Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 12.05.2010 18:56, Anders Andersson wrote: A thought: Currently there is a Donate! section on torproject.org, that doesn't mention what the money is used for or how much money that comes in. By the way, Paypal is the most widely used paypent processor, but also the most expensive.

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-20 Thread grarpamp
By the way, Paypal is the most widely used paypent processor Well, in the open social networking space, sure. There's all sorts of traditional commercial processors such as: https://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
By the way, Paypal is the most widely used paypent processor Well, in the open social networking space, sure. There's all sorts of traditional commercial processors such as: https://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/ Yes, I was implicitly talking about projects that live

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-19 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 14.05.2010 06:56, and...@torproject.org wrote: Can we split entrepreneurial from bad? I don't see the two as one concept. If someone figures out a way to increase fast exit relays and preserve user privacy/anonymity and make money, more power to them. We as the non-profit aren't going to

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 13.05.2010 03:27, and...@torproject.org wrote: My USD $0.02. Monthly or yearly? ;-) -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread W
Back to the Kickstarter idea, while I fully understand and agree with most of your points, my thought was one of publicly creating awareness of need. Whatever the appropriate platform, I really think it needs to move in that direction. Let's hypothesize for a moment that a suitable basic

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread Martin Fick
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, W waterwai...@gmx.com wrote: I'm not necessarily suggesting nagware pop-ups, but I am talking about something like, perhaps, a splash screen with a reminder -- and a button -- upon launch. I would think that the slowness of the network would be reminder enough, no?

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread W
Well, assuming that it is only a technically-minded userbase that installs Tor, then maybe! Do you guys have any sense of whether or not that's actually true? .w On May 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Martin Fick wrote: I would think that the slowness of the network would be reminder enough, no?

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread Jon
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, W waterwai...@gmx.com wrote: I'm not necessarily suggesting nagware pop-ups, but I am talking about something like, perhaps, a splash screen with a reminder -- and a button -- upon launch. I can not speak for everyone else, but for my self, if I read this right, imo,

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread W
This is not an entrepreneurial proposition all. I'm merely talking about exposing the end-users to the financial realities of operating the service, and inviting them to help in a more obvious way. I'm NOT suggesting blatant nagware. Gentle is the word used, and I certainly never said pop-ups.

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread andrew
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 09:32:29PM -0400, waterwai...@gmx.com wrote 2.3K bytes in 52 lines about: : This is not an entrepreneurial proposition all. I'm merely talking about exposing the end-users to the financial realities of operating the service, and inviting them to help in a more obvious

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread grarpamp
So long as more nodes come online, and those nodes have proper family statements, particularly regarding physical/geopolitical location... I don't really see any problem with any form of organization doing this. For profit or not. Nor any problem with any level of transparency. From open books

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, I was asked by mail if I was interested in $5 a month. To make that one clear: Yes, I am! I want to fund a node. Depending on the number of people, amounts of money, wishes for services, I will try to find the best suitable hoster. The three posted were just examples of what I have in mind.

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-12 Thread Anders Andersson
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Moritz Bartl t...@wiredwings.com wrote: I would also like theoretically to accept anonymous donations for a node (not for the VPN/webspace stuff of course), but the problem there is not so much accepting it (PSC, Ukash, Liberty Reserve etc), but making sure

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-12 Thread Martin Fick
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Anders Andersson pipat...@gmail.com wrote: A thought: Currently there is a Donate! section on torproject.org, that doesn't mention what the money is used for or how much money that comes in. I think a lot more people would donate if they could see that the money went

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
A thought: Currently there is a Donate! section on torproject.org, that doesn't mention what the money is used for or how much money that comes in. If you look closely, at the bottom of the page a pie says what the money is used for. Basically, torproject donations are used for development.

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-12 Thread andrew
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 07:11:53PM +0200, t...@wiredwings.com wrote 2.0K bytes in 45 lines about: : A thought: Currently there is a Donate! section on torproject.org, : that doesn't mention what the money is used for or how much money that : comes in. : : If you look closely, at the bottom

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-11 Thread W
Have you guys thought organizing a (very) public Kickstarter.com project for the purpose of raising the funds and creating awareness of need? .w On May 10, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: Hi, At the moment, 25% of all traffic exits through Blutmagie (thanks Olaf!). I guess we

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-11 Thread David Triendl
Hi everyone, Have you guys thought organizing a (very) public Kickstarter.com project for the purpose of raising the funds and creating awareness of need? Kickstarter has three disadvantages: 1) It does not allow recurring fees, you'd have to start a new project for every payment you want to

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus David Triendl spake: Hi everyone, Have you guys thought organizing a (very) public Kickstarter.com project for the purpose of raising the funds and creating awareness of need? Kickstarter has three disadvantages: 1) It does not allow recurring fees, you'd have to start a new project

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-11 Thread Al MailingList
Hi, I don't want to be a party-pooper, but installing just another big node (like blutmagie) would still mean * relatively (still very low) redundancy * strong agglomeration of traffic on only a few nodes (thus leading to) * relatively simple eavesdropping of exit traffic When

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thus Al MailingList spake: Hi, I don't want to be a party-pooper, but installing just another big node (like blutmagie) would still mean * relatively (still very low) redundancy * strong agglomeration of traffic on only a few nodes (thus

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-11 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Timo Schoeler (timo.schoe...@riscworks.net): I don't want to be a party-pooper, but installing just another big node (like blutmagie) would still mean * relatively simple eavesdropping of exit traffic When speaking in terms of bandwidth, e.g. 150Mbps, then I'd rather spread it

Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-10 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, At the moment, 25% of all traffic exits through Blutmagie (thanks Olaf!). I guess we all agree that this situation is far from optimal. Judging from the number of requests in the last months where people were looking for friendly ISPs, help with setting up, running and managing Tor nodes,