I agree. But here is what one judge in Colorado did to a juror who told
others about nullification:
http://www.levellers.org/jrp/orig/jrp.natllawj.htm
She was jailed for a period of time and after a lengthy defense,
eventually release.
The question maybe we should be asking is not what are the
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:46:03 -0800 F. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Andrew Del Vecchio wrote:
Mark,
In absentia was always there, it just wasn't SOP like it is now. BTW,
are you familiar with jury nullification? It was a victim of the last
round of substance prohibition in the 20s and
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Two words: Ron Paul 8-)
Patrick Hooker wrote:
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As an US citizen and Tor user I fully agree with you Mark. I've been
greatly saddened the past few years to see our constitutionally
declared freedoms eroded away by a corrupt government. While
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Can we start a tor-legal-matters and/or tor-misc-chatter lists to
resolve this problem?
~Andrew
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 04:43:07PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 3.7K bytes
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The latest round of emails
Andrew Del Vecchio schrieb:
Can we start a tor-legal-matters and/or tor-misc-chatter lists to
resolve this problem?
Tor is the technology side, but it has a political and legal side too,
which should be allowed to talk about, how far it likes to go. Okay,
maybe in another or-list, but
Really, I do not see why this cannot be discussed on the list. It is
crucially related to the entire purpose; origin of Tor. Without the need
for sidestepping gov., corporate and other tyrannies, my guess is there
would be very little need for Tor. Was it Shaw that said that the truth
can only be
Patrick Hooker wrote:
Hi Mark, everyone,
(much snippage)
While there are
plenty of us who are still alert and doing what we can, the vast bulk
of of US population reminds me of the sheep in Orwell's Animal Farm.
Concerning Tor and the Internet,I think it's extremely important that
we find
Can we start a tor-legal-matters and/or tor-misc-chatter lists to
resolve this problem?
Tor is the technology side, but it has a political and legal side too,
which should be allowed to talk about, how far it likes to go. Okay,
maybe in another or-list, but generally there is to provide
What would have happened if you had not accepted their plea agreement?
Used to be here in the USA they had to bring u personally to court to
try and convict you.
Now they are convicting in abstencia for many crimes.
Because the courts, judges and prosecutors are too incompetent or busy,
they
works the same way in the USA. if you have money to hire good lawyers
you get justice. if you do not, your SOL (shit out of luck). And most of
these non-profit agencies are of little help.
the people in my town, most are so f**king brain dead that they just go
along with whatever crap is piled up
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Mark,
In absentia was always there, it just wasn't SOP like it is now. BTW,
are you familiar with jury nullification? It was a victim of the last
round of substance prohibition in the 20s and 30s. Essentially, jurors
have the (no longer
There is this old tenet that frogs in water that is gradually heated
don't notice they are being boiled alive. This is what is happening to
America. The changes are not coming quickly or severely enough for our
apathetic, somewhat stupid populace to be alarmed enough to do
something. Either that
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 04:43:07PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 3.7K bytes in
99 lines about:
The latest round of emails has taken this thread way off any tor-related
topic.
Please, let's keep it related to Tor in order to raise the signal to
noise ratio.
Thanks.
--
Andrew
Hi Mark, everyone,
On Nov 26, 2007 5:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is this old tenet that frogs in water that is gradually heated
don't notice they are being boiled alive. This is what is happening to
America. The changes are not coming quickly or severely enough for our
apathetic,
don't keep the knowledge for yourself :)
On Thursday 15 November 2007 22:54, Arrakis wrote:
I actually know of such a company that is interested in supplying tor
legal insurance in DE. Is anyone interested?
Steve
Mirko Thiesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They offered me to dismiss the actual court trial according to
paragraph 153 StPO which is not the same as an acquittal (no
Freispruch) which I eventually accepted.
My German is not that fresh anymore, but it seems to say that if your
guilt
Wilfred L. Guerin wrote:
I am sincerely concerned about the following issue:
address and identity used are from the cow town next door
Please explain for us the failures of your tor implementation to
properly mix and distribute the content, and why (moreso how) such an
event occured?
Are
A judge found you guilty without hearing from you, nor summoning you
to a trial? That sounds like a ... dangerous procedure. Well, I
This is a common procedure here for smaller offenses. AFAIK it is often used
if people appeal to fines resulting of speed tickets and the like.
suppose you
Hi,
1: by German law a Tor node admin is something like an access
provider.
You are not responsible for your traffic. If the court have only an IP
address and you have a tor status log, they have nothing.
2: Tor is a legal service in Germany (today and yesterday, tomorrow we
will see).
Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2007 schrieb Mirko Thiesen:
A judge found you guilty without hearing from you, nor summoning
you to a trial? That sounds like a ... dangerous procedure. Well,
I
This is a common procedure here for smaller offenses. AFAIK it is
often used if people appeal to
There is already a thread about this organization/fund.
I am watching it carefully because I am interested.
It looks for like like we need a legal costs insurance
(Rechtschutzversicherung) for tor admins.
Gruesse
Robert
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 22:16, Robert Hogan wrote:
On Wednesday
I actually know of such a company that is interested in supplying tor
legal insurance in DE. Is anyone interested?
Steve
linux wrote:
There is already a thread about this organization/fund.
I am watching it carefully because I am interested.
It looks for like like we need a legal costs
Arrakis schrieb:
I actually know of such a company that is interested in supplying tor
legal insurance in DE. Is anyone interested?
Yes, I am.
Greets
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On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 07:55:12PM +, Robert Hogan wrote:
Secondly, your case is proof, if proof were needed, that Tor is still a
project without a rock-solid layman's analogy. Every Tor server operator that
ends up explaining Tor to a non-technical or even just plain skeptical
audience
Good morning,
I've been operating a Tor node (NetWorkXXIII) for quite some years now
(although it was down for several months as it was facing repeated DDoS
attacks earlier this year).
In June the local police informed me about preliminary proceedings against
me by asking me (by mail) to visit
Hi Mirko,
that sounds... disastrous. I'm facing the same thing at the moment, a quite
similar case - although my lawyer currently tries to fight off an actual case
at court, pointing out all the other incidents I suffered of earlier.
This stinks. Beihilfe my a**.
BTW, I'm currently reading
Am Mittwoch, 14. November 2007 schrieb Mirko Thiesen:
Good morning,
node. I asked What about a postal service that delivers i.e. a
bomb or a blackmail letter? Do they help people committing crimes
as well? They said that these two things could not be compared as
a postal service offers
Il 14/11/2007 15:22, Mirko Thiesen ha scritto:
In June the local police informed me about preliminary proceedings against
me by asking me (by mail) to visit them. The letter mentioned computer
fraud (actually it was Computerbetrug in Tateinheit mit Faelschung
beweiserheblicher Daten gemaess
Hm, so I send a letter with a faked sender's address - what's that?
How many letters get sent daily, which have been anonymized? I get
letters with no sender's address at all - on the envelope. You never
really know from where a letter came, even less now with the letter
centers in
Kafka and the Internet . . . perhaps you might turn this into an interactive
novella
On Nov 14, 2007 9:22 AM, Mirko Thiesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Good morning,
I've been operating a Tor node (NetWorkXXIII) for quite some years now
(although it was down for several months as it was
Thanks for continuing to fight for tor in Germany. You have all of our
support. Is there anything people outside Germany can do to help?
An injury to one is an injury to all,
Comrade Ringo Kamen
On Nov 14, 2007 10:43 AM, Mirko Thiesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hm, so I send a letter with a faked
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 03:22:29PM +0100, Mirko Thiesen wrote:
In June the local police informed me about preliminary proceedings
against me by asking me (by mail) to visit them. (...) but since I
hadn't done anything I followed the general advice in such
situations: You have the right to
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 14:22:29 Mirko Thiesen wrote:
I
asked What about a postal service that delivers i.e. a bomb or a blackmail
letter? Do they help people committing crimes as well? They said that
these two things could not be compared as a postal service offers
transportation
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Hi Mirko,
1: by German law a Tor node admin is something like an access provider.
You are not responsible for your traffic. If the court have only an IP
address and you have a tor status log, they have nothing.
2: Tor is a legal service in Germany
Am Mittwoch, den 14.11.2007, 21:22 +0100 schrieb TOR Admin (gpfTOR1):
Hi Mirko,
1: by German law a Tor node admin is something like an access provider.
You are not responsible for your traffic. If the court have only an IP
address and you have a tor status log, they have nothing.
I'd point
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 15:22, Mirko Thiesen wrote:
Good morning,
Guten Abend,
I have also received such a letter some time ago but I went to the police and
explained. Of course you have to take care what you say and do not say too
much. The police tried to frighten me that normally
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 20:22:09 TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) wrote:
Hi Mirko,
1: by German law a Tor node admin is something like an access provider.
You are not responsible for your traffic. If the court have only an IP
address and you have a tor status log, they have nothing.
2: Tor is a
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 20:47:50 you wrote:
This country needs an revolution!
Maybe! ;)
In the meantime, solidarity among Tor operators would go a long way. If that
case had been for 100,000 euro you might now find yourself with a date in
court. Who would you turn to in such a
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