anything regarding WRT1200AC router and it's drivers. Cheers, Valent. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Is Linksys/Belkin lying (again) about being open source (WRT1200AC router) ?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:05:33 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Linksys/Belking marketing is again doing one thing and saying another? This time they say that WRT1200AC router is open source: http://www.zdnet.com/article/ces-2015-linksys-1200ac-an-inexpensive-open-source-802-11ac-wi-fi-router/ I have tracked progress with WRT1900AC and saw how they failed to give us open source driver, so I hope that this time they will actually keep their (marketing) promise. Marvell released a new wifi driver at the end and they are working on fixing up the reported bugs. I really, really, really hope that this time they have reached out and contacted any of you OpenWrt developers and that we will get truly open source driver from them. So please let us know if any of you have heard anything regarding WRT1200AC router and it's drivers. I'll work on the support for that unit, don't worry :) Imre ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
