RE: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: File Restoration/Recovery Schema level export can fix the *thinking* Raj - Rajendra dot Jamadagni at espn dot com Any views expressed here are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an

RE: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Pete Sharman
What can I say? Shoot the danged developer! No, no, no, no, no. The backup is as much use as the proverbial on a bull. Period. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Ora

Re: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Darrell Landrum
Gary, I second this user's comments. Is it possible to get a valid backup while the database is up? Yes, it is but it is just plain silly (at the very least), to plan to do so. Whether or not this backup is good depends on no activity and if there's no activity, why not just shut it down and

RE: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Gary - send the developer to backup and recovery school. he is wrong. as Rachel said, *maybe* it will work once. but as a DBA, you personally can *never* support this in a real environment. you will not be able to guarantee the same results every time. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professio

Re: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Babu Nagarajan
you are right and the developer is not. cold backups taken with the db open are worthless. you cannot use them to open it back to a consistent state babu - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:44 AM > All... > >

RE: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Spears, Brian
Chances are excellent, that you/oracle would not be able to recover. Oracle support might bring the super tool with the swat expert for 5000 bucks an hour...and then it might still be a mess. They would love you doing this stuff.. Brian -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003

Re[2]:File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread dgoulet
Gary, I had a similar "engineer" managed DB around here for a while. The problem was that 'someone' deleted a couple of the datafiles by 'mistake'. (Ever see that CDW commercial concerning the "full file server"?) Well I got asked the same question to which I had a very good laugh & told the

Re: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Ray Stell
As with all backup and recovery plans, you should test, document, and perhaps automate the process, with particular emphasis on the recovery. What your associate describes sounds like an very expensive B&R plan. On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 07:44:01AM -0800, Gary Chambers wrote: > All... > > A

Re: File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Rachel Carmichael
no no no no no no If he is REALLY lucky, and no one is using the database at the instant he does all the copies (and I mean the OS as well), then MAYBE, POSSIBLY, if the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny are present and bless the copy, he might have a valid backup. But I wouldn't bet my job on it. H

File Restoration/Recovery

2003-03-14 Thread Gary Chambers
All... A developer working on a Solaris 2.6 server running Oracle 7.3.4 desires a nightly backup (by simply copying them to a backup directory) of the datafiles of an active instance. I explain that it will be a waste of tape because the files will be corrupt and useless. He counters, "As long a