Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-22 Thread Jim
Roger Dingledine wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:53:48PM -0600, Jim wrote: I connect to the Internet with dialup. I have been successfully using Tor clients for 4+ years. One of the issues with using Tor over a slow connection is the amount of time it takes to update the information abo

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-21 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:53:48PM -0600, Jim wrote: > I connect to the Internet with dialup. I have been successfully using > Tor clients for 4+ years. One of the issues with using Tor over a slow > connection is the amount of time it takes to update the information > about the network whe

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-21 Thread Jim
Mike Perry wrote: Actually there are several large-userbase companies that want to include Tor by default in their product, either as a client, a relay, or a bridge. Unfortunately, the only answer we have for them in the immediate term is "For the love of goddess don't do that, you'll destroy To

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-21 Thread Julie C
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: > > Actually there are several large-userbase companies that want to > include Tor by default in their product, either as a client, a relay, > or a bridge. Unfortunately, the only answer we have for them in the > immediate term is "For the love

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-21 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Al MailingList (alpal.mailingl...@gmail.com): > > And what about Microsoft? I think someone should be targeting/lobbying them > > to include a Tor client and default bridge relay in every version of Windows > > 8 or 9. Find out what it would take to get them to do this, > > Sorry, what

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-21 Thread Al MailingList
> And what about Microsoft? I think someone should be targeting/lobbying them > to include a Tor client and default bridge relay in every version of Windows > 8 or 9. Find out what it would take to get them to do this, Sorry, what's in this for Microsoft? Being a good corporate citizen? >From a bu

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-20 Thread Julie C
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:28 AM, Curious Kid wrote: > > Possibly the fact that they are our enemies and want to end online > anonymity. > > Microsoft Exec Calls For 'Driver's License For The Internet' > > http://techdirt.com/articles/20100204/1925188060.shtml > > Our enemies? That's a self-limiti

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-20 Thread Jim
Curious Kid wrote: >> And what about Microsoft? >> at least $20M a year. Why would they even consider doing this? To be a good >> corporate citizen, to better protect the anonymity of their users, to do >> their >> part to fight the good fight for freedom of speech, and to possibly give >>

Re: Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-20 Thread Curious Kid
> And what about Microsoft? I think someone should be targeting/lobbying them > to > include a Tor client and default bridge relay in every version of Windows 8 > or > 9. Find out what it would take to get them to do this, and keep a list. > Assign > someone to this task full time. Tell

Bigger Thinking [was: Tor Project 2008 Tax Return]

2010-08-19 Thread Julie C
> > From: Paul Syverson Date: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:29 PM ... Also, it is much easier for IBM and Oracle to understand the RoI in linux > than for such players, qua corporate position, to see the RoI in Tor, but > even that still occurred over years of footdragging, hedging bets, etc. ...