Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-03 Thread Bill Pass
Ok. Since we are telling old stories around the campfire and at the risk of extending this thread even more, here are my 2bit stories :) Absolutely positively you must have RI on any tranactional system critial to your bussiness. If someone recommends otherwise, politely disagree then run if

Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Stephane Faroult
Lisa R. Clary wrote: Hi all, I sort of come from an old school where you should normalize data where you can (typically 3rd or 2nd) so that you get the efficiency of normalization but not the difficulty of data extraction. Additionally, I always thought that putting RI on tables was

RE: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread johanna . doran
Title: RE: Database Normalization-Outdated? I Admin'ed a vendor app that was built similar to this (and the UI was in Designer - made me not think kindly of Oracle duh-velopment environments). Except that they had more tables to contain all the CODES. I always referred to this nightmare

RE: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Lisa R. Clary
Just wanted to extend my appreciation for all of your responses to this topic. I liked the fact that even though overall, it was obvious old school still holds, that many of you were able to show that it could be advantageous in certain circumstances (not ours). This will make it much easier to

RE: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Koivu, Lisa
PROTECTED]@SUNGARD On Behalf Of Stephane Faroult [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Database Normalization-Outdated? Lisa R. Clary wrote: Hi all, I sort of come from an old school where you

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2002-05-01 Thread Thomas Day
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2002-05-01 Thread Shaibal Talukder
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Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Ruth Gramolini
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RE: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Seefelt, Beth
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RE: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
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RE: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Wong, Bing
triggers. My opinion on this - This is more of a preference than to do with any technicality. I am for RI. Shaibal From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Database Normalization-Outdated? Date: Wed, 01 May 2002

Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Jared . Still
:Database Normalization-Outdated? Hi all, I sort of come from an old school where you should normalize data where you can (typically 3rd or 2nd) so that you get the efficiency of normalization but not the difficulty of data extraction. Additionally, I always thought that putting RI

Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-05-01 Thread Tim Gorman
I would be *extremely* interested in knowing the author's name. Especially if it's a he and his initials are DK... Back in 1992-93, I was working for Oracle and was asked to assist a company who had done exactly what you suggested in this email thread -- data-pair combinations and metadata

Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-04-30 Thread Lisa R. Clary
Hi all, I sort of come from an old school where you should normalize data where you can (typically 3rd or 2nd) so that you get the efficiency of normalization but not the difficulty of data extraction. Additionally, I always thought that putting RI on tables was fairly important (prevention of

Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-04-30 Thread Ray Gordon
PROTECTED] To : Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject : Database Normalization-Outdated? Date : Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:48:37 -0800 Hi all, I sort of come from an old school where you should normalize data where you can (typically 3rd or 2nd) so that you get the efficiency

RE: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-04-30 Thread STEVE OLLIG
Lisa - not sure i follow the specific example, but i say RI is still a wonderful feature of an RDBMS and should not be thrown out. Many package apps have not implemented RI because they run on many RDBMS platforms, and each handles RI differently. So put the RI in the app they say - right! Not

Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-04-30 Thread Charlie Mengler
If this concept is so simple (simplistic?), why does it take a whole book to elaborate on it? Lisa R. Clary wrote: [...snip...] Recently, a consultant who has published a book about SQL is now telling me that there is a better model--that of value pair combinations (e.g. variable, value) to

Re: Database Normalization-Outdated?

2002-04-30 Thread Jared . Still
] 04/30/2002 12:48 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Database Normalization-Outdated? Hi all, I sort of come from an old school where you should normalize data where you can (typically 3rd