Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:08:08PM CEST, champetier.etie...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-10 20:14 GMT+03:00 Florian Fainelli flor...@openwrt.org: Hello, Le 10 août 2014 09:44, Etienne Champetier champetier.etie...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 10 août 2014 18:18, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca a écrit : It would be great to have all feeds in one place, on GitHub. I think making oneself dependent upon a commercial company without paying it (i.e. without leverage) would be a mistake. Stefan We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. We dont depend on github, we use it while it's there (and free). In the mean time it helps getting the job done Also paying is no leverage, a contract can be but there are always half million clauses, and in the worst case scenario they pay you one month back We already have an infrastructure deployed which is much wider than the services offered by github. Surely we had our own administrative issues with those machines but they have been sorted now and the process is much stronger. At this point, I don't think we would be getting any advantage of using a 3rd party service, but that's just me. Etienne You are talking about openwrt.org, that's down right now :) I'm only talking about the feeds here, the core should stay where it is, and nobody can offer you buildbot. My point is github is way more user friendly, and i think it's good to have more people involved on the feed part. The only must have feature of github is the pull request, but that really helps people contribute, and good luck to offer PR like on openwrt server. Well, I believe that there are many people that don't use the github PR and in fact, they hate to work with that. Me included. Unfortunatelly it cannot be disabled on github. I know it's cool but I prefer working with patches the old fashion way, by emails. About openwrt trac, you should: -disable anonymous posting (useless, counterproductive, ...) -grant more write access (packages maintainer, ...) -allow the author of an issue to close his issue Etienne ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Hi, Dne 16/08/2014 10:06, Jiri Pirko napsal(a): Well, I believe that there are many people that don't use the github PR and in fact, they hate to work with that. Me included. Unfortunatelly it cannot be disabled on github. I know it's cool but I prefer working with patches the old fashion way, by emails. From my point of view package maintainers and developers should accept changes made by: * old fashion way (diff patch for example), * the git way - git commit; git format-patch; ... git ampatch or patch -p1patch, * alternative git way - git pull requests. None of those are obsolete. I think it does not matter whether we have git repositories on selfhosted git servers, on github, bitbucket or any other SCM service. The only thing that matters is to deliver important changes that can be easily applicable my maintainers and developers (mostly described in SubmittingPatches guideline on dev.openwrt.org). Jiri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Etienne Champetier champetier.etie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The interest of GitHub is that it's simpler for new comer I really think mailing list + patchwork is the way to go for the base/core part of OpenWrt What would be the advantage of GitHub for you Valent? I'm definitely a newcomer and have not sent any patch so far, so can't compare the two. But I have used github for sending few patches to other different projects, and not learning a different way of sending patches is definitely a big plus. Also my current and future employers can more easily see what I was doing to assess my skills, or lack of them :) Just my 2c. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Why do you want GitHub to close so bad !!! I don't. There are indeed many other cases where you may want to move to something else. The problems stay the same. Stefan ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Please consider switching from svn to git, and then if possible connecting openwrt git with github so patches are synced between them. Thanks. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
On 08/12/2014 08:41 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider switching from svn to git, and then if possible connecting openwrt git with github so patches are synced between them. http://git.openwrt.org/ Thanks. Welcome. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Mirko Vogt mi...@openwrt.org wrote: On 08/12/2014 08:41 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider switching from svn to git, and then if possible connecting openwrt git with github so patches are synced between them. http://git.openwrt.org/ Thanks. Welcome. I know about git.openwrt.org and user it regularly, but how are svn and and git connected? Does current setup allow git.openwrt.org to be synced and connected to github? ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
On 08/12/2014 08:58 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I know about git.openwrt.org and user it regularly, but how are svn and and git connected? Does current setup allow git.openwrt.org to be synced and connected to github? Why not? It is an exact git-svn clone. Maybe I missed a point here.. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Hi, The interest of GitHub is that it's simpler for new comer I really think mailing list + patchwork is the way to go for the base/core part of OpenWrt What would be the advantage of GitHub for you Valent? 2014-08-12 21:41 GMT+03:00 valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com: Please consider switching from svn to git, and then if possible connecting openwrt git with github so patches are synced between them. Thanks. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014, Florian Fainelli wrote: Hello, Le 10 août 2014 09:44, Etienne Champetier champetier.etie...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 10 août 2014 18:18, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca a écrit : It would be great to have all feeds in one place, on GitHub. I think making oneself dependent upon a commercial company without paying it (i.e. without leverage) would be a mistake. Stefan We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. We dont depend on github, we use it while it's there (and free). In the mean time it helps getting the job done Also paying is no leverage, a contract can be but there are always half million clauses, and in the worst case scenario they pay you one month back We already have an infrastructure deployed which is much wider than the services offered by github. Surely we had our own administrative issues with those machines but they have been sorted now and the process is much stronger. At this point, I don't think we would be getting any advantage of using a 3rd party service, but that's just me. I agree about the value of having our own infrastructure, but since git is so powerful, what about making a clone of the feeds on github as well as the current feeds. If the original poster is correct and this will generate more patch submissions from github users, it's a significant win. If not, it doesn't cost any money and only a small amount of time. if git wasn't decentralized enough to allow for multiple instances like this, it would be a much harder decision to make. some projects that have added a presense on github (or moved there entirely) report a significant increase in patches, some report no change. For OpenWRT, I expect that most of the project would see no change, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some areas benefit. David Lang___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Hi, On 10.08.2014 19:14, Florian Fainelli wrote: Hello, Le 10 août 2014 09:44, Etienne Champetier champetier.etie...@gmail.com mailto:champetier.etie...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 10 août 2014 18:18, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca mailto:monn...@iro.umontreal.ca a écrit : It would be great to have all feeds in one place, on GitHub. I think making oneself dependent upon a commercial company without paying it (i.e. without leverage) would be a mistake. Stefan We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. We dont depend on github, we use it while it's there (and free). In the mean time it helps getting the job done Also paying is no leverage, a contract can be but there are always half million clauses, and in the worst case scenario they pay you one month back We already have an infrastructure deployed which is much wider than the services offered by github. Surely we had our own administrative issues with those machines but they have been sorted now and the process is much stronger. At this point, I don't think we would be getting any advantage of using a 3rd party service, but that's just me. Etienne I guess the point of Stefan is not to use github because of github as webservice and/or company, but to be able to make a pull request directly and not to make it by wrapping the changes into an email. Stefan, so far I know (please correct me if I'm wrong), the development (and commitment) of openwrt is actually made on SVN (passed forward to GIT) and not directly on GIT. SVN does not have such mechanism like pull requests. If it was done fully as GIT-repository you could use the pull request feature also without using github. pull requests are a GIT feature and not a github feature. One of the github features is the fancy web-GUI around it :-) PS: I must confess that sending changes by e-mail is still new for me, but it is makable :-) If some day a direct pull request would be possible... That would be very nice. Best Regards, Claudio ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
2014-08-10 20:14 GMT+03:00 Florian Fainelli flor...@openwrt.org: Hello, Le 10 août 2014 09:44, Etienne Champetier champetier.etie...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 10 août 2014 18:18, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca a écrit : It would be great to have all feeds in one place, on GitHub. I think making oneself dependent upon a commercial company without paying it (i.e. without leverage) would be a mistake. Stefan We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. We dont depend on github, we use it while it's there (and free). In the mean time it helps getting the job done Also paying is no leverage, a contract can be but there are always half million clauses, and in the worst case scenario they pay you one month back We already have an infrastructure deployed which is much wider than the services offered by github. Surely we had our own administrative issues with those machines but they have been sorted now and the process is much stronger. At this point, I don't think we would be getting any advantage of using a 3rd party service, but that's just me. Etienne You are talking about openwrt.org, that's down right now :) I'm only talking about the feeds here, the core should stay where it is, and nobody can offer you buildbot. My point is github is way more user friendly, and i think it's good to have more people involved on the feed part. The only must have feature of github is the pull request, but that really helps people contribute, and good luck to offer PR like on openwrt server. About openwrt trac, you should: -disable anonymous posting (useless, counterproductive, ...) -grant more write access (packages maintainer, ...) -allow the author of an issue to close his issue Etienne ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. Notice how right after suggesting github, you suggested using its bugtracker. It's only when github closes your access that you realize you didn't stick to just using Git. Stefan ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
2014-08-11 1:09 GMT+03:00 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca: We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. Notice how right after suggesting github, you suggested using its bugtracker. It's only when github closes your access that you realize you didn't stick to just using Git. Stefan Why do you want GitHub to close so bad !!! If you want we can use (everyone can use) https://github.com/joeyh/github-backup (first result on google for backup github issue) (also time to check OpenWrt servers off-site backup :) ) If you really want to use OpenWrt track, some work has to be done (in the case of Trac losing history would just do the necessary clean-up faster) I really prefer taking the risk to move feeds (not the core) to GitHub, in order to risk having more contribution. Please read the Thank you! email by W. Michael Petullo ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Le 10 août 2014 18:18, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca a écrit : It would be great to have all feeds in one place, on GitHub. I think making oneself dependent upon a commercial company without paying it (i.e. without leverage) would be a mistake. Stefan We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. We dont depend on github, we use it while it's there (and free). In the mean time it helps getting the job done. Also paying is no leverage, a contract can be but there are always half million clauses, and in the worst case scenario they pay you one month back Etienne ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Moving all feeds to OpenWrt GitHub organisation
Hello, Le 10 août 2014 09:44, Etienne Champetier champetier.etie...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 10 août 2014 18:18, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca a écrit : It would be great to have all feeds in one place, on GitHub. I think making oneself dependent upon a commercial company without paying it (i.e. without leverage) would be a mistake. Stefan We use git, the day github closes, or asks for money, or ..., we move. We dont depend on github, we use it while it's there (and free). In the mean time it helps getting the job done Also paying is no leverage, a contract can be but there are always half million clauses, and in the worst case scenario they pay you one month back We already have an infrastructure deployed which is much wider than the services offered by github. Surely we had our own administrative issues with those machines but they have been sorted now and the process is much stronger. At this point, I don't think we would be getting any advantage of using a 3rd party service, but that's just me. Etienne ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
