Il 07/02/2011 09:47, Marco Predicatori ha scritto:
> morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote:
>
>> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in
>> the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP
>> belonged to.
> That's interesting, because it means that running
> only if you purchase said services under your real name/accounts or
> without sufficient indirection.
>
> defense in depth++
My defense in depth ;) looks that way: Let the state come, let them
accuse you, win the case.
Did it once (german link:
http://www.gulli.com/news/anonymit-t-triumph-f-r-to
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 03:15:59PM -0800, coderman wrote:
> only if you purchase said services under your real name/accounts or
> without sufficient indirection.
Hetzner has plenty of nongerman customers, so using an
LLC as an abstraction layer would probably work.
Not sure they would accept yea
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Marco Predicatori wrote:
> morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote:
>
>> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in
>> the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP
>> belonged to.
>
> That's interesting, because it means tha
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thus Marco Predicatori spake:
> morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote:
>
>> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in
>> the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP
>> belonged to.
>
> That's interesting,
morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote:
> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in
> the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP
> belonged to.
That's interesting, because it means that running the node away from
home doesn't affect the chance of being
2011/2/5 coderman :
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:08 AM, morphium wrote:
>>...
>> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in the
>> data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP belonged
>> to.
>
> this is interesting.
>
> just to clarify: you had traffic of intere
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:08 AM, morphium wrote:
>...
> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in the
> data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP belonged
> to.
this is interesting.
just to clarify: you had traffic of interest from a dedicated server
in a
Hi!
2011/2/4 Moritz Bartl :
> You can get the PA subnet reallocated to you as a customer of a LIR
> without additional cost.
Would that be such a reallocation:
http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?searchtext=46.4.237.146
Because I'm mentioned there first for my /25, but Hetzner is mentioned aswell.
Bes
Hi,
On 04.02.2011 16:38, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
>> If you got your own IP space with own ripe contact, all the abuse mails
>> will go to you, so it does not cause trouble to them at all. Maybe this
>> is what is meant with "you are responsible".
> M sorry but ¿do you know exactly what
El 2011-02-03 19.39, Jan Weiher escribió:
Interesting. Hetzner is officially down on anything which causes
them trouble (benji said so himself, repeatedly), so they're
effectively accepting of a Tor middleman, but Tor exits are
probably going to be pretty short-lived in Hetzner space.
If you g
I think
2011/2/4 Matthew :
> So are you suing the police if the case is continuing but your hardware has
> been returned?
I think they will have to pay compensation after I got my acquittal.
But that has to be checked afterwards.
And, if the case continues at it current ... speed ..., this can b
It happened 4 years ago... they came, took every hardware they could
find, took more than a year to analyze it, they found nothing (they
were looking for child pornography - someone downloaded via my tor
exit from swoopshare) and gave my hardware back after 2 years.
The trial is still ongoing, b
> It happened 4 years ago... they came, took every hardware they could
> find, took more than a year to analyze it, they found nothing (they
> were looking for child pornography - someone downloaded via my tor
> exit from swoopshare) and gave my hardware back after 2 years.
Oh and yes, they took o
2011/2/4 Matthew :
>
>> I already had a raid due to my Exit Node... so, I'm not worried :)
>>
> Can you explain what happened, please?
It happened 4 years ago... they came, took every hardware they could
find, took more than a year to analyze it, they found nothing (they
were looking for child por
I already had a raid due to my Exit Node... so, I'm not worried :)
Can you explain what happened, please?
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On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 11:33:01AM +0100, morphium wrote:
> I just asked them, they told me they'll only block the affected IP,
Also interesting, in the two cases of DDoS I had my entire systems
cut off, and had to phone in to explain the situation and make the
network accessible.
Nullrouting is
Hi again.
2011/2/4 Eugen Leitl :
> Things have changed a lot, then, and for the better. Wait until you
> got hit by DDoS or a couple, and then see whether Hetzner is still
> cooperative.
I just asked them, they told me they'll only block the affected IP,
not the whole server. That is fine with me
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 09:52:33AM +0100, morphium wrote:
> Do you have any sources for this? I am running a Tor Exit vserver on
In general, it's statements like
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=995381&highlight=OVH&page=2
and stuff in Hetzner forums, as well as personal experience
Hi!
2011/2/3 Eugen Leitl:
> On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 05:36:09PM +0100, Andrea Trentini wrote:
>
>> self suggestion: I asked hetzner if they accept a tor node, they
>> told me "yes, but you're responsible" (of course)
>
> Interesting. Hetzner is officially down on anything which causes
> them troubl
> Interesting. Hetzner is officially down on anything which causes
> them trouble (benji said so himself, repeatedly), so they're
> effectively accepting of a Tor middleman, but Tor exits are
> probably going to be pretty short-lived in Hetzner space.
>
If you got your own IP space with own rip
On 02/03/2011 06:36 PM, krishna e bera wrote:
> i added seflow.it to this page
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/GoodBadISPs
I didn't even know about the page :(
Thank you for editing/posting it, I will use the info...
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On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 05:59:03PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 05:36:09PM +0100, Andrea Trentini wrote:
>
> > self suggestion: I asked hetzner if they accept a tor node, they
> > told me "yes, but you're responsible" (of course)
>
> Interesting. Hetzner is officially down
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 05:36:09PM +0100, Andrea Trentini wrote:
> self suggestion: I asked hetzner if they accept a tor node, they
> told me "yes, but you're responsible" (of course)
Interesting. Hetzner is officially down on anything which causes
them trouble (benji said so himself, repeatedly)
On 02/03/2011 04:05 PM, Marco Predicatori wrote:
> Afaik, there's no such law in Italy. Ask them which law it is.
asked, they told me to contact a lawyer (sic!)
I told them that if they are telling me that they cannot keep my
service up for some legal reason they should provide (I just asked
for
Andrea Trentini, on 02/03/2011 02:18 PM, wrote:
> Hi,
> just to let you know, I had a tor node up and running for about two
> years (http://atrent.it/atrentwiki/doku.php?id=tunneled), today my
> vps provider sent me a "cease and desist" email to tear down my
> node, I
Hi,
just to let you know, I had a tor node up and running for about two
years (http://atrent.it/atrentwiki/doku.php?id=tunneled), today my
vps provider sent me a "cease and desist" email to tear down my
node, I complied of course but I asked why.
They told me it's against italian la
This is only interesting if you are not on the Internet.
Either VPS server as a hidden service, or otherwise "Tor only" or you set
up a parallel (local ?) network.
Otherwise, you're just an ISP, no matter what kind of bread crumbs you
take as payment, and the hammer is going
smf/index.php?topic=1905.0
>
> - quote -
> Hello bitcoiners,
>
> I'm investigating if here is a demand for anonymous VPS (virtual
> private servers) service. I have multicore beast server lying around,
> many years experiences with linux administration and also exper
From
http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1905.0
- quote -
Hello bitcoiners,
I'm investigating if here is a demand for anonymous VPS (virtual
private servers) service. I have multicore beast server lying around,
many years experiences with linux administration and also experi
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 04:16:38 +0800 DC top-posted:
>it's up and running now. i followed this
>https://www.torproject.org/docs/rpms.html.en
>but my problem is it never got the "EXIT" status.
>what could be the problem? i used the same torrc config at home and my
>home node read as both VALID and
jacking warning.
On 4/5/10, Roger Dingledine wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 01:15:52PM +0200, Gitano wrote:
>> DC wrote:
>>
>> > to start learning and trying it myself i will get a cheap vps to start
>> > with.
>> > what's the os version specifical
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:34:24 +0800 DC wrote:
>thanks for the replies, that's totally true it's certain that they
>will give me that "bait and switch" treatment. the reason im getting
>that cheap vps is some sort of a learning environment. im totally
>sta
thanks for the replies, that's totally true it's certain that they
will give me that "bait and switch" treatment. the reason im getting
that cheap vps is some sort of a learning environment. im totally
starting from scratch here, knowing nothing from vps to unix. so im
not los
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 01:15:52PM +0200, Gitano wrote:
> DC wrote:
>
> > to start learning and trying it myself i will get a cheap vps to start with.
> > what's the os version specifically that works best with Tor?
>
> I prefer Ubuntu-server, but Debian is as si
DC wrote:
> to start learning and trying it myself i will get a cheap vps to start with.
> what's the os version specifically that works best with Tor?
I prefer Ubuntu-server, but Debian is as simple.
Please have a look at: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian
But beware - on a vps
to start learning and trying it myself i will get a cheap vps to start with.
what's the os version specifically that works best with Tor?
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good day, im an avid user and serious advocate of this community for
years now but im totally not technically inclined.
lately im trying to run a node at my place but apparently my isp
connection is not that stable enough so i thought of getting a vps
from a hosting provider.
could anyone from the
- Original Message
> From: Matthew McCabe
> To: or-talk@freehaven.net
> Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:44:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Time Warner bad / VPS recommendations
>
> I take issue with the premise that the only course of action that ISPs have
> is
> to d
- Original Message
> From: Sebastian Lechte
> To: or-talk@freehaven.net
> Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 8:23:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Time Warner bad / VPS recommendations
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> Please do not give money to node operators. This will complicate
Hi!
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Scott Bennett wrote:
> Please go read the tor man page again. Specifically, you should reread
> the material on the ExitPolicy statement in the torrc file. The proper way
> to prevent exits on port 80 is to use an ExitPolicy that rejects port 80 for
> whatev
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:14:29PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> On Thursday 05 February 2009 16:03:52 Mitar wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
> > > Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
> > > bandwith (like me) on plenty of
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:14:29 -0500 Praedor Atrebates
wrote:
>On Thursday 05 February 2009 16:03:52 Mitar wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
>> > Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
>> > bandwith (like me) on plenty of computer
On Thursday 05 February 2009 16:03:52 Mitar wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
> > Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
> > bandwith (like me) on plenty of computers rather than pay together few big
> > centralized servers (like you of
I agree that starting a business may be problematic but I am not sure
this would be true for a non-profit in the US.
Does anyone know if US non-profits are required to log connection
information? I help several businesses (including a large company) and
non-profits maintain their websites, ne
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 08:23:13AM +0100, Sebastian Lechte wrote:
> Please do not give money to node operators. This will complicate matters
According to reading the tea leaves in certain laws passed e.g. in
Germany lately an anonymizing service would be required to log the
connection info if op
Hi everyone,
Please do not give money to node operators. This will complicate matters
and bring in the wrong people. I support sharing costs for a node in a
small group of people, but don't make it a way to receive money from
anyone - there will be people who abuse it.
It might also have legal i
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 02:07 +0100, Mitar wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
> > Why put one node online when you could put hundreds online, by creating
> > enough incentive to balance the potential risk of ISP complaints?
>
> I do not see those two ideas excluding
Hi!
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
> Why put one node online when you could put hundreds online, by creating
> enough incentive to balance the potential risk of ISP complaints?
I do not see those two ideas excluding each other. :-)
So yes, such field in metadata + support for
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 00:29 +0100, Mitar wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
> > TorProject has a paypal donations account that people (like those people
> > who cannot run a node, but wish to contribute) can send donations to.
> > Those donations, in turn, are requ
Hi!
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
> TorProject has a paypal donations account that people (like those people
> who cannot run a node, but wish to contribute) can send donations to.
> Those donations, in turn, are requested by node operators who run
> high-bandwidth, permissive
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 22:03 +0100, Mitar wrote:
> But on the other hand I am seeing many e-mails like "I would like to
> contribute to Tor but my ISP/university/mom does not allow me/has
> blocked me/does not want to hassle". So maybe those could cooperate in
> a way of putting together such nodes
Hi!
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
> Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
> bandwith (like me) on plenty of computers rather than pay together few big
> centralized servers (like you offer). Firstly, using unused bandwidth is for
> free. And it is
Hi!
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Also, you could setup an independent auditing system in which Tor "experts"
> could examine the Tor boxes or VPSs to be sure that they are not
> compromised.
But then ... who will watch the watchers?
Mitar
Hi Mitar,
firstly, my linode server is hosting for my small sites, NOT for Tor
service. But because I use only about 30-40 GB per month for my sites, I
decided to give rest to Tor network. So your calculation is faulty - I pay
nothing to give 360 GB per month for Tor ;)
Although Im big Tor fan, I
I agree that it may be a risk for one organization to own a large number
of Tor nodes. But if that organization is a non-profit and run by some
of the Tor users, developers, and operators on this list, that should
reduce the risk that the organization will willingly compromise its Tor
network.
I take issue with the premise that the only course of action that ISPs
have is to disconnect customers that generate these complaints. I know
that some ISPs simply pass on the complaints to their customers with the
expectation that the customer fix the problem. It seems to me that this
is all
On Thu, February 5, 2009 09:32, John Brooks wrote:
> Tor will not choose similar IPs.
It's not the first time I check or-talk mail before coffe, I should stop
doing this :-P
However, you're right, I also recall to read it somewhere, I'll better
check again the documentation.
ciao
--
Marco Bonett
No. Aside from the Family option (which aims to help prevent multiple nodes
operated by the same person or group from being used in a circuit, with
their cooperation), Tor will not choose similar IPs. Three IPs at the same
provider would probably be pretty similar (same /24 or /16), and tor would
a
On Wed, February 4, 2009 23:37, Scott Bennett wrote:
> Is it possible to get a three-hop circuit using relays that are ostensibly
> being operated by different individuals, but which are all running on the
> same physical machine because the operators all subscribe to the same
> company's hosting s
It's a risk regarding a large number of nodes being run by a single
entity. The upside to such a business model though would be if they
donated a percentage of profits to the Tor foundation. If they get
pummeled by C&D letters and eventually shut down, at least TOR can keep
the money for future
Hi!
> You raise important questions: how many tor relays currently listed
> in the directory are running on hardware owned by the same entity? And
> how many of those are on hardware physically located at the same site?
And if they are using virtual servers within the same ISP...
> Is it possi
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:37:05PM -0500, tor-opera...@sky-haven.net wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, I work at a (different) hosting provider. We aren't
>> particularly interested in being defenders of people's rights. If
>> someone cost us money or time in proportions we find to
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:40:11 +0100 Mitar wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Matthew McCabe wrote:
>> Wow, that is a very cool idea. This could even be turned into a non-profit
>> organization... We could take donations to support running Tor exit nodes
>> which, in turn, supports every
Hi!
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Wow, that is a very cool idea. This could even be turned into a non-profit
> organization... We could take donations to support running Tor exit nodes
> which, in turn, supports everyone's ability to use the Internet without fear
> of
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:37:05PM -0500, tor-opera...@sky-haven.net wrote:
> Incidentally, I work at a (different) hosting provider. We aren't
> particularly interested in being defenders of people's rights. If
> someone cost us money or time in proportions we find to be excessive, we
> assert
Wow, that is a very cool idea. This could even be turned into a
non-profit organization... We could take donations to support running
Tor exit nodes which, in turn, supports everyone's ability to use the
Internet without fear of censorship, harassment, and authoritarian (or
up-and-coming auth
Scott Bennett wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:42:01 -0600 Matthew McCabe
> wrote:
>> So Time Warner Cable finally gave me an ultimatum that either I stop
>> running Tor or they will shut off my service. This was after 3 DMCA and
>> 2 general abuse/hacking complaints. Note that Time Warner
Hi!
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, slush wrote:
> Yes, Im using linode.com, plan "Linode 720". Tor runs without any problem
> (but my bandwidth is only about 150kB/s; there are another network services
> too).
Interesting. That is $40/month with 400 GB limit. I have a collocation
for around 110
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 10:23:50 Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Yup, I restricted my exit node policy in hopes that it would limit
> torrent traffic and it seemed to work. However, the last "hacking"
> complaint was the result of someone making excessive or inappropriate
> postings on a newsgrou
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 09:23:50AM -0600, Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Yup, I restricted my exit node policy in hopes that it would limit
> torrent traffic and it seemed to work. However, the last "hacking"
> complaint was the result of someone making excessive or inappropriate
> postings on a newsg
Yup, I restricted my exit node policy in hopes that it would limit
torrent traffic and it seemed to work. However, the last "hacking"
complaint was the result of someone making excessive or inappropriate
postings on a newsgroup or website. So while the torrent/DMCA
complaints stopped, the "ha
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:17:47 +0100 Eugen Leitl wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Thomas Hluchnik wrote:
>> Zitat von Xinwen Fu :
>>
>> > The problem is: was the violation done through Tor? A bot may do the same
>> > thing. Time to scan your computer?:) Maybe you can run Tor as
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Thomas Hluchnik wrote:
> Zitat von Xinwen Fu :
>
> > The problem is: was the violation done through Tor? A bot may do the same
> > thing. Time to scan your computer?:) Maybe you can run Tor as an entry or a
> > middle node, not an exit node.
> >
> > Cheers
es anyone run Tor on a VPS? If so, which company and plan do you use?
> Have you gotten any flack for running a Tor exit node?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
As of writing, 561 of 1250 (44.88%) active routers are flagged as exit. That
is by number of routers, not by bandwidth, but the point stands regardless.
Exits are absolutely important, and in an ideal world everything would be
exit, but entry/middle nodes are still extremely useful.
- John Brooks
Zitat von Xinwen Fu :
> The problem is: was the violation done through Tor? A bot may do the same
> thing. Time to scan your computer?:) Maybe you can run Tor as an entry or a
> middle node, not an exit node.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Xinwen Fu
Yes, and one pertty nice day we have 1 middlemen and no ex
his tech and TWC
> believe that the user of their service is responsible for any of these
> violations. Thus, it seems that they may try to disconnect my service based
> upon these 5 complaints.
>
> Again, I would rather setup Tor on a VPS if anyone has a recommendation for
>
ch and TWC believe that the user of their service is
responsible for any of these violations. Thus, it seems that they may
try to disconnect my service based upon these 5 complaints.
Again, I would rather setup Tor on a VPS if anyone has a recommendation
for a company and hosting plan!
Thanks,
M
?
>at a couple virtual hosting companies such as vpslink and slicehost.
>Some of their cheaper plans seem like they would be sufficient for
>running a Tor exit node. Does anyone run Tor on a VPS? If so, which
>company and plan do you use? Have you got
Two very important factors to keep in mind for a tor node on a VPS are
memory and FD limits. A lot of VPS software will limit the number of sockets
available to each guest, which is usually a limit tor will run into quickly.
I run my 300 KB/s node with a limit of 8192 sockets, and it usually has
heir cheaper plans seem like they would be sufficient for
running a Tor exit node. Does anyone run Tor on a VPS? If so, which
company and plan do you use? Have you gotten any flack for running a
Tor exit node?
Thanks,
Matt
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