Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack and Interop people

[Leo Wang]

+1




From: Georg Kunz 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Dave Neary; Cooper, Trevor; Wenjing Chu; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
Cc: Tianhongbo; z...@redhat.com; Fu Qiao; Leo Wang; 'Lincoln Lavoie'; Jose 
Lausuch
Subject: [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack and 
Interop people

Hi all,

We are trying very hard to establish processes, guidelines and best practices 
for running the OPNFV certification program - on our own and with guidance from 
C I believe we can much better leverage existing knowledge and experience 
from related communities. In this context, I'd like to make a proposal.

As mentioned during last week's call, Jose and I had very insightful 
conversations with the relevant folks from the OpenStack certification domain: 
Catherine Diep (RefStack PTL), Egle Sigler (co-chair Interop working group) and 
Mark Voelker (co-chair Interop working group). We have developed a good 
relationship with them and they are willing and interested in sharing their 
experience in running the OpenStack certification / interop program with us.

My proposal: I'd like to invite the aforementioned persons to one or two of our 
project meetings and let them share their experience, best practices and 
guidelines with us. Based on these insights, we can then define, adapt and 
optimize our own processes to suite our needs. The latter is important - I 
don't think we can simply adopt their existing processes, but we should learn 
about why existing processes in the OpenStack domain have evolved to their 
current form. The OpenStack certification program was started in 2013 and 
officially launched in 2015 - so there was serious effort and time involved. We 
should try to build upon existing knowledge without having to go through the 
same learning phase as the OpenStack folks.

This requires some thoughtful timing, of course: In the very short term future, 
we need to focus on finalizing the first iteration of the OPNFV certification 
program. My proposal is not intending to undermine this. On the contrary. 
However, the earlier we get additional insight, the better we can define our 
own processes.

I don't want to put this on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting (for obvious 
reasons), but instead discuss this by email.

@Wenjing / Hongbo: can we dedicate a future meeting to such a sharing session 
with the OpenStack folks?

Best regards
Georg

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Neary [mailto:dne...@redhat.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:54 PM
> To: Cooper, Trevor ; Wenjing Chu
> ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
> Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu
> Qiao ; Leo Wang ;
> 'Lincoln Lavoie' ; Georg Kunz
> 
> Subject: Re: [dovetail] Weekly meeting agenda for May 19
>
> Hi,
>
> My suspicion is that the entire meeting will be taken up with agenda items 2
> and 3 from Wenjing.
>
> We need alignment around the test areas, and test case review. We also
> need to clarify what, if anything, we need to get in terms of guidance from
> C I suggest inverting these agenda items, because the second will take
> less time than the first.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave.
> On 05/18/2017 02:38 PM, Cooper, Trevor wrote:
> > I would like to propose some topics ... a few minutes for each should be
> > fine to decide if we can defer or need a decision
> >
> >
> >
> > -  H/w resources for Dovetail
> >
> > -  Dovetail artifact versions and release schemes
> >
> > -  Test catalog domains relevant to compliance
> >
> > -  Stability test criteria
> >
> >
> >
> > /Trevor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Wenjing Chu [mailto:wenjing@huawei.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:14 PM
> > *To:* opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
> > *Cc:* Dave Neary ; Tianhongbo
> > ; Cooper, Trevor
> > ; z...@redhat.com; Fu Qiao
> > ; Leo Wang ;
> 'Lincoln
> > Lavoie' ; Georg Kunz 
> > *Subject:* [dovetail] Weekly meeting agenda for May 19
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please comment if the following agenda makes sense:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.   Welcome new committers and where we need immediate new
> > contribution and attention
> >
> > 2.   Preparation for tsc review on 5/30
> >
> > 3.   Ask - what we need to ask from c and board? How should we
> > take on the administrative side of tasks. Also the Danube addendum for
> 5/22.
> >
> > 4.   Naming convention of test cases
> >
> > 5.   Vendor lab testing - needs volunteers to sign up beta testers
> >
> > 6.   Tagging / releases, offline support
> >
> > 7.   Design summit topics
> >
> > 8.   Next week: can we still meet at 

Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack and Interop people

[Wenjing Chu]

Hi Georg
Great suggestion and thanks for having this discussion during Openstack Boston. 
Since we are kind of in a jam for our weekly calls, do you think it's better to 
have 2 half an hour sessions and sooner, rather than waiting for when we can 
dedicate whole hour to it?

I'm also in touch with the ETSI TST side and would agree that it will benefit 
us to having them in on a separate meeting.

Speaking of the jam we are in, I'd like to call volunteers who can take on some 
of the specific topics and push forward on those in parallel, and report status 
only on the weekly calls. Let's cover this in the call to see how everyone 
feels about this. Thanks.

Wenjing

-Original Message-
From: Dave Neary [mailto:dne...@redhat.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:15 PM
To: Cooper, Trevor ; Georg Kunz 
; Wenjing Chu ; 
opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu Qiao 
; Leo Wang ; 'Lincoln Lavoie' 
; Jose Lausuch 
Subject: Re: [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack 
and Interop people

I am all in favour. It may also make sense to connect with the ETSI TST group - 
perhaps in a separate meeting - to get their point of view too.

Thanks,
Dave.

On 05/18/2017 07:04 PM, Cooper, Trevor wrote:
> +1
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Georg Kunz [mailto:georg.k...@ericsson.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:38 PM
> To: Dave Neary ; Cooper, Trevor 
> ; Wenjing Chu ; 
> opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
> Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu 
> Qiao ; Leo Wang ; 
> 'Lincoln Lavoie' ; Jose Lausuch 
> 
> Subject: [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack 
> RefStack and Interop people
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are trying very hard to establish processes, guidelines and best practices 
> for running the OPNFV certification program - on our own and with guidance 
> from C I believe we can much better leverage existing knowledge and 
> experience from related communities. In this context, I'd like to make a 
> proposal.
> 
> As mentioned during last week's call, Jose and I had very insightful 
> conversations with the relevant folks from the OpenStack certification 
> domain: Catherine Diep (RefStack PTL), Egle Sigler (co-chair Interop working 
> group) and Mark Voelker (co-chair Interop working group). We have developed a 
> good relationship with them and they are willing and interested in sharing 
> their experience in running the OpenStack certification / interop program 
> with us.
> 
> My proposal: I'd like to invite the aforementioned persons to one or two of 
> our project meetings and let them share their experience, best practices and 
> guidelines with us. Based on these insights, we can then define, adapt and 
> optimize our own processes to suite our needs. The latter is important - I 
> don't think we can simply adopt their existing processes, but we should learn 
> about why existing processes in the OpenStack domain have evolved to their 
> current form. The OpenStack certification program was started in 2013 and 
> officially launched in 2015 - so there was serious effort and time involved. 
> We should try to build upon existing knowledge without having to go through 
> the same learning phase as the OpenStack folks.
> 
> This requires some thoughtful timing, of course: In the very short term 
> future, we need to focus on finalizing the first iteration of the OPNFV 
> certification program. My proposal is not intending to undermine this. On the 
> contrary. However, the earlier we get additional insight, the better we can 
> define our own processes.
> 
> I don't want to put this on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting (for obvious 
> reasons), but instead discuss this by email.
> 
> @Wenjing / Hongbo: can we dedicate a future meeting to such a sharing session 
> with the OpenStack folks?
> 
> Best regards
> Georg
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Neary [mailto:dne...@redhat.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:54 PM
>> To: Cooper, Trevor ; Wenjing Chu 
>> ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
>> Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu 
>> Qiao ; Leo Wang ; 
>> 'Lincoln Lavoie' ; Georg Kunz 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [dovetail] Weekly meeting agenda for May 19
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My suspicion is that the entire meeting will be taken up with agenda 
>> items 2 and 3 from Wenjing.
>>
>> We need alignment around the test areas, and test case review. We 
>> also need to 

Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack and Interop people

[Dave Neary]

I am all in favour. It may also make sense to connect with the ETSI TST
group - perhaps in a separate meeting - to get their point of view too.

Thanks,
Dave.

On 05/18/2017 07:04 PM, Cooper, Trevor wrote:
> +1
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Georg Kunz [mailto:georg.k...@ericsson.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:38 PM
> To: Dave Neary ; Cooper, Trevor ; 
> Wenjing Chu ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
> Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu Qiao 
> ; Leo Wang ; 'Lincoln Lavoie' 
> ; Jose Lausuch 
> Subject: [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack and 
> Interop people
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are trying very hard to establish processes, guidelines and best practices 
> for running the OPNFV certification program - on our own and with guidance 
> from C I believe we can much better leverage existing knowledge and 
> experience from related communities. In this context, I'd like to make a 
> proposal.
> 
> As mentioned during last week's call, Jose and I had very insightful 
> conversations with the relevant folks from the OpenStack certification 
> domain: Catherine Diep (RefStack PTL), Egle Sigler (co-chair Interop working 
> group) and Mark Voelker (co-chair Interop working group). We have developed a 
> good relationship with them and they are willing and interested in sharing 
> their experience in running the OpenStack certification / interop program 
> with us.
> 
> My proposal: I'd like to invite the aforementioned persons to one or two of 
> our project meetings and let them share their experience, best practices and 
> guidelines with us. Based on these insights, we can then define, adapt and 
> optimize our own processes to suite our needs. The latter is important - I 
> don't think we can simply adopt their existing processes, but we should learn 
> about why existing processes in the OpenStack domain have evolved to their 
> current form. The OpenStack certification program was started in 2013 and 
> officially launched in 2015 - so there was serious effort and time involved. 
> We should try to build upon existing knowledge without having to go through 
> the same learning phase as the OpenStack folks.
> 
> This requires some thoughtful timing, of course: In the very short term 
> future, we need to focus on finalizing the first iteration of the OPNFV 
> certification program. My proposal is not intending to undermine this. On the 
> contrary. However, the earlier we get additional insight, the better we can 
> define our own processes.
> 
> I don't want to put this on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting (for obvious 
> reasons), but instead discuss this by email.
> 
> @Wenjing / Hongbo: can we dedicate a future meeting to such a sharing session 
> with the OpenStack folks?
> 
> Best regards
> Georg
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Neary [mailto:dne...@redhat.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:54 PM
>> To: Cooper, Trevor ; Wenjing Chu
>> ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
>> Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu
>> Qiao ; Leo Wang ;
>> 'Lincoln Lavoie' ; Georg Kunz
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [dovetail] Weekly meeting agenda for May 19
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My suspicion is that the entire meeting will be taken up with agenda items 2
>> and 3 from Wenjing.
>>
>> We need alignment around the test areas, and test case review. We also
>> need to clarify what, if anything, we need to get in terms of guidance from
>> C I suggest inverting these agenda items, because the second will take
>> less time than the first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave.
>> On 05/18/2017 02:38 PM, Cooper, Trevor wrote:
>>> I would like to propose some topics ... a few minutes for each should be
>>> fine to decide if we can defer or need a decision
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -  H/w resources for Dovetail
>>>
>>> -  Dovetail artifact versions and release schemes
>>>
>>> -  Test catalog domains relevant to compliance
>>>
>>> -  Stability test criteria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> /Trevor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Wenjing Chu [mailto:wenjing@huawei.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:14 PM
>>> *To:* opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
>>> *Cc:* Dave Neary ; Tianhongbo
>>> ; Cooper, Trevor
>>> ; z...@redhat.com; Fu Qiao
>>> ; Leo Wang ;
>> 'Lincoln
>>> Lavoie' ; Georg Kunz 
>>> *Subject:* [dovetail] Weekly meeting agenda for May 19
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please comment if the following agenda makes sense:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.   Welcome new 

Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack and Interop people

[Cooper, Trevor]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Georg Kunz [mailto:georg.k...@ericsson.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:38 PM
To: Dave Neary ; Cooper, Trevor ; 
Wenjing Chu ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu Qiao 
; Leo Wang ; 'Lincoln Lavoie' 
; Jose Lausuch 
Subject: [dovetail] proposal: information sharing with OpenStack RefStack and 
Interop people

Hi all,

We are trying very hard to establish processes, guidelines and best practices 
for running the OPNFV certification program - on our own and with guidance from 
C I believe we can much better leverage existing knowledge and experience 
from related communities. In this context, I'd like to make a proposal.

As mentioned during last week's call, Jose and I had very insightful 
conversations with the relevant folks from the OpenStack certification domain: 
Catherine Diep (RefStack PTL), Egle Sigler (co-chair Interop working group) and 
Mark Voelker (co-chair Interop working group). We have developed a good 
relationship with them and they are willing and interested in sharing their 
experience in running the OpenStack certification / interop program with us.

My proposal: I'd like to invite the aforementioned persons to one or two of our 
project meetings and let them share their experience, best practices and 
guidelines with us. Based on these insights, we can then define, adapt and 
optimize our own processes to suite our needs. The latter is important - I 
don't think we can simply adopt their existing processes, but we should learn 
about why existing processes in the OpenStack domain have evolved to their 
current form. The OpenStack certification program was started in 2013 and 
officially launched in 2015 - so there was serious effort and time involved. We 
should try to build upon existing knowledge without having to go through the 
same learning phase as the OpenStack folks.

This requires some thoughtful timing, of course: In the very short term future, 
we need to focus on finalizing the first iteration of the OPNFV certification 
program. My proposal is not intending to undermine this. On the contrary. 
However, the earlier we get additional insight, the better we can define our 
own processes.

I don't want to put this on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting (for obvious 
reasons), but instead discuss this by email.

@Wenjing / Hongbo: can we dedicate a future meeting to such a sharing session 
with the OpenStack folks?

Best regards
Georg

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Neary [mailto:dne...@redhat.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:54 PM
> To: Cooper, Trevor ; Wenjing Chu
> ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
> Cc: Tianhongbo ; z...@redhat.com; Fu
> Qiao ; Leo Wang ;
> 'Lincoln Lavoie' ; Georg Kunz
> 
> Subject: Re: [dovetail] Weekly meeting agenda for May 19
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My suspicion is that the entire meeting will be taken up with agenda items 2
> and 3 from Wenjing.
> 
> We need alignment around the test areas, and test case review. We also
> need to clarify what, if anything, we need to get in terms of guidance from
> C I suggest inverting these agenda items, because the second will take
> less time than the first.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave.
> On 05/18/2017 02:38 PM, Cooper, Trevor wrote:
> > I would like to propose some topics ... a few minutes for each should be
> > fine to decide if we can defer or need a decision
> >
> >
> >
> > -  H/w resources for Dovetail
> >
> > -  Dovetail artifact versions and release schemes
> >
> > -  Test catalog domains relevant to compliance
> >
> > -  Stability test criteria
> >
> >
> >
> > /Trevor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Wenjing Chu [mailto:wenjing@huawei.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:14 PM
> > *To:* opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org
> > *Cc:* Dave Neary ; Tianhongbo
> > ; Cooper, Trevor
> > ; z...@redhat.com; Fu Qiao
> > ; Leo Wang ;
> 'Lincoln
> > Lavoie' ; Georg Kunz 
> > *Subject:* [dovetail] Weekly meeting agenda for May 19
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please comment if the following agenda makes sense:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.   Welcome new committers and where we need immediate new
> > contribution and attention
> >
> > 2.   Preparation for tsc review on 5/30
> >
> > 3.   Ask - what we need to ask from c and board? How should we
> > take on the administrative side of tasks. Also the Danube addendum for
> 5/22.
> >
> > 4.   Naming convention of test cases
> >
> >