Re: Blocked from yelp.com?

2011-01-31 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake David Carlson (carlson...@sbcglobal.net): I am forbidden to access the server yelp.com. Is that because I am a Tor exit node? To hell with yelp. It's not clear if the bans are intentional - if they just believe that selling user's privacy against their will is their official

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread morphium
Do you have a rational reason why we should allow people to carry the unencrypted version of a service but not the encrypted one, other than Well, they could be bad actors even with a good policy! As I stated above, it's not a good idea to BadExit them, because it puts more load on the

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Olaf Selke
On 31.01.2011 10:52, morphium wrote: As I stated above, it's not a good idea to BadExit them, because it puts more load on the servers, that DO support https i.e. - and makes them slower. I disagree Morphium's position mainly for the same reasons Mike and Jake already pointed out. If the

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread morphium
2011/1/31 Olaf Selke olaf.se...@blutmagie.de: I disagree Morphium's position mainly for the same reasons Mike and Jake already pointed out. If the operators really care about their nodes they'll certainly contact Tor admins. Damaging Tor's reputation in the public due to exit sniffing imo is

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Eddie Cornejo
I can not see the Tor project won _anything_ with this decision. I agree 100%. By all means try to identify those that are trying to misuse the privilege of running an exit node by other means - but solely looking at exit policies is not sufficient. All you're stating to the community is do it

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread morphium
2011/1/31 Mike Perry mikepe...@fscked.org: So when I said in my earlier post that we don't need exit capacity that bad, I meant it. Thanks, but no thanks. You are contributing negative productivity, and none of the non-bitorrenting exits really will notice your absence in terms of load. Please

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Aplin, Justin M
On 1/31/2011 6:05 AM, morphium wrote: 2011/1/31 Mike Perrymikepe...@fscked.org: So when I said in my earlier post that we don't need exit capacity that bad, I meant it. Thanks, but no thanks. You are contributing negative productivity, and none of the non-bitorrenting exits really will notice

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Orionjur Tor-admin
morphium wrote: 2011/1/31 Olaf Selke olaf.se...@blutmagie.de: I disagree Morphium's position mainly for the same reasons Mike and Jake already pointed out. If the operators really care about their nodes they'll certainly contact Tor admins. Damaging Tor's reputation in the public due to exit

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Orionjur Tor-admin
Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake morphium (morph...@morphium.info): Do you have a rational reason why we should allow people to carry the unencrypted version of a service but not the encrypted one, other than Well, they could be bad actors even with a good policy! As I stated above, it's not a

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread tor
On 31/01/2011 12:37, Orionjur Tor-admin wrote: But, in the other side, it seems to me that guys which set up so such fast nodes are not full lamers. And they probably can read this mailing list and are able to answer us, am I wrong? They may or may not read this list. Has anyone taken

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Jan Weiher
Assuming the worse, and disregarding volunteer exit bandwidth without some proper investigation, doesn't sound like a good approach to me... Nobody does that, but I think its fair to say that if you want that somebody can contact you about your node, you publish your contact details in the

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread tor
On 31/01/2011 13:11, Jan Weiher wrote: Assuming the worse, and disregarding volunteer exit bandwidth without some proper investigation, doesn't sound like a good approach to me... Nobody does that, but I think its fair to say that if you want that somebody can contact you about your node,

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Jan Weiher
You make it sound as though running an Exit node is a privilege and that people who run them somehow owe the Tor project? They're volunteering bandwidth, for the benefit of the network. This was not my intention. But I think it should be possible to ask a volunteer about what he is doing?

Re: Polipo bug reporting

2011-01-31 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:20:10 + Geoff Down geoffd...@fastmail.net wrote: Thank you Juliusz, I appreciate your efforts. Clearly Tor needs to ship with a working Polipo, so if this is a real fault would the bundle developers please revert to the version which was in the Vidalia 0.2.9 bundle,

quick question about my bridge relay...

2011-01-31 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
Hi, (I've redacted my IP address and relay name and fingerprint here.) I've set up a bridge relay and it seems to work for a bit and then stop routing traffic. I'm wondering if I've misconfigured it or something. The box running it is behind a NAT and I've port-forwarded to the Relay Port and

Re: quick question about my bridge relay...

2011-01-31 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
Ah, someone was kind enough to point me to bug 1992: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/1992 thanks, Joe On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall joeh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, (I've redacted my IP address and relay name and fingerprint here.) I've set up a bridge

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Chuck Filson
I don't think that tor should be dictating what ports must or must not be open on an exit node. This is after all a voluntary operation. If people want to send unencrypted data, they will do so with or without these 5 nodes. Shutting them or others down as exits will not make up for users that

Re: quick question about my bridge relay...

2011-01-31 Thread Gitano
On 2011-01-31 15:26, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: I've set up a bridge relay and it seems to work for a bit and then stop routing traffic. I'm wondering if I've misconfigured it or something. Get your 'external' address (http://checkip.dyndns.com/) and start your bridge with this IP. Better:

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Andrew Lewman
In my opinion, judging a relay based on exit policy is a slippery slope we don't want to go down. We never claim to make using Tor alone safer than using the Internet at large. Whether the creep is at Starbucks sniffing the wifi or running a relay is irrelevant to me. Encouraging people to use

Re: Polipo bug reporting

2011-01-31 Thread Erinn Clark
* Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.org [2011:01:31 08:56 -0500]: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:20:10 + Geoff Down geoffd...@fastmail.net wrote: Thank you Juliusz, I appreciate your efforts. Clearly Tor needs to ship with a working Polipo, so if this is a real fault would the bundle

Privoxy icon popping up

2011-01-31 Thread cmeclax-sazri
I have Konqueror 3.5.8 set up to use Privoxy and Tor. Sometimes I try to bring up a site that's down, and I get a page generated by Privoxy. But I also get Privoxy's favicon on some, but not all, pages of a forum I'm on. How come?

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.org wrote: [snip] If we're going to start censoring Tor exits based on impressions, we might as well start blocking Tor relays that are rumoured to be run by national intelligence agencies, criminal organizations, martians, and

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Curious Kid
- Original Message From: Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com To: or-talk@freehaven.net Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 6:47:37 PM Subject: Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit? There are legitimate reasons why tor supports an operator controlled exit policy, but no real suggestion has

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Curious Kid (letsshareinformat...@yahoo.com): - Original Message From: Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com To: or-talk@freehaven.net Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 6:47:37 PM Subject: Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit? There are legitimate reasons why tor supports an

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake t...@lists.grepular.com (t...@lists.grepular.com): On 31/01/2011 13:11, Jan Weiher wrote: Assuming the worse, and disregarding volunteer exit bandwidth without some proper investigation, doesn't sound like a good approach to me... Nobody does that, but I think its fair to

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread tor
On 01/02/2011 00:00, Mike Perry wrote: I don't think you can make that assumption. Maybe they just didn't want their email address to be public for spam bots to harvest. Maybe they're just used to not publishing their email address unless they really have to. Safest course of action: Figure

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake t...@lists.grepular.com (t...@lists.grepular.com): But don't worry, at some point Mr. Blow et al will realize that their packet captures stopped grabbing passwords and are only seeing encrypted middle and guard node traffic. They'll probably show up then, proclaiming their

Re: Polipo bug reporting

2011-01-31 Thread Geoff Down
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:56 -0500, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.org wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:20:10 + Geoff Down geoffd...@fastmail.net wrote: Thank you Juliusz, I appreciate your efforts. Clearly Tor needs to ship with a working Polipo, so if this is a real fault would the

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread mi nt
These people should not be Tor nodes. Mike, I respectfully disagree. Anyone willing to allow traffic should be node. The tor project homepage makes no 'rules' when it comes to running a node. If you're willing to allow any traffic you're a suitable candidate, apparently in the opinion of the

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread mi nt
Furthermore I would like to add that if I ran an exit I *might* just not put contact info on it. I don't see the issue unless it's rejecting traffic and I'm screwing up the network. Even if it was I'd figure it out eventually. I wouldn't want you weirdos emailing me anyway ;) --

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:08 PM, mi nt m...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: These people should not be Tor nodes. Mike, I respectfully disagree. Anyone willing to allow traffic should be node. The tor project homepage makes no 'rules' when it comes to running a node. If you're willing to allow any

Re: Is gatereloaded a Bad Exit?

2011-01-31 Thread John Case
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, Christopher A. Lindsey wrote: Could it be that these nodes have set these policies to reduce the possibility of being approached because of illegal activity passing through them? It could be they believe that they're helping with the project and limiting their exposure as

Re: Per-Tab Torbutton

2011-01-31 Thread Aplin, Justin M
On 1/25/2011 1:25 PM, Jerzy Ɓogiewa wrote: Hello Is it possible to have Torbutton activate Tor only on specified tabs and not others? It would make Tor much more useful. So far this is not possible, no. There is an ugly, but workable, solution in using Firefox's profile manager. By creating

Re: Polipo bug reporting

2011-01-31 Thread Aplin, Justin M
On 1/31/2011 7:58 PM, Geoff Down wrote: The difference is that the PPC bundle with vidalia 0.2.9 was built on a 10.3.9 ppc mac. However, the 10.3.9 machine died a smelly, melty death during a build a few months ago. Is nobody freecycling one? http://www.freecycle.org/group/US/ GD I may be

tor weather subscription problem

2011-01-31 Thread Scott Bennett
I just tried to sign up for the tor weather email service. Clicking on the subscribe button after entering the information requested in various places earlier on the page yielded, Forbidden (403) CSRF verification failed. Request aborted. You are seeing this message because this HTTPS